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    Exclamation Apology to Native Americans

    Senate apologizes to Native Americans for historical mistreatment.
    Video here.

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    Amazed its taken this long.
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    They should go the next step and put one in office.

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    Freaking ridiculous. Absolute waste of time. Way to get something real important accomplished, boys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw Web Master View Post
    They should go the next step and put one in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebyp2 View Post
    Well, better one gets there on merit.
    Both will do nice.

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    Interesting. The Australian Government just apologized to the Indigenous Australians a few weeks back for so called miss treatment in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inogenius View Post
    Freaking ridiculous. Absolute waste of time. Way to get something real important accomplished, boys!
    You should see how much time they're pissing away on Major League Baseball.
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    As the Indian guy said in the video... those are empty words on paper...

    In other words he is saying:

    show me the money!!!!


    Guess I'll wait for Indians and US gov't to apologize for slavery.

    The gov't can apologize for additional stuff as well, like segregation, KKK, welfare, crack cocain, killing of Kennedy/MLK, and for bad train service from Philly to New York.

    While they are at it, reparations for parachute pants should be in order. Can't believe I was forced to live through that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvaHost View Post
    Interesting. The Australian Government just apologized to the Indigenous Australians a few weeks back for so called miss treatment in history.
    Which the only outcome to that has been a flood of law suits put together by blood thirsty law firms working on 30%.
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    I think the Native Americans should apologize to Neanderthal Man.

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    WHY!?!?!?!?

    Our economy is progressing at .06% (almost a complete stop) and were in the biggest debt (EVER)... why on earth is senate wasting this time to apologize to the indians? We need to ah well for starts GET OUR ECONOMY GOING. Maybe you know, get outta debt, credit crisis, housing problems and well you know a few more people ould use health care. This is crazy absolute stupid, waste of resources. Pisses me off!
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    There were no "Indians". Just a bunch of nomadic savages who had no pan-tribal concept of alliance. They were the equivalent of waring street gangs, minus the civility.

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    OK...

    Quote Originally Posted by page-zone View Post
    There were no "Indians". Just a bunch of nomadic savages who had no pan-tribal concept of alliance. They were the equivalent of waring street gangs, minus the civility.
    Tats pushing it... i disagree with what i did, but the native americas were better then street gangs. I HATE street gangs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aqns_hosting View Post
    I HATE street gangs...
    Then you would've hated the "Indians".

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    Quote Originally Posted by page-zone View Post
    They were the equivalent of waring street gangs, minus the civility.
    Sounds a lot like the world's countries at any given time in history.

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    You sure?

    Quote Originally Posted by page-zone View Post
    Then you would've hated the "Indians".
    Now you really think the indians are that bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aqns_hosting View Post
    Now you really think the indians are that bad?
    Not now. Thanks to us they have reformed.

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    You kidding me?

    Quote Originally Posted by page-zone View Post
    Not now. Thanks to us they have reformed.
    Maybe were you live, were i live 90% are bums!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aqns_hosting View Post
    Our economy is progressing at .06% (almost a complete stop) and were in the biggest debt (EVER)... why on earth is senate wasting this time to apologize to the indians? We need to ah well for starts GET OUR ECONOMY GOING. Maybe you know, get outta debt, credit crisis, housing problems and well you know a few more people ould use health care. This is crazy absolute stupid, waste of resources. Pisses me off!
    The technical term for this is politicians picking the low hanging fruit, because they can't reach the fruit higher up in the tree, that fruit being the issues you mentioned.
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    we need a new administration... oh wait nvm, im moving to England anyways lol
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    we need a new administration... oh wait nvm, im moving to England anyways lol
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    I can not believe this, as usual. We STOLE THEIR LAND. We had no rights to this land, we raped, pillaged and took what we wanted from the Native Americans.

    page-zone, were you alive when we took over America? Maybe, from some of the views you have, you certainly aren't living in this century, but I digress...
    You have NO IDEA what happened back then, what we do know of is horrible, inhumane and outright cruel.

    Apologies are not enough. It actually hurts my heart to know that there are still people that honestly believe that we had every right to almost wipe out their entire population. Heck, I'd turn into a drunk too!

    Someone mentioned Slavery, nope, an apology wouldn't be enough either, but it sure would be a start. For us to actually admit that what the generations before us did to HUMANS. Sickening really. I'm so glad I was not born until the 70's and didn't have to see what happened before segregation was abolished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastDallas View Post
    I can not believe this, as usual. We
    STOLE THEIR LAND.

    "We" did not steal their land. People who lived 100s of years ago did. If you look at everyone here, there has been oppression in our ancestors' history. People alive now are not being oppressed because of something that happened 100s of years ago.

