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    With all of this overselling, couldn't hosts attack eachother?

    What I mean is one host could decide they want to attack the other host, like for example host gator.

    They put in $1000 to attack HostGator, so thats somewhat over 77,000GB of storage they will buy then purposely take. -- Thats over 300 hard drives (250GB each)

    Or what about backups, web hosts have to spend so much more paying for hard drives it would seem to simply go to some other website host and use them as backup..

    I just don't see how this over selling thing is getting so big and not being abused, sure they have a TOS, but if all your doing is taking up storage space and nothing else, the host couldn't have any reason to shut you down, could they?
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    It's been done a smaller scales before. Hosts have signed up with other hosts with the purpose of testing the meaning of the word "unlimited" or trying to utilize the gobs of bandwidth by uploading Linux ISO images or other large, free files.

    It won't happen on a massive scale in my opinion because there are too many hosts out there and I don't see any host able to spend that kind of money doing that to other hosts. Who knows though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike V View Post
    It's been done a smaller scales before. Hosts have signed up with other hosts with the purpose of testing the meaning of the word "unlimited" or trying to utilize the gobs of bandwidth by uploading Linux ISO images or other large, free files.

    It won't happen on a massive scale in my opinion because there are too many hosts out there and I don't see any host able to spend that kind of money doing that to other hosts. Who knows though.
    Any big host can easily spend $1000 to attack another web host or use them for backups instead.
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    They will find a reason to suspend/delete the accounts.

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    It wouldn't be a quick thing of uploading 77TB of files so it's not like you could catch them off guard and have 77TB of files uploaded in 1 day or even 1 week. That would take 250mbps of bandwidth for one month to upload that much.


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    CretaForce had it right. Every overselling, low-price shared hosting company is going to be the same in this regard -- if you actually use the 2000 GB of bandwidth and 200 GB of disk space, they will find a TOS or EULA violation and get rid of you.

    After all, at that point you are likely using the entirety of a dedicated server from whatever dedicated hosting provider they're using, and while they're paying $100-400/mo, you're paying $5.95. Of course they will get rid of you.

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    Chris Phillips: you can't gain money if people use all of that storage
    Chris Phillips: its not possible even with bulk deals
    Shaun: http://www.hostgator.com/dedicated.shtml
    Shaun: Yes, we can gain money. that way as we cut a deal with our datacenter
    Shaun: and we have lots of servers
    Chris Phillips: hmm
    Shaun: with lots of terabyte harddrives
    Shaun: in them
    Chris Phillips: but you guys said you were over selling
    Shaun: No, we are not overselling
    Shaun: Who told you that.
    Shaun: We do not over sell
    Shaun: and we do not allow that on our servers
    Chris Phillips: i talked to you guys several times asking many questions
    Chris Phillips: each person i talked to said you oversell your shared plans
    Chris Phillips: i forget the names though it was a week ago
    Shaun: We do not over sell our shared plans
    Shaun: I can assure we do not do that.
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    That was funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by CretaForce View Post
    They will find a reason to suspend/delete the accounts.
    What ^ said.

    One would just end up giving money to a competitor.
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    Cool

    As the post above said who has the time?
    And if you tried to use it they would shut you down for some TOS violation anyway (usually CPU cycles, try burning through that much tranfer without overloading the CPU cycles )

    So it just goes on. If people were really educated they wouldn't believe all that anyway but some people never cease to amaze me.

    We had an inquiry from someone a while back who wanted "between plans" on what we offer. We offer a "within reason" upgrade policy so if one of our plans doesn't fit exactly we can "bump it" a bit to make it work since you can't possible hit exactly what everyone needs. But in this case the potential customer wanted a lot more than a "bump". So we suggested going $3 a month more and having plenty more than what they needed and plenty of "room to grow" but that $3 (on an over $20 account) was a deal breaker for them. So what can you do? You can't please all the people all of the time so we had to just let it pass.
    Funny thing was that same customer was complaining when they contacted us in the first place because their current "overselling" host wasn't letting them use 1/3 of what was promised without repeatedly suspending them for TOS violations so...

