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    Steadfast HOSTING is NOT Steadfast NETWORKS [split from outages thread]

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt.G View Post
    Oh dear... I hope everyone did get injured and wish you all best of luck with getting everything backup.
    It's OK!

    It's only steadFAST Hosting and not the real Steadfast Networks! (I'm surprised Karl hasn't sicked his lawyers on these guys yet, but I suppose his hands are tied as only Steadfast Networks is trademarked).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat H View Post
    It's OK!

    It's only steadFAST Hosting and not the real Steadfast Networks! (I'm surprised Karl hasn't sicked his lawyers on these guys yet, but I suppose his hands are tied as only Steadfast Networks is trademarked).
    Though it is definitely an attempt to confuse the consumer and I have contacted my lawyers, as they have ignored the direct emails I have sent them regarding the matter.

    For trademark infringement it doesn't need to be an exact copy. If they are trying to benefit from using a similar mark to confuse consumers, which I feel is definitely the case here, that is trademark infringement.

    As a note, what data center are you in that had the fire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlZimmer View Post
    Though it is definitely an attempt to confuse the consumer and I have contacted my lawyers, as they have ignored the direct emails I have sent them regarding the matter.

    For trademark infringement it doesn't need to be an exact copy. If they are trying to benefit from using a similar mark to confuse consumers, which I feel is definitely the case here, that is trademark infringement.
    <--- One confused consumer!

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    I thought Steadfast Network owns Steadfast Hosting or some sort of spin off...

    <===Confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by feomateo View Post
    I thought Steadfast Network owns Steadfast Hosting or some sort of spin off...

    <===Confused
    I thought the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inogenius View Post
    <--- One confused consumer!
    ++One_confused_consumer

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    Looks like some company is having a Identity Crisis

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    Quote Originally Posted by inogenius View Post
    <--- One confused consumer!
    Ditto! I thought it was Karl Z's outfit that was struck, but then I realized that all my services are up.

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    wow.... I came looking at this thinking it was Karl's place.

    Someone needs to put the smack on these guys and their name

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    I must say I was confused and thought this was Karl too.

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    Well, I would think this thread is enough evidence of consumer confusion caused by the trademark infringement... :-)

    The timing is interesting though, as it was earlier this week I sent the notices regarding the trademark infringement and now they're down. If it is down for that reason I would have appreciated some contact, as it is always good to have evidence of defending a trademark, instead of this "fire" story.

    I guess it could have also been taken down for a DMCA violation as I had also informed 1and1 that steadFAST Hosting was copying their terms of service word for word, just doing a find and replace for their name. Seems the parent company, Paintball Hosting, is doing the same: https://paintballhosting.com/tos.html vs. http://order.1and1.com/xml/order/Gtc

    Definitely a classy organization...
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    First, karl has to prove the intent was to defame his users. Which it wasnt and there is no ill intent.

    Second, A search of the State of Indiana's Business Database shows nothing close to the business name. So karl would again have to prove that it wasnt done.

    Third, do you realize how many companies there are in the world that have names starting with the same word, or sound nearly the same, but still function just fine. The users seem to know the difference, I dont see a problem here.

    Again, stop hijacking my thread. Your comments are not welcome here. If you dont like how its ran, then please take your negative attitudes elsewhere.

    Mods, please close this topic. Its pretty clear, its in violation.
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    If there is a visible difference between your two companies, then why did you post this in your signature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eclouds View Post
    If there is a visible difference between your two companies, then why did you post this in your signature?
    Thats not in my signature, thats how i signed the end of a post pointing OUT the difference. Ya know, you folks are the ONLY ones that have complained. I dont see how anyone could be confused, considering just one glance at the website shows very distint differences.

    Again, stop hijacking the thread. its in violation of the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbhosting View Post
    Third, do you realize how many companies there are in the world that have names starting with the same word, or sound nearly the same, but still function just fine. The users seem to know the difference, I dont see a problem here.
    Doesn't matter.

    Like Karl said, you are confusing the consumer. When people think of anything to do with Hosting and Steadfast, they think of Steadfast Networks. Just Google "Steadfast Hosting" and look who's the first result: Steadfast Networks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbhosting View Post
    Thats not in my signature, thats how i signed the end of a post pointing OUT the difference. Ya know, you folks are the ONLY ones that have complained. I dont see how anyone could be confused, considering just one glance at the website shows very distint differences.
    We "folks" are the only one's that have complained, because you started a thread on a public forum with a title that confused a lot of people into thinking Steadfast Networks experienced a fire.

