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12-26-2007, 05:46 AM #1Disabled
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Effect on Web hosting companies
What possible effect can be for web hosting companies who are using control panel which have been acquired by swsoft
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12-26-2007, 01:47 PM #2WHT Addict
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As in Ensim?
Initially we were apprehensive, but having had several very positive phone and email exchanges with their sales and support staff, we're cautiously and optimistically proceeding.
Their support staff immediately assisted us with decoupling an Ensim license that had been locked into a now-decommissioned box. Ensim Corp. would have taken their time about that, but SWSoft was all over it.
Is there a particular panel you are using mooodi, which you are concerned about?
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12-29-2007, 01:53 PM #3Disabled
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I hope they don't acquire any more of Windows or Linux panels available in the market otherwise I wonder what will happen to small hosts like me who're running 4-5 servers..? If they're able to acquire them all, then no competition will exist and after monopolized this industry, pricing might change as well as development speed. We might end up paying hugely to them for every 3rd-party integration in control panel.
Competition is always good for product development and as customer I would like to have the option of switching or choosing from different CPs.
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12-29-2007, 01:56 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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I really highly doubt they will acquire all current CP's.
Even if they do, people will always release new ones, and not everyone will be bought out.
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12-29-2007, 02:12 PM #5WHT Addict
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I had a lengthy conversation with one of their sales reps yesterday, and laid out many of the concerns listed on this and other threads.
We're in the same boat as many of you. Have relied on Ensim (or XYZ panel) for X years and now are cautious about their future.
SWSoft is going to change its name to... Parallels... in just a few weeks. Some of the products will change in name. Ensim will likely become called Parallels Pro (no sense calling it "Ensim" as Ensim Corp. no longer owns it).
I believe pricing structures will also change for some of the products.
The biggest thing is the open platform aspect. SWSoft/Parallels claims they want to create an open environment so hosts of any size can custom-load their own apps, modules, RPMs, whatever, as they believe the overall industry is moving closer to a "software as a service" (SAAS) model.
While that sounds fine and good, our concerns are that they're forgetting about the bigger picture -- that most hosting customers don't care about the bells and whistles, and just need a basic panel to manage email accounts, FTP access, databases, etc.
The other thing we underscored to SWSoft is the pricing of some of their panels and VPS services such as Virtuozzo. You simply cannot roll out a VPS service that is cost-effective if 25% of what your customers are paying you is all going to SWSoft. It's simply cost-prohibitive.
The result is that, while SWSoft may want to snap up some or most panels here and there, and move ahead with all their advanced/high-priced plans, simple economics states that smaller panel providers will step up and fill the gap left behind.Canvas Host, LLC - http://www.canvas.host - 800.574.4299
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12-30-2007, 10:38 AM #6Web Hosting Master
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SWsoft does not want to loose revenue so i doubt you will see major changes in the short term. - In the long term I think the control panels might get fused together into a new compatible release with all the features.
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12-30-2007, 03:40 PM #7Newbie
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Hi All,
I am very glad to say that I was working with Ensim for some time. SWSoft taken over only a small product of Ensim and not whole/complete control panel. Also the product they taken over is a bugy one. When they acquire Ensim product, Ensim gave training to SWSoft engineers and I myself attended those training sessions. And I can assure you that SWSoft will not acquire any more control panels...
Cpanel for Windows is releasing soon in start of 2008 which will be a most advanced control panel for windows...
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12-30-2007, 05:00 PM #8WHT Addict
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Hi winadmeen,
You are mistaken. SWSoft acquired the entire Ensim Pro control panel product line. It is true Ensim has its own Unify line (targeted mostly at enterprise services, hosted applications, and ASPs) -- but that is a completely separate product and not really applicable for what most hosts need in a panel. For all the quirks of Ensim 4, the Ensim ProX (10.3) is quite stable and bug-free.
And, SWSoft did in fact just acquire three other panels. They have given us no indication or guarantee that this is the last of their acquisitions.
cPanel is a product we're still considering, simply to bolster our panel options. We look forward to learning more about the new release.
Thank you for sharing your views,
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12-30-2007, 05:06 PM #9Newbie
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Hello Canvas,
thats right, Ensim sold out complete Pro line but according to me Unify is the only product on which Ensim is depending on. The 10.x is not completely bug free as I myself faced and reported too many bugs to development team.
Yes Cpanel will be the best option (after Plesk) for windows I think...
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12-31-2007, 01:19 AM #10Disabled
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The real monopoly will start when Cpanel start acquiring Linux base control panel
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12-31-2007, 12:14 PM #11Retired Moderator
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12-31-2007, 01:19 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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It would not surprise me if Microsoft tried to acquire one of the big hosting control panel companies at some stage as it is how they have traditionally filled gaps in their product range.
It would also allow them to kill off Linux as a hosting platform by dropping products gradually.
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12-31-2007, 02:10 PM #13Retired Moderator
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For Swsoft, we can just wait and see, they have spend so much money and efforts acquiring these companies, they surely have a plan on how to proceed and which direction to proceed.
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12-31-2007, 03:05 PM #14Rocco Alive!
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Yeah, the good old wait and watch approach ...
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12-31-2007, 05:35 PM #15Retired Moderator
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As small consumers, not much choice we have, unless I have tons of money, take over Swsoft and dictate the routes they have to take
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01-01-2008, 12:05 AM #16Rocco Alive!
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01-01-2008, 04:55 AM #17Disabled
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I am seriously doubt that Cpanel will effect hosting market by releasing windows panel. This is really strange that they are trying to release their first beta but still getting trouble to launch it....they are doing nothing but just extending release date. They should better stuck with linux panel
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01-01-2008, 04:41 PM #19Disabled
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I will agree that it take time to release new platform OS but we are hearing this from long long time. Last time they have given 15 DEC dead line for beta release. If they are not concentrating on development dead line then how will they show efficiency in integration and fixing bugs... Big question mark
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Okay... from a previous point in this thread... what effect might all these aggregations and purchases of panels have on, say, the smaller panel developers? Like RapidCP which just released a new version?
I would think that as the bigger ones become more and more wrapped up, it opens a gap in the arena for smaller players.
What are your thoughts on RapidCP, if any?Canvas Host, LLC - http://www.canvas.host - 800.574.4299
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01-03-2008, 07:39 AM #21Web Hosting Master
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01-06-2008, 12:29 AM #22Aspiring Evangelist
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As the hosting industry has matured, expect to see further consolidation among the big players in 2008, not just among control panels but other essential hosting software and peripheral services (SWSoft already picked up SiteStudio from their PSoft acquisition -- they have other channels than just control panels and virtualization).
One effect we should see from this consolidation is a greater pool of developers working together and creating more standards in the industry, leading to greater interoperability between the various apps and services, which at minimum would have taken considerably longer relying on the cooperation of rival software houses.
I do think they plan on touching the entire hosting market one way or another, and their unification under the Parallels brand only goes to further this aim as they position themselves in the market by building up all the pieces of their automation empire.
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I am just hoping that one control panel would not grow so big and powerful as to totally manipulate the market and impend the creativity of new start ups control panels, it is only with competition that comes real progress and better pricing for us as consumers.
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01-08-2008, 05:04 AM #24New Member
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Good topic. They are eliminating competitors to maintain #1 position, creating the value of the company to cash out.
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01-08-2008, 06:52 AM #25Disabled
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I don't think so that they are just eliminating their competitors infact they are after something else ... Because other panel who are not so famous in industry will gain the market so quickly.
I really want to hear something on this from Plesk member