    Oh, I'm terribly sorry that 200 years ago my great-great-great-great grandfather owned a slave. He didn't own YOU and *I*, personally, have never owned one...so, let's just let that go and talk about how terrible people in THE PAST treated each other.

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    Your right it was all done in the past.
    Including treaties that were signed and land that was given to the Native Americans.

    Treaties that bound the US govt to certain terms and conditions.
    Treaties that are still to this day NOT being honored by the US govt. Land rights that were granted that to this day are still being taken away from the Native Americans.

    Apology.. Keep it.. But live up to the agreements the US govt made and stop abusing the them.

    As part American Indian, PageZone I find your comments distasteful but considering the ignorance of the source of the comments come from I can ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techark View Post
    Your right it was all done in the past.
    Including treaties that were signed and land that was given to the Native Americans.

    Treaties that bound the US govt to certain terms and conditions.
    Treaties that are still to this day NOT being honored by the US govt. Land rights that were granted that to this day are still being taken away from the Native Americans.

    The US Govt has changed policies and done things that are unfair to all Americans. Look up the term "Imminent Domain".

    I completely agree that the way Native Americans were treated a hundred years ago and before that was awful. How does that affect the people that are living TODAY?

    My great grandfather fled his country with nothing more than what he could carry. He came to America and was met with extreme discrimination. Did he overcome it? Nope. He died a very sick, poor alcoholic. Does that affect me today? Nope.

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    This reminds me of that stupid resolution to condemn the Turks. Let's ignore their accomplishments and tick(rightfully - they should get ticked) them off by condemning them for something that happened long ago. Bravo.

    Seriously, and we wonder why things are they way they are. Yes in the Indians were screwed, yes some bad things happened, but yes there were things on both sides that no one is proud of. I'm sick of us waiting on things like this which means nothing, including the people they're supposed to be apologizing to.

    Political Correctness will be the exact reason this world runs into the ground. Instead of worrying about the people we're apologizing and making empty gestures for something that happened long ago when no one currently involved was even a twinkle in their parents eye.

    The economy sucks, others are gonna struggle because of it, but hey we're sorry!

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    I suggest you do some reading on your own heritage. Then you won't feel that people with a differing opinion from your grandious myth are "ignorant".

    Start here:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019...books&v=glance

    Then you can thank us for bringing your ancestors out of the stone age.

    - Guilt is such a waste of time, especially when its directed at someone who should be gratefull. Without European intervention the Indian would literaly have sticks and stones, and warfare. And that's it.
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    I am so tired of the literallness everyone seems to have to have here.

    "We" refers to Americans, long ago or today. "We" still don't honor the treaties we signed hundreds of years ago. Ever been to a true reservation (not a casino)? It's pretty sad.

    I personally don't feel guilty for what happened to the Native Americans or the African Americans, but I get so tired of people saying "well, we weren't alive then" our very own ancestors certainly had factors in both of these things, unless they came over on the boat afterwards? Doubtful. The misery imposed on the Native Americans STILL happens today.

    I know there is nothing we can do about the past, but show some respect for those who do remember it, who have stories and such passed on generation to generation about what their families went through, Native American AND African American. Let's also remember that the African Americans were still considered "scum" up until the 60's for god's sake. Disgusting.

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    On behalf of citizens of the British Empire, I would like to apologise to all citizens of America, Australia, India, Canada and all other natives of the countries who were oppressed by British Imperialism over the centuries.

    I do this because there's a cat in hell's chance of the UK Government having the guts to do it.

    Now can I get a gong or another title to add after my name. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw Web Master View Post
    On behalf of citizens of the British Empire, I would like to apologise to all citizens of America, Australia, India, Canada and all other natives of the countries who were oppressed by British Imperialism over the centuries.

    I do this because there's a cat in hell's chance of the UK Government having the guts to do it.

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    I like to stay out of heated arguments that don't take place in the designated "heated argument" location, but I'll just add:

    If you look it up, most of the land the US supposedly took from Indians (if Indians even had any concept of land ownership) was aquired by other Europeans who owned it first. Most of the land deals were brokered with Europe.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territo..._United_States

    And

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territo..._United_States
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw Web Master View Post
    On behalf of citizens of the British Empire, I would like to apologise to all citizens of America, Australia, India, Canada and all other natives of the countries who were oppressed by British Imperialism over the centuries.

    I do this because there's a cat in hell's chance of the UK Government having the guts to do it.

    Now can I get a gong or another title to add after my name. ?

