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08-16-2002, 05:49 PM #1New Member
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Attention ALL Anti-Spammers. Need your Help
Hello,
I am posting this message because I need some help from all the anti-spammers out there.
Recently my 14 year old son received a message which contained a link to the website www.halfpricecigs.com, his email account is with hotmail and has all sorts of filters in it.
The message still reached his inbox and smart ass that he is, he successfully bought a carton of Cigarettes online using my ID,
Needless to say he has gotten what he deserved, I am pursuing legal action against spammers and my attorney informs me I need 10,00 Domain names or contat information of website owners who spam to promote theie sites , I have already gotten a list of over 900 from Spam Cop and Spamhaus, I need the help of all anti spammers to email me any domain name that is Included in spam that they receive, please do not email me IP addressess as that does not help, I need spammers Domains preferably active websites, all the domains submitted will be verified with over 5 anti spam agencies before they will be submitted to my attorney.
You can email me the list at suethespammer@yahoo.com
I would greatly apprecite it if you could provide me with any information with jeopardizing you position or reputation , either domain names or valid email addressess of know spammers
Please help
Thank you
John Nev
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08-16-2002, 08:19 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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To be honest, this is the Internet. There are a lot of lamers out there, and if you don't want your son to see it all, then he shouldn't have access. Simple as that.
I don't promote any form of spamming, but there are far too many spammers to stop them all. 70% of the Internet is porn.
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08-16-2002, 08:32 PM #3WHT Addict
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This post is a joke right? I'm sorry to break it to you but there are a LOT of people that not only hate spam but have tried to eliminate it from the Internet. And I can you that it just isn't going to happen.
My first suggestion would be to spend money for your email account. Hotmail is a haven for spam...probably ALMOST as bad as AOL. Any free service is probably going to sell your info to scumbags.
I'd be more worried about your son than the spammers at this point
Good LuckWhen you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at
you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".
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08-16-2002, 09:08 PM #4Eternal Member
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Is your attorney retained on an hourly basis by any chance, and has insisted on verifying all 10,000 cases...
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08-16-2002, 09:51 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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pfffffffft... leave it alone! like you can do anything!
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08-16-2002, 09:58 PM #6Registered User
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It is nice that you want to take action, but it is hardly going to do anything for you. Here are my suggestions if you really want your child to be safe from spam...
Use one of these mail servers:
1) MyRealBox.com = not a beautiful interface, but you'll find you hardly EVER receive spam (I haven't received a piece)
2) YahooMail.com = they are pretty good about spam, and have a better interface, however I believe spam just goes to the bulk mail folder, which doesn't delete.
Tell your son to be careful where he gives his email address out ... if he signs up for multitudes of mailing lists, contests, whatever, then you woun't prevent spam too well. I really recommend myrealbox, you'll find you hardly receive any spam...
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08-16-2002, 10:01 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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I have to agree that if you don't want spam, you shouldn't use a hotmail email account. It's been my experience that ou will automatically get over 5 spams within a minute of creating an account.
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08-16-2002, 10:16 PM #8Web Hosting Guru
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LOL! I just see this as an ad for www.halfpricecigs.com....I bet SueTheSpam OWNS that site!
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08-16-2002, 10:55 PM #9Junior Guru
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You should read the most recent issue of Newsweek first.
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08-16-2002, 11:12 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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LOL hotmail is far worse then aol.. ive had both sadly.... used both for email...please dont laugh...but now that i have my own domain name and email address and all that other stuff again, spam = no more!!!!
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08-17-2002, 02:57 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by mhale
LOL! I just see this as an ad for www.halfpricecigs.com....I bet SueTheSpam OWNS that site!
Otherwise why this statement?
. . . please do not email me IP addressess as that does not help, I need spammers Domains preferably active websites, . .
Nice try, but "No Dice."DANG DANG! DANG!!™
I know ***** ripped off everybody else, but they wouldn't do it to me.
"When you use bottom feed for bait, you are only going to catch bottom feeders."
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08-17-2002, 03:33 AM #12ex-Aussie
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heh, so I wasn't the only one who thought this thread was a bit suspect
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08-17-2002, 03:44 AM #13Disabled
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Re: Attention ALL Anti-Spammers. Need your Help
You are asking for the impossible.
Check out:
http://www.spamhaus.org/
http://law.spamcon.org/
http://www.spews.org/
http://www.mailabuse.org
You attourney gave you bad advice. You should be happy that the company isn't suing you for allowing your stupid son to access the net wihtout parental supervision.
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08-17-2002, 04:03 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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Assuming this isn't what it seems (a rather mild scam to get pageviews), I hope whatever lawyer you got is cutting you a break on the hourly fee, because that sort of demand is ridiculous coming from anyone who knows anything about spam. Go read news.admin.net-abuse.sightings if you want all the spam you can eat. If I were of a sadistic nature, I'd suggest that you paste this amusing item in news.admin.net-abuse.email....
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08-17-2002, 05:04 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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My ISP's email account gets no spam whatsoever and it's Blueyonder although there email never works well hardly works anyway.
