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    Hosting and link exchange

    Can you guys help me on this please? I'm not very knowledgable on the subject.

    After several comments that my links were all coming from the same IP address, I started to host with 3 different companies but I'm not sure whether I'm getting best value for money or whether I'm even looking for the right thing.

    http://cpanel-reseller-hosting.com/hostingreseller.html
    I pay $25 a month, it has WHM, awstats and seems not to be shared, by this I mean I don't get website 2,3,4 etc. dumped in with my main website as subdomains.

    http://www.hostgator.com/shared.shtml
    I pay $9.95 (or less for 2/3 years) and get free awstats but all shared

    http://midphase.com/html_files/hosting_plan.php?f=menu
    I pay $11.95 month ($120 year + 1 free domain name) but although hidden, is shared, ie all sites in with main site as subdomains, plus they charge extra for awstats for each domain and subdomain which is ridiculously expensive.

    I'm really confused about what I actually need as regards hosting to not cause problems with cross linking coming from the same place.

    When doing a reverse IP, I see Midphase and gator host about 500-600 websites but Cpanel-host has only my websites. Assuming the first 2 are classed as Shared, what is the correct terminology for the Cpanel-Host? They call it a web designer mini-plan as opposed to a reseller package.

    I want awstats beyond that I'm clueless. I am well under my disk and bandwidth usage on all 3.

    Can anyone offer advice? I have about 40 sites and subdomains.

    Thanks.

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    You seem to use a bit strange terminology for shared hosting; i believe what you really are talking about is the fact if you can create multiple domains under 1 account, or that you can create multiple accounts with each an own domain, and maybe even a own IP.

    That last one would be where you are looking for if you would not want cross linking from the same IP address.

    For cross linking it does not matter which of the 3 you use, you probably share the same IP address for each hosting provider. And that is what you may see as cross-linking from the same place. This (the IP) is what a search-engine 'could' see (i am not even sure if google would use this technique and if they do, it would be flawed in my opinion). A search engine would not be able to see if the domains are all running from one account or from multiple accounts on the same server.

    For cPanel counts that if you like to use multiple IP's you may need a reseller account, meaning you have to setup an account for each domain so you can bind an IP address to it. (if your hosting provider provides you a pool of IP's or if you can buy them).

    Hope this helps you a bit.

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    Hi

    Thanks for the reply.

    I guess you are saying the 3 hosts I have are pretty much doing the same job since they are all different IP's and that's all Google would care about. Whether it cares at all is a little irrelevant - the point being that link exchnage partners THINK it does. For my own part I'm not sure but who knows what the future holds.

    I am still not sure what TYPE of hosting you would call my cPanel-Host package. I consider it a reseller package, although they don't call it that but it differs from others in that it isn't shared, just my sites on one IP, and unlike the others, an account for each site. If I were searching for more hosts like like, what phrase would I use? ie looking for not sharing an IP address except with my own sites, and definitely not having all my additional domains within the main account domain.

    I was going to look for replacing Midphase with something more like cPanel-Host but maybe any cheap shared hosting with free AWstats would do. mmm not sure

    I like the comfort of not having all my eggs in one basket, ie 3 hosts but wondered if the shared hosting was detrimental. I notice when yahoo shows backlinks and excludes from what it calls 'this domain', it also excludes all domains on the shared host, which suggests it sees the links as coming from the same domain, a negative of using shared hosting if there are cross links?

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    You looking for reselling hosts if you would like separate accounts. Cpanel offers you WHM for this. But is only available if you have a so called 'reseller' package.

    The term shared host is used when a host does host mutiple accounts on one server, meaning that other customers are sharing the same hardware with you.
    If possible try to find a reseller hosting with a possibility to add IP addresses.


    Once again good luck in finding the right host(s) for you.

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    Thank you

    I am looking at theprimehost.com who have a package called inferno1 which seems to give me what I want for $20 a month. No-one seems to make it clear whether I would have my own IP address though. Would that be assumed for a reseller package or would I have to ask? I know when I signed up with Midphase there was no mention of it being shared which was a bit of a shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gayclarke View Post
    Thank you

    I am looking at theprimehost.com who have a package called inferno1 which seems to give me what I want for $20 a month. No-one seems to make it clear whether I would have my own IP address though. Would that be assumed for a reseller package or would I have to ask? I know when I signed up with Midphase there was no mention of it being shared which was a bit of a shock.
    I recommend in life & especialy in this industry, Never Assume Anything.
    Ask theprimehost about 'dedicated IPs'
    Ask if the can provide,
    Ask if you can have a pair [at what price] for nameservers.
    Ask if they can provide them for individual sites.
    They should reply with there answers & there interpritation of the criteria for the issue of dedicated IPs[there are rules].

