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    Question Newbie Q: How is DNS handled?

    I'm shortly going to be getting my first dedicated server from, and I have a question:

    I've got a handful of domains to transfer from various registrars. As you all know, the transfer process involves providing a primary and secondary DNS for the domains.

    How is this generally handled with dedicated servers? Do you use the provider's ( DNS? Run your own on the same server or elsewhere? Use a third party DNS service?

    I'm aware that plesk offers domain management, but I'm unclear if that means people are using that as THE DNS or just to manage virtual hosts/ sub-domains.

    Sorry if I sound blockheaded here, I'm new to this, and would appreciate help.

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    Ask your register Co.

    You have to ask for the DNS where you got your domain name, you have to give then your ips and It should be a form to fill out.
    But every company do it different.

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    Not getting you Mar-y-Sol...

    In any case, I've got things set up now and I've got a much better handle on things.

    So now my question is:
    Clearly, I can use Plesk to run a primary DNS on my dedicated server, but what about the secondary?

    I saw some people mention that I could run it on the same server , but that it isnt recommended.

    1. If I wanted to, how would I set up the secondary on the same server with Plesk? Can I just setup and point it at the same ip?

    2. The better move to me, it seems, would be to find a service that offers secondary DNS AND backup mail service for all domains -- is there such a thing?

    Also, if I go with a service for secondary I'll have to stay on top of keeping and in line? I'm only going to be dealing with about 15 domains, but I just want to be sure.

    Thanks for any advice.

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    Jul 2001
    The bst advice I can give is to check out the plesk forums at

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    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Westbury, LI NY
    malphigan, I keep running into you

    What I think Mar-y-sol was talking about was that you must register your DNS with a registrar and give them the IP(s) of and There is a basic form to fill out with name address etc etc etc and it will want the IP for and Those two addresses should have static IPs that dont ever change. If they do, you will need to run back to teh registrar and have them change them.

    Once that propogates, the registrar (and than the rest of the net) will know that there is a name server on and

    After that is done you can trasfer/register domains and set them up to point to the name servers and You can also opt to use the registrar's servers as a backup. They usually charge a small fee for this.

    Now that the domain is registered and pointing to your name server, you must use Plesk (or SSH in) to tell your name servers where the domains you just regestered are on your server. Some will have their own IPs while others may be name based. In either case,, by using Plesk to manage the domains, you are telling the name servers you are running where on the server all the sites are located.

    For more info read here:

    DISCLAIMER: Its 3:30am NYC time and I have had no sleep!

    I replied in the Ars thread as well.

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    Apr 2002

    If you're new to dedicated servers, DNS et al, I would highly suggest you use a third-party DNS solution like (great service and free!) until you're comfortable with the whole thing. DNS is extremely easy to mess up if you don't know what you're doing, and you'll have plenty of other things to do with a new server.

    Then in a couple months time, you can much more easily make the switch to your own DNS servers (or whatever you want).

    Just my 2 cents.

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    thanks Acronym BOY

    I was to tired to answer like you did.
    Nice explanation

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    Thanks for all the help!

    I've had plenty experience transfering domains around, so I'm not quite as clueless as I sound, I've got a basic idea about how it works. Of course, its the details that get you.

    I'll check out everyDNS, and what my registrar offers.

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    Mar 2002

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    Thanks Shyne, that was helpful.

    If anyone wanders onto this thread in the future:
    So I'm all set now, got lots of helpful info from the Plesk forums( e.g. ). I'm using my server as my primary DNS, and as secondary DNS. Was simple enough, and seems to be working as advertised (we'll see for sure once my first ns change propigates).

    Thanks again.

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    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    A straight forward answer. The best advice you'll ever get in your life time.

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    Alright, Shyne, I'll bite.

    The gist of my initial question was, in your parlance, "which Manual to F'ing Read?"... the 1000+page O'Reilly DNS/BIND book? The RFCs on DNS? A FAQ somewhere?

    In the end, I got the answers I needed from a combination of a couple basic sites on DNS, the Plesk Manual, the Plesk Forum, all of which were offered by helpful folks here in this very thread, and got me right on track with what I needed to know. As I get more involved, I also know where to look for more answers.

    I've been a coder long enough to know the various approaches to learning new technology, and its often very helpful to ask for advice on resources, which I did. I'm also used to people who like feeling superior about their particular speciality with snarky "RTFM" or "man foo" responses (I've been guilty of doing the same myself, FWIW). But thanks for "the best advice I'll ever receive"

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    Mar 2002
    I never said I was superior. RTFM is a perfectly good advice. What's the problem with that?

    What's wrong with the oreilly DNS/BIND book? It's probably the best reading you'll do about DNS.

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    Jun 2002
    The problem is that "RTFM" isn't helpful. If he had said "I have a book on DNS sitting on my desk, but I don't feel like reading it," I could understand your response. But as he said, he was trying to learn what book to read. "RTFM" is usually construed as "Get a clue and do something for yourself!" and isn't in any way helpful or friendly.

    Someone asked about a place that offers secondary DNS and a backup mailserver. I found mentioned the other day. I haven't used them myself, so I can't comment on quality (or on price), but it might be worth looking at, I believe they offer both services. On a side note, if you know other people who run a dedicated server (preferably in a different data center), you could try to setup an agreement whereby you host secondary DNS and backup mail for each other or something. (Is this common practice?)

    I believe the reason that you're not supposed to run secondary DNS on the same machine is that... Well, secondary DNS is "secondary" -- if the primary is down. So if you host 'em on the same machine, both primary and secondary would be down. However, if you only have one machine, I suppose it doesn't matter -- even if secondary DNS was hosted elsewhere, they'll get an IP of a computer that's down. If you plan on adding more computers, you might want to look at multiple DNS machines, but otherwise, it's probably not a big deal.

    I guess that since you already have DNS setup, my advice isn't as helpful... But if you want ternary DNS or something

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    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Alberta, Canada
    Spot on, fog.

    Most don't realize -- or they know the expense involved and it's not in the budget -- but the secondary IP is supposed to point to another Server which mirrors the Server using the primary IP.

    What most people end up doing is setting up an account on another Server for the secondary IP address, then setup pages for contacting them or providing information updates for what is going on with the main, or primary IP Server.

    Mirroring is expensive and using the above, at least provides people with a way of knowing what is going on -- and when their site will back up.

    To answer you question on, "setup an agreement whereby you host secondary DNS and backup mail for each other", it is becoming known as Account swapping, and getting to be more popular these days. - for all your Hosting needs
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