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08-11-2002, 01:41 PM #1Web Hosting Guru
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So... when is the time to move to dedicated?
I'm running a website, and god bless me... it grow really fast... I'm wondering when is the time to move to dedicated?
When the price for shared over dedicated price?
When transfer a month reach 100GB?
or... when?
And, I dont' know how to running a web server... so is it anyway to have a dedicated server and have someone manage it for me... Just like shared host, but I'm the only customer and I have all its resource...
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08-11-2002, 08:22 PM #2Aspiring Evangelist
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when you the money to move
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08-11-2002, 08:40 PM #3Junior Guru Wannabe
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If you dont know how to manage a server. I suggest you either get a managed server or stay with shared hosting. Otherwise you will get hit hard with server admin charges. Most provider charge between $75-150 per hour.
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08-11-2002, 09:31 PM #4Web Hosting Guru
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IF you dont know how to manage a server you should get a managed server - cost appprox $350/month. You need to make sure moving is in the best interests of both you and your customers.
If you are relatively happy where you are, and your customers are happy, and you're not experiencing too many problems, you bandwidth usage isn't extravagant, and your load in the server isn't too great, they you might as well stay. If however, you are using more than the bandwidth alloted to you each month, or your server load is high, then perhaps you should look at moving.
As a general idea, I like to tell people that if they have 100 or more customers on their shared hosting situation, then perhaps it's time to look at a dedicated server. Now unless you are charging your customers peanuts, 100 customers should more than cover the cost of a managed dedicated server.
Do the sums, work out if your customers will be better off on a dedicated or not. Ultimately it's your customers that are keeping you in busienss, so it's your obligation and duty to ensure they are provided with the best quality of service you can give them.Last edited by reseller; 08-12-2002 at 09:24 AM.
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08-11-2002, 10:40 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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You know you need a dedicated server when,
1) Your host starts complaining that your site is using up too much CPU time, or (if the host doesn't care about his server) when the site runs very slowly,
2) When the additional transfer overage costs so much that it would make more economical sense to move to a dedicated server. (this all depends on the existing pricing of your account). Normally, if you have a site that runs over 30GB, you should start planning. When it hits 50GB, you should look for options, and anything over 100GB you definitely need your own server.
If you don't know how to manage a server, look for managed service in dedicated server package and be sure to ask what is included. (it is the most ill-defined term in the industry - some hosts call basic level of support managed service.)
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08-12-2002, 08:11 AM #6Web Hosting Guru
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So what should I looking for when requesting a managed dedicated? And how about server spec, what will decide how much bandwidth it can handle?
For example, if my site (I'm not reseller) need about 400GB transfer a month, and it use PHP + MySQL a lot (yes really). Plus, it's a nation wide site, so at the rush hour, traffic maybe very high. What should I looking for?
How about the different between IDE HDD, IDE RAID 0 2X and SCSI HDD? I mean in WebServer environment...
Most of time, hosting company offer dedicated server with dual net card, please explain.
Thanks.
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08-12-2002, 09:01 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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I'm running a website, and god bless me... it grow really fast... I'm wondering when is the time to move to dedicated?
When the price for shared over dedicated price?
When transfer a month reach 100GB?
or... when?
And, I dont' know how to running a web server... so is it anyway to have a dedicated server and have someone manage it for me... Just like shared host, but I'm the only customer and I have all its resource...
If I were you, I would wait for your shared host to:-
A: Not deliver the service
B: Tell you to move
Before you look at a dedicated server.... perhaps even look at reseller plan that people host around..... no sys admin fees in sight with that option and heaps of traffic and hand holding.
In the end, you will know which option is correct, after all you have to look after your clients
Good Luck
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08-12-2002, 09:14 AM #8Web Hosting Master
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For example, if my site (I'm not reseller) need about 400GB transfer a month, and it use PHP + MySQL a lot (yes really). Plus, it's a nation wide site, so at the rush hour, traffic maybe very high. What should I looking for?
*Tip* $99 Dollar server might not be what you want LOL
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08-12-2002, 09:30 AM #9Fool about Town
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It's not only the amount of data transfer.. it's also the % of CPU used
We have a site on my Linux server which pushes only 2GB per week but uses up over 20% of CPU.
Actually you should consider moving as soon as you are asking this question - if your site is valuable and brings in $$
If not, well let it be pushed out!
Cheers
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08-12-2002, 09:39 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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We have a site on my Linux server which pushes only 2GB per week but uses up over 20% of CPU.