    You may want to look into ?????seohosting ??.com ???
    a sister co. of hostgator, they do 'funny stuff' that you maybe at least should look at.
    Anybody know the url for them ?

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    Oh crikey - looked at that - now I'm thinking about c-classes.

    I remember some-one telling me they would not exchange links as all my sites were on the same IP. So I gave it some thought and bought a block of 5 IPs for $10 a month. Then I got told it was no good becuase they were all the same c-class.

    No idea what it all means in practice.

    My brain seems to be going in circles. First I decide 3 hosts, safety in numbers and that's 3 different IPs and presumably 3 different c classes. So far so good.

    Now I don't like all those other sites, maybe 500-600 sharing my IP, so I decide against shared hosting.

    ThePrimeHost looks good - it's $2 exta for a seperate IP, which is fine - I pay $25 to cPanel-host so $20+$2 is still good
    BUT
    am I still on the same c-class as ... how many others?
    Does that happen with cPanelHost? Just never thought about it before.

    How does this affect me as regards bad sites and links from site a to site b when on the same IP or same c-class?

    Round in circles

    I think my main criteria is whether yahoo sees my links as being from the same domain (assuming Google likewise, just easier to see with Yahoo). With shared hosting on Midphase and Gator, this happens. With cPanelHost it doesn't.

    I think I need to ask Darren at Prime Host exactly what I get for my money. If I don't buy an IP address, do the 2nd and subsequent domains get put in my main sites folder and is this what makes Yahoo see them as being the 'same domain'.

    I may have to forget about c-classes for the time being. Not sure the extra cost is justified unless I have some evidence that it makes any real difference, other than the fact that a few link exchnage partners THINK it does!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gayclarke View Post
    Now I don't like all those other sites, maybe 500-600 sharing my IP, so I decide against shared hosting.
    One question, how do you believe you can go against shared hosts, buy you own dedicated servers?, as this would be the only way around that.

    There is nothing wrong with a shared host though, you should however take care you don't go to a host which oversells in masses. That could bring your sites in trouble.
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    Well here is where I get frustrated because I don't know enough.

    2 things I don't like with shared hosting and they are quite different considerations.

    One is where my sites are added to the main sites folder like subdomains. The very fact that Yahoo sees these as being the same domain is a MAJOR concern for me. I do believe that Google downgrades the value of links where it considers then 'internal'.

    Then I think I'm unsure of what constitutes 'shared'. As above, to me means they are sharing the same disk space and search engines can see that, potentially downgrading links from one of my sites to another.

    2 of my hosts show 500-600 other sites sharing with my IP address but the 3rd shows only my sites. To me that is not shared, although I'm sure some-one will tell me it is shared - hopefully they will explain and I will learn something

    As regards this, my concern becomes
    1. Whether my IP address gets blocked because of spammers on the same IP, which has happened to me 3 time already with Midphase, resulting in emails not getting through for almost a week.
    1. If one site on the IP address has an overkill of incoming links, at what point does Google see that IP address as being suspect, eg link-farming, paid links etc.
    1. What about porn or sites that may get blacklisted. How does that affect me if they are on the same IP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gayclarke View Post
    Well here is where I get frustrated because I don't know enough.

    2 things I don't like with shared hosting and they are quite different considerations.

    One is where my sites are added to the main sites folder like subdomains. The very fact that Yahoo sees these as being the same domain is a MAJOR concern for me. I do believe that Google downgrades the value of links where it considers then 'internal'.

    Then I think I'm unsure of what constitutes 'shared'. As above, to me means they are sharing the same disk space and search engines can see that, potentially downgrading links from one of my sites to another.

    2 of my hosts show 500-600 other sites sharing with my IP address but the 3rd shows only my sites. To me that is not shared, although I'm sure some-one will tell me it is shared - hopefully they will explain and I will learn something

    As regards this, my concern becomes
    1. Whether my IP address gets blocked because of spammers on the same IP, which has happened to me 3 time already with Midphase, resulting in emails not getting through for almost a week.
    1. If one site on the IP address has an overkill of incoming links, at what point does Google see that IP address as being suspect, eg link-farming, paid links etc.
    1. What about porn or sites that may get blacklisted. How does that affect me if they are on the same IP?
    I believe you still mix things up, can't blame you it is not all that easy, search engines can not see if you are on the same machine as long you have a private IP address. It does not matter if you are on the same disk.

    Also reseller hosting is done on a shared-server, but you most likely have your own IP and do not have problems with blacklisted IP's, but, in worst case scenario's they might block a larger block of IP's (i.e. subnet just to throw in another word to enrich your knowledge). Best thing to do is going with a provider which does not allow any kind of spamming. (those should not be hard to find).