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    You calling yourself steadFAST hosting is like a new shoebrand opening up and calling themselves NikKe or Reebock. I'm not sure what type of a legal team you have, but I'd recommend to hire a more capable one.

    I have nothing against you, I'm just trying to point out that if you do not comply, you will have legal problems from the owner of the Steadfast trademark i.e. Steadfast Networks. Companies have been sued for crazier trademark infringements in the past.

    EDIT: Why do you keep bringing up "ill intent"? It's still an infringement, regardless of what your intentions were when you opened up. They are irrelevant. And you should update everyone about that "fire" since apparently there wasn't one...
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    This could also be seen as unfair competition in the eyes of our dear lady justice.
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    Between copying another companies TOS and using a VERY similar name to a well established and known company I'm very weary of this shady operation you seem to be running. And stop telling people not to post here. If the moderators see fit to close the topic or warn members then they will. Thats not your place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbhosting View Post
    First, karl has to prove the intent was to defame his users. Which it wasnt and there is no ill intent.

    Second, A search of the State of Indiana's Business Database shows nothing close to the business name. So karl would again have to prove that it wasnt done.

    Third, do you realize how many companies there are in the world that have names starting with the same word, or sound nearly the same, but still function just fine. The users seem to know the difference, I dont see a problem here.
    This issue has been resolved with a phone conversation and I have no ill feeling toward you. I am just going to make some clarifications for everyone's reference.

    No, I do not have to prove intent. All that needs to be shown is consumer confusion and/or negative business impact of the similar name.

    What the state of Indiana says has nothing to do with registered federal trademarks. Each state registers businesses on a state-by-state basis, which usually makes sense since most businesses are small and operate in a limited geographic area. That is then the purpose of having federal trademark laws. In the future, you should check the state database as well as the trademark database at the US Patent and Trademark office.

    Yes, companies can have the same first word, which is why we have coexisted with Steadfast Bridges, Steadfast Companies, etc. The issue is when they are in the same industry and going for the same customer segment. There would be no confusion between two companies offering completely different products/service, but there is confusion when they are in the same industry, and especially when they both advertise on WHT.
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    This reminds me of when AussieBob started AussieHost.com when there was already a AussieHosts.com. I'm afraid to say that Karl can't do anything about it unless he created something like "SteadfastNetworkz".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy Man View Post
    This reminds me of when AussieBob started AussieHost.com when there was already a AussieHosts.com. I'm afraid to say that Karl can't do anything about it unless he created something like "SteadfastNetworkz".
    Yes, I could do something about it, there are MANY, MANY, examples of such. One of the larger examples is that Toys 'r Us simply had a trademark on that name, but have had rulings upheld that others using just the "r Us" are infringing on their trademark.

    Also, AussieHost and AussieHosts are both Australian companies, I do not see how US trademark law would apply to them in the first place... That is then also why I can't do anything about THIS Steadfast Hosting - http://www.steadfasthosting.com.au/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy Man View Post
    This reminds me of when AussieBob started AussieHost.com when there was already a AussieHosts.com. I'm afraid to say that Karl can't do anything about it unless he created something like "SteadfastNetworkz".
    U.S. trademark law != Australian trademark law.
    ~ But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

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    The offender website steadfasthosting.net isn't working, am I the only one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjthayer View Post
    U.S. trademark law != Australian trademark law.
    Are you Australian or is knowledgable in Australian law? (curious)

    @KarlZimmerman How did you resolve it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik View Post
    Are you Australian or is knowledgable in Australian law? (curious)

    @KarlZimmerman How did you resolve it?
    It was agreed that they would change the name. It was a productive and professional phone call. The issue appears to be resolved and I have no ill will towards the company, they simply seem to have been slightly misinformed, and that can happen to anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlZimmer View Post
    It was agreed that they would change the name. It was a productive and professional phone call. The issue appears to be resolved and I have no ill will towards the company, they simply seem to have been slightly misinformed, and that can happen to anyone.
    Nicely done.

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