LOL Thats way too much for shared hosting.... tell them to move on..... there is a limit and 2GB per week is a LOT of traffic.. what do they host that uses so much?
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08-12-2002, 09:46 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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It's not only the amount of data transfer.. it's also the % of CPU used
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08-12-2002, 10:59 AM #12Aspiring Evangelist
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Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
there is a limit and 2GB per week is a LOT of traffic.. what do they host that uses so much?
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08-12-2002, 01:13 PM #13Web Hosting Evangelist
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You simply move from shared hosting to dedicated hosting when:
1. It is cheaper for you.
2. Your host kicks you off shared. ;-) (Happened to me.)
3. Co-location is not an answer.
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08-12-2002, 10:55 PM #14Web Hosting Guru
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"Your host kicks you off shared"
Can it happen? Did you use to mych resource that they can't handle?
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08-12-2002, 10:56 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Sure it can happen.
If your site is using so much memory/CPU that everyone else is affected, then obviously your host would kick you out and tell you to get a dedicated.
Peter
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08-12-2002, 10:57 PM #16Junior Guru Wannabe
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I did...........
when my host.......
says "you are using too much resources.......your traffic is too much" unless you upgrade to a DS (I was on VDS)
and they never reply my emails after that!
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08-12-2002, 11:49 PM #17Web Hosting Guru
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Re: I did...........
Originally posted by BKM
when my host.......
says "you are using too much resources.......your traffic is too much" unless you upgrade to a DS (I was on VDS)
and they never reply my emails after that!
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08-12-2002, 11:54 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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LOL... but imagine... if my plan have 10MB/1GB for example... and I don't exeed the limit... there's no reason they can kick out me... even I use alot of resource... I see no host provider mention the limit of resource in their plan details!
Depending upon what you use, html pages, scripts etc, you can create a very heavy load on the server - regardless of disk space useage or traffic. Static html pages don't create too much load but scripts, databases etc can and do.
You can't use up 100% of the server resources or even 10% at a sustained level - There would be nothing left for the other folks
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08-13-2002, 12:02 AM #19Junior Guru Wannabe
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At least they should reply..................
and not keep mum and just let my sites slogggggggggg.
10 emails for 3 days and no reply
wouldn't bash them now but if anyone looking for a VDS, I can provide some feedback.
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08-13-2002, 12:10 AM #20Web Hosting Master
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Re: So... when is the time to move to dedicated?
Originally posted by FrzzMan
I'm running a website, and god bless me... it grow really fast... I'm wondering when is the time to move to dedicated?
When the price for shared over dedicated price?
When transfer a month reach 100GB?
or... when?
And, I dont' know how to running a web server... so is it anyway to have a dedicated server and have someone manage it for me... Just like shared host, but I'm the only customer and I have all its resource...
I am a newbie at dedicated myself and decided to get myself a Raq 4. I know as far as performance it cannot beat the other servers around but if you are the only one, it should do quite fine. Besides, because of the standardzied hardware and interface, the Raq is built to be dummy-proof. It took me a few days to get familiar with things and get them up and running. That is after going thru the documentation and so on.
Patches are pretty simple too, since they use PKG files which are available on Sun Cobalt website itself. Everything via the web interface.
Sun has a Knowledgebase sites and there are several Raq resources around which should get you going. in fact with the Sun knowledgebase, I got specific information on what to do and so on via telnet. I was a little fearful of telnet and doing all those low-level things but it works great.
If this is your first dedicated, you might want to consider a Raq. It is simple to use and has quite a lot of things built on the control panel itself.
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08-13-2002, 12:55 AM #21Junior Guru Wannabe
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a DS.........
I wanted to get from RS too but all the "do-it-yourself" thing scared me off
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08-13-2002, 01:12 AM #22Web Hosting Master
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Re: a DS.........
Originally posted by BKM
I wanted to get from RS too but all the "do-it-yourself" thing scared me off
I thought it over and instead of the higher end server that RS was offering, I went with the Raq because at least it is easier to use. I got it up and going in a matter of hours, browsing through resources and so on.
I got all the official patches done through Cobalt PKG, got mod_gzip, webalizer, mysql and so on installed through assistance from the various resources. It was simple.
These are great resources :-
http://www.uk2raq.com/raqfaq/index.php
http://supportforum.sun.com/cgi-bin/...lt.raq.general
Helped me through a lot.
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