    So your requirements should be :
    - Reseller hosting
    - Adding Domains (without limit or at least 40+)
    - Own set of IP's

    What else would you need in terms of disk space and bandwidth ? also it is a good idea to have multiple providers like you said.

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    Thanks for that. I think my brain need to switch off now

    I will go with PrimeHost with a static IP address and see how we do.

    Regards, Gay

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    Good luck with your hosting Gay.

    Take care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gayclarke View Post
    What about porn or sites that may get blacklisted. How does that affect me if they are on the same IP?
    Personaly, for my requirements I would never host with a provider thay allows 'Adult content', however legal, it's just another potential problem waiting to happen.

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    You have to ask the host unless the same are clearly stated on the Reseller/Semi Dedicated Plan advertisement. Furthermore you may be asked to justify IP's per ARIN guidelines. Two (2) dedicated IP's are often provided with Reseller plans for private nameservers.

    Quote Originally Posted by gayclarke View Post
    Thank you

    I am looking at theprimehost.com who have a package called inferno1 which seems to give me what I want for $20 a month. No-one seems to make it clear whether I would have my own IP address though. Would that be assumed for a reseller package or would I have to ask? I know when I signed up with Midphase there was no mention of it being shared which was a bit of a shock.

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    Hi

    Thanks for the reply. You are right.

    I signed up with PrimeHost, Darrell has been very helpful.

    It was shared a IP although I did get private name servers. It was $2 a month for the IP so $22 in total.

    Much better value than my Midphase hosting. Although only $12 a month, I fell for the fact that they don't have AWstats and they don't make it clear that it's shared, (all sites dumped in together as well as a shared IP). Then I compounded my errors by saying I would pay the $1 extra for the stats only to find out it was $ for each domain AND subdomain which made $26 in total (1$x14).

    What got me was when they told me no-one offers awstats for free. Crazy or what. Never had a host that didn't give me free AWstats.

    Sorry, turning into a rant.

    Anyway, so far I'm very pleased with my new host. The support is excellent. Although I'm experienced in somethings, in others I'm a complete dummy and they seem quite able to cope with this politely and efficiently.

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    Cool I'm glad this worked out for you. Nowadays there are many hosts that offer small reseller plans aimed at your needs and priced between $15-25/mo.

    Quote Originally Posted by gayclarke View Post
    Hi

    Thanks for the reply. You are right.

    I signed up with PrimeHost, Darrell has been very helpful.

    It was shared a IP although I did get private name servers. It was $2 a month for the IP so $22 in total.

    Much better value than my Midphase hosting. Although only $12 a month, I fell for the fact that they don't have AWstats and they don't make it clear that it's shared, (all sites dumped in together as well as a shared IP). Then I compounded my errors by saying I would pay the $1 extra for the stats only to find out it was $ for each domain AND subdomain which made $26 in total (1$x14).

    What got me was when they told me no-one offers awstats for free. Crazy or what. Never had a host that didn't give me free AWstats.

    Sorry, turning into a rant.

    Anyway, so far I'm very pleased with my new host. The support is excellent. Although I'm experienced in somethings, in others I'm a complete dummy and they seem quite able to cope with this politely and efficiently.

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    I always thought that the different IP addresses SEO tactic was a bit of a myth. Does anyone have any proof of this phenomenon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaw Networks View Post
    I always thought that the different IP addresses SEO tactic was a bit of a myth. Does anyone have any proof of this phenomenon?
    You may well be right and if I had to decide I would probably agree with you
    BUT
    while link exchange partners continue to think like that, for me it becomes an economic decision

    What will I pay to be CERTAIN that it won't affect me
    plus
    what is it worth to have those extra links I wouldn't otherwise get.

    The latter becomes an issue when the SEO's with multiple sites won't exchange with me since that type of link exchange is a hell of a lot less time-consuming and often more effective.

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    Hi Clarke,

    Let us know the result. Are you happy with the things? How about the subnet, IP address issue.

    Best wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gayclarke View Post

    http://cpanel-reseller-hosting.com/hostingreseller.html
    I pay $25 a month, it has WHM, awstats and seems not to be shared,
    What do you mean by "not to be shared"? We thoughts reseller hosting is also type of shared hosting with some reseller privileges?

    By looking into other offers tho, hosts are free to make up their own business packages, based on what they concern about costs and profits. It is customers' decision to make for best of their websites really.
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    Just a quick update.

    The service with PrimeHost is excellent - can't fault it. I even managed to get my awstats stuff over so still no loss of stats which is great.

    A little disappointed with the IP addresses. I bought 2 but I can't control which of my sites go on which IP address, only allocate a domain to it when I purchase it by giving them the domain name I want to go on it.

    But on the whole, very pleased.

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