You know schools in Edinburgh give there students Hotmail accounts instead of the schools own email address/account (if any).
Ever since i submitted with that worldsubmitter and stupidly put my email account down for my site i get like 10 Spam emails a day but none of them are porno ones but still very annoying.Professor of crime at St Andrews university.
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08-17-2002, 10:52 AM #16WHT Addict
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Thats why my first question was "this is a joke right"? I didn't go to the site for half price cigarettes. I tend to stay away from links associated with foolish posts for that reason. That way if this IS a cheap way to get hits I will not have contributed.
When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at
you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".
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08-17-2002, 11:05 AM #17Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by sadistikal
Thats why my first question was "this is a joke right"? I didn't go to the site for half price cigarettes. I tend to stay away from links associated with foolish posts for that reason. That way if this IS a cheap way to get hits I will not have contributed.Clustered Hosting With Continuous Data Protection (CDP)
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08-17-2002, 11:30 AM #18Web Hosting Master
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Re: Attention ALL Anti-Spammers. Need your Help
Originally posted by SueTheSpam
... I am pursuing legal action against spammers ...
Haha... I'd love to see the transcript of that court hearing; if the judge doesn't throw it out first.
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08-17-2002, 01:39 PM #19New Member
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This isn't a any trick to get views to halfpricecigs.com. I neither own the site or know the owner on any level but the info I get from the whois lookup
Domain Name: HALFPRICECIGS.COM
Registrar: ONLINENIC, INC.
Whois Server: whois.OnlineNIC.com
Referral URL: http://www.OnlineNIC.com
Name Server: NS1.IPOWERWEB.NET
Name Server: NS2.IPOWERWEB.NET
Updated Date: 12-may-2002
>>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:53:15 EDT <<<
The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.
Found InterNIC referral to whois.OnlineNIC.com.
The Data in OnlineNIC's WHOIS database is provided by OnlineNIC
for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining
information about or related to a domain name registration record.
OnlineNIC does not guarantee its accuracy. By starting a WHOIS
query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful
purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data
to:
(1)allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
unsolicited,commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail(spam).
(2)enable high volume,automated, electronic processes that apply
to OnlineNIC Inc.(or its systems).
OnlineNIC reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.
By starting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.
Registrant:
Joseph Bilcze jbilcze@neo.rr.com (330) 823-4314
8678 Byrd Ave. NE
Alliance,OH,US 44601-9411
Domain Name:halfpricecigs.com
Record last updated at 2002-05-13 07:50:37
Record created on 2002/5/13
Record expired on 2003/5/13
Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.ipowerweb.net 66.33.90.15
ns2.ipowerweb.net 12.129.206.200
Administrator:
Joseph Bilcze jbilcze@neo.rr.com (330) 823-4314
8678 Byrd Ave. NE
Alliance,OH,US 44601-9411
Technical Contactor:
Domain Manager admin@ipowerweb.com 310-314-1608
iPowerWeb, Inc
3435 Ocean Park Blvd. Suite 112-52
Santa Monica,CA,United States 90405
Billing Contactor:
Joseph Bilcze jbilcze@neo.rr.com (330) 823-4314
8678 Byrd Ave. NE
Alliance,OH,US 44601-9411
I have already complained to IPOWERWEB.NET but get no response and the site still is on, if you can turn this site down be my guests.
Thanks a lot for your help guys,
John
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08-17-2002, 01:48 PM #20WHT Addict
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I'm pretty lost now. What relevance does the domain information have here now? It proves nothing as far as your relationship, if any, with the owner of the site and it adds nothing to discussion. Just odd.
When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at
you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".
-- Linus Torvalds
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08-17-2002, 01:57 PM #21Junior Guru Wannabe
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Mabe I am a bit stupid or something but how on earth can you sue 10,000 people with just knowing there domain... Mabe its USA law but usally you need proof before you can start sueing people..... Why not just sue the people that spammed your mail box if you realy want to make a point of it... I just can't see how you could posibly sue all those people and why on earth your lawyer needs 10,000 active domain names it's just not making sence to me mabe someone else could explain that to me.
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08-17-2002, 02:05 PM #22WHT Addict
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I'll go one better. How about worry more that your son is stealing your ID to buy cigarettes instead of worrying about spam. Thats really the best way to attack this problem. Screw the spam...it will never go away.
When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at
you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".
-- Linus Torvalds
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08-17-2002, 02:12 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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You know....you can almost sue anyone for anything in the US. Of course, some things are going to the extreme.
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08-17-2002, 02:13 PM #24Newbie
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This post is in fact very odd since i can't believe that a site with 1500 visitors (counter) is a spammer.
Our company has a "spam database" and this site is NOT listed there etc.
Anyway... if your son has placed an order i would try to keep my creditcards / checks etc. secure.
If your son has access to your cc# or if you give him any chance to order something i have to say that it is your fault..
I hate spam too and we have a lot of fights with spammers but keep in mind that you are responsible if your son can order something without that you notice it...
Barbara Moore