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  1. #1

    What server and from who do I need?

    I have a website that will have around 60.000 pageviews a day. Not to much graphics, no videos/music etc..

    I do not know to much about server administration. I have previously had a server but it got hacked. It was a server with Debian OP system. Is that a bad one?

    Please help me out on this.

    The server should be in Europe and cost maximum 80EURO. I have looked at Hetzner, but I feel it could be tough for me to setup stuff there. Is it?

    Hope someone can help.
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    Why do you need a dedicated server with 60k page views per day with only a few graphics?

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    do you believe I can manage with just a shared hosting account? I also have a mySql db that the website uses.

    each page is around 70KB in size including the graphics.
    Last edited by HakonHoy; 02-08-2008 at 08:05 PM.
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    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    You should be fine with a high end shared hosting provider that specialises in application hosting or with a fully managed vps.
    Antonis Adamakos @ FuzzFree :: Fully Managed Web Hosting, Development, Online Marketing

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    If I would like to go for a dedicated server then, what type of server do I need? CPU, RAM?

    Would be great if someone could help me out. And also if anyone have a tip about a server provider that fits my needs and budget, please tell me.
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    If you worry about the software-things, take a managed server from Hetzner. The MS3000 is with 79 Euro/month in your budget.

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    For 60000 PV and 70KB each page, I think a good shared plan or a normal VPS is enough. If you don't have any admin experience, shared or VPS are generally more secure than dedicated. Even if you want to go with dedicated, you should install CentOS. However, I don't have experience with UK hosting companies, but IMO, if you want a VPS plan, you need at least 384+ ram, because the control panel will consume around 256M. You may take a look at 1and1.co.uk.
    Last edited by john8; 02-09-2008 at 11:02 AM.

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    I looked at the managed servers at Hetzner. And I'm consider taking the MS 5000 or MS 7000.

    Here are the specs:

    MS 5000:
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ Dual Core, 4 GB DDR2 RAM

    MS 7000:
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Dual Core, 6 GB DDR2 RAM

    As I do not have to pay VAT, they are both near or close to my budget..

    But how many visitors/pageviews can they manage? Each of my pages is at around 70KB per page and I have a small MySql db, around 25MB. The servers are both connected with 100 mbit.

    Is Red Hat 7.0 a secure OP? Do you believe their "Substantial Security Concept" is good enough security for my server?

    And they have an extra optional service called: "Sorglos Paket" (Carefree Package). Does anyone know what that is?

    Does anyone here have experience with their managed solutions?

    Would be delighted if anyone could give me some feedback/review on them.
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakonHoy View Post
    And they have an extra optional service called: "Sorglos Paket" (Carefree Package). Does anyone know what that is?
    When you look at the german version of their website and hover with your curser over "Sorglos Paket" there is a more detailed description of it:
    Das Sorglos Paket beinhaltet eine 24h-Überwachung Ihres Servers. Bei einem eventuellen Serverausfall wird unser Servicecenter umgehend per SMS informiert. Zudem entfällt eine mögliche Anfahrtspauschale außerhalb der RZ-Supportzeiten. Die garantierte Serveruptime beträgt 99,9 %.
    This means
    1. that Hetzner uses a 24h monitoring of your server and their servicecenter will be informed by sms if your server is offline. 2. there will be no further costs for you if hetzner has to send a technician to their datacenter out of their normal support-times.
    3. your guarantied uptime will be 99,9%


    So if you want to have a nice uptime (if your website requires this), take this carefree package.

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    thanks for your help.

    how much traffic do you believe the two different servers can manage?
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    And, is Red Hat 7.0 a secure OP? How is it compared to e.g. debian and Centos?
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    They are secure, though if someone wanted access, they could bruteforce SSH or something, get your server fully managed.

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    I think the MS5000 will have enough power for you...
    Between MS5000 and MS7000 there is no big CPU difference, only the 2 GB RAM difference are of importance. You say your DB is much smaller than the amount of RAM - so the 2 GB RAM difference will be probably unimportant.
    I would say, it depends on your budget - both servers will work very well for your needs, but 10 Euro/month difference is little money for 50% more RAM.

    Hetzner is no small hoster and they have a good reputation, so it's in their interest to offer secure managed servers ;-) (btw, it's their job to care for your server, if it's a managed one)

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    I'm looking to have it fully managed yes.. And they say Substantial Security Concept in the discription, so they should have protection against those things.
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    So with the MS7000, do you believe I could host two websites similar to the one I described?

    I'm sorry if my questions are stupid. I'm pretty new to dedicated hosting
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HakonHoy View Post
    So with the MS7000, do you believe I could host two websites similar to the one I described?

    I'm sorry if my questions are stupid. I'm pretty new to dedicated hosting

    MS7000 specs is fine. I also recommend centos5 for the OS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JelloX View Post
    They are secure, though if someone wanted access, they could bruteforce SSH or something, get your server fully managed.
    But isn't Hetzner's managed servers, fully managed?
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    "So with the MS7000, do you believe I could host two websites similar to the one I described?"

    yeah, easily, you could a great deal more than 2 if youve got a db that small and 60k hits. your only real factor is bandwidth due to each page being 70kb in size (although if images are the same on each page then theyd only be loaded ones by each person

    even if you were spitting out 70kb pages 60,000 times a day you'd onl be clocking up 120gig gig bandwidth a month, a 100bmit line with output 33000 a month.

    from what your saying id probably go with a decent shared package
    BX

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    Is Hetzner's managed servers, really fully managed servers?
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    anyone knows this? Do they take care of everything, so it would just by having a shared hosting account? they take care of security updates and so on?
    My network of web sites:
    xBox-Talk.com - Balando.com - NewRoomTalk.com
    HumorHour.com - Ordigno.com - Playword.info

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    Yes, you don't have to care about security updates of OS, PHP, etc.

    But you can contact Hetzner's Support in english and receive an english answer - so just ask them if you have specific questions, in most cases this will be better than to ask some other customers.

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