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    Why the objections?
    The truth is, Indians had their lands, their property, their freedom. Then the Europeans came, took everything they liked, Indians were forced to live in reservates, much like as in zoo.
    The truth is, there was a war on Indians, sometimes evil war.
    That is the truth.
    Of course, from historical point of view, there was a little chance for Indians to live like they used before European arrival. But wait, that does not mean wars and opression.
    No, I don't support any idea of Indian tribe splitting from the US and forming its own state: no one needs desintegration. But truth must be told, even if it is unpleasant,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH-Tina View Post
    "We" did not steal their land. People who lived 100s of years ago did. If you look at everyone here, there has been oppression in our ancestors' history. People alive now are not being oppressed because of something that happened 100s of years ago.

    Oh, I'm terribly sorry that 200 years ago my great-great-great-great grandfather owned a slave. He didn't own YOU and *I*, personally, have never owned one...so, let's just let that go and talk about how terrible people in THE PAST treated each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebyp2 View Post
    Well, since he's representing Scotland and they have their own parliament, requests for cheques should be sent to Alex Salmond, C/O Holyrood House.
    lmao....our own parliament yes...but run by a complete bunch of numpties and yes men / women.

    We in Scotland are sick of subsidising the English Economy over the decades with our oil and gas revenue, yet the English still think they are more economically stable country here in the UK, when in actual fact they are nothing but leechers.

    An independent Scotland would make us one of the richest countries in Europe and that's a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equentity - Jamie View Post
    Does it hurt you for your government to say sorry, Tina? If it doesn't affect or hurt you, but it makes the natives feel a little better, than I see nothing wrong with making an apology for something done 200 years ago.
    Other than the complete intellectual dishonesty of this statement, there are many problems with doing this, but let's pick just a couple notable ones:

    • Retroactive apologies promotes an already pervasive culture of professional victimhood. Black Americans have this down to a fine art and have their own official professional race baiters, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Likewise, Native Americans have a panoply of cause celebres like Leonard Peltier, a convicted murderer who has, of course, been deemed a victim of the white man. In the inverted logic of victimized cultures, somehow even a killer amounts to a hero. Mumia Abu-Jamal and OJ Simpson are leading examples of this.
    • What good does it really do? Do Native Americans who truly feel themselves victimized by the bogeyman of the White Anglo Saxon Protestant male find an apology makes them feel better? I sincerely doubt it. I think the effect, if any, is one of smugness that comes with watching whites foolishly kowtow and succumbing to blame and guilt that is not their own. Certainly it can't make whites who knowingly misappropriate guilt feel better.

    Creating fertile ground for lawsuits that only benefit lawyers, the creation of government agencies and entitlement programs, and magnifying the swirl of professional victimhood that have already subsumed cultural attitudes toward "white people" does not really help any one. There is already a massive apparatus of entitlement programs for Native and African Americans that precludes the need for yet more.

    I've always been baffled that people feel the need to be coddled by their government, by "whites," by artificial mechanisms that exist to perpetuate a false sense of security. At the end of the day, everyone has to stand on their own and the success or failure of their lives is the result of their willingness to make it so. I refuse to believe that anyone's success or failure is up to whites or blacks or Native Americans or the government or whomever. If anything, those artificial constructs are the oppressive mechanisms that prevent people from believing in what is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by page-zone View Post
    There were no "Indians". Just a bunch of nomadic savages who had no pan-tribal concept of alliance. They were the equivalent of waring street gangs, minus the civility.
    I was going to label your statement racist, but then, the word is too easy.

    Ignorance, is another reason why we should teach more about American Indians, their heritage, political structure and customs to our children, so they won't have to grow so radical.

    We should apologize to anyone that has been oppressed in the past. Let it be African Americans, American Indians and Japanese Americans. It might mean nothing to you, but to others it means something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniakaz View Post
    Why the objections?
    The truth is, Indians had their lands, their property, their freedom. Then the Europeans came, took everything they liked, Indians were forced to live in reservates, much like as in zoo.
    The truth is, there was a war on Indians, sometimes evil war.
    That is the truth.
    Of course, from historical point of view, there was a little chance for Indians to live like they used before European arrival. But wait, that does not mean wars and opression.
    No, I don't support any idea of Indian tribe splitting from the US and forming its own state: no one needs desintegration. But truth must be told, even if it is unpleasant,.
    Can I just clarify that reservations were an American endeavour under President Andrew Jackson circa 1830.

    The Europeans were responsible for a lot, but you can't pin that one on us.

    This thread has the potential to get a little nasty. Perhaps for those that haven't read it;
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_..._United_States

    I personally have no problem with apologies for any previous misdeeds however what has to be remembered is that just like with the Germans, the following generations are independent of those acts. When you apologise you do so because you feel regret for the event, you do not assume responsibility for the action.

    Thats my two peneth worth ant any rate
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