    People just have to find the host that's best for them. We lost a customer once to a cheaper host for several reasons (mainly due to content-they went "offshore" to get around some of our "normal" for most hosts content restrictions but they blamed it on price) I have clicked on their site just for fun now & then and they are down maybe 20% of the times I check (that host has a bad rep for that here) but it suits what they wanted to do and we didn't want their content anyway so...

    Yes it could be done, but they would find a way to cancel the account when you started really using it and most of us have better things to do (like running our own businesses) to worry about "attacking" somebody else. I just get amazed at how many people host "business" accounts then want to quibble over $3 a month (or $36 for a whole year) and then complain when they don't get the perfect service they wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT View Post
    As the post above said who has the time?
    And if you tried to use it they would shut you down for some TOS violation anyway (usually CPU cycles, try burning through that much tranfer without overloading the CPU cycles )

    So it just goes on. If people were really educated they wouldn't believe all that anyway but some people never cease to amaze me.
    You could be the most educated person, it doesn't make you know everything in life. Someone looking for web hosting that has never done so before wouldn't know about WHT and everything to know about web hosts.

    Anyway, what I said could be done, I never said it could be done in a day, and how could a host stop you if all your doing is using storage and nothing else?

    Of course I have seen TOSs where your not allowed to use services for storage space only use rofl.
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    How about a script that will create a few hundred thousand .html pages and fill them up with gibberish, then interlink them in a big sitemap so that all content on that account is linked to? That's not against the TOS of most overselling companies. Even if there is a file limit you can create 1-2-10 MB files ... you can even get the content from a dictionary or even better some Japanese/Chinese symbols
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    Agreeing with DDT too. Customers are weird. It's hard to understand when most sites use less than 5MB and get less than 1GB in traffic, why they'll get excited over the overselling hosts.

    If you actually need 5TB for your site, either space or bandwidth, I'd prefer you go elsewhere.

    I know that there is at least one host now that actually does use clustering and does have virtually unlimited disk space. They're not overselling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bitserve View Post

    I know that there is at least one host now that actually does use clustering and does have virtually unlimited disk space. They're not overselling.
    lol?

    Care to share?
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    Just read their TOS carefully. They will always find a reason to suspend your account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitserve View Post

    I know that there is at least one host now that actually does use clustering and does have virtually unlimited disk space. They're not overselling.

    Dreamhost? I've been in their datacenter before. I've never seen so many racks of drives in my life.

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    Even if you could take out some little host with $1000 somehow - what's the point? There's got to be thousands more like them. You're better off putting the $1000 to some better use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyAnonymous View Post
    lol?

    Care to share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSeven View Post
    if you actually use the 2000 GB of bandwidth and 200 GB of disk space, they will find a TOS or EULA violation and get rid of you.
    But some people do not believe it, they try to upload huge files (someone use SSH,cp files),they want to know if they really can consume total space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSeven View Post
    CretaForce had it right. Every overselling, low-price shared hosting company is going to be the same in this regard -- if you actually use the 2000 GB of bandwidth and 200 GB of disk space, they will find a TOS or EULA violation and get rid of you.
    You do know what a TOS is right?
    I hope you do.

    The customer agrees to the TOS before signing up.

    You make it sound like its a bad thing that the host terminates an account due to TOS violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40sixty View Post
    You do know what a TOS is right?
    I hope you do.

    The customer agrees to the TOS before signing up.

    You make it sound like its a bad thing that the host terminates an account due to TOS violation.
    Actually the bad thing is, some of the rediculous offers host make, and if you actually try to use any resources they dump you. Why offer it in the first place, and then find a loophole not to supply it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebay-nut View Post
    Why offer it in the first place, and then find a loophole not to supply it?
    Because most people don't use over 1GB of space, very, very few will actually need anything over 10GB with "legal" files all pertaining to their site.

    People signup because they see it has a lot of space, they never use the space, they are still paying. The clients that take advantage of what they offer, get the boot, and the host still stays profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebay-nut View Post
    Actually the bad thing is, some of the rediculous offers host make, and if you actually try to use any resources they dump you. Why offer it in the first place, and then find a loophole not to supply it?
    Really? You can surley make a case for those fly-by-kiddie hosts, however if your with a well known overselling host, and you follow the tos. you will not be dumped.

    Serioulsy, people make it seem like, when a overselling host terminates an account due to TOS violation....that its a bad thing.
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