View Poll Results: Should we keep the Social Issues forum?

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  1. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw Web Master View Post
    The experience of free speech is like the experience of life itself-always changing, infinite in its variety, sometimes turbulent and all the more valuable for having been tested by adversity.

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    It's still better than dictatorship, because in a dictatorship a minority is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the majority.
    I prefer democracy

    But I think we are getting astray ...
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    Just let the forum moderate itself. Give everyone the ability to vote to ban, and ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ub3r
    Just let the forum moderate itself. Give everyone the ability to vote to ban, and ignore it.
    That could get ugly. I can see all the tickets filing in about how xx unfairly booted me from the SI forum.
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    First of all ChrisGraph and outlaw all appear online at the exact same moment on many occasions on controversial topics like this one. Jacqueline was registered today and ChrisGraph was registered the last time outlaw was in a heated discussion. Even Outlaws posts earlier in this thread hinted at that.

    I see a development already.
    I feel some divine intervention is on the way
    It's a big joke perpetrated by one guy Outlaw Web Master. I have nothing against him, I'm not on a personal vendetta I just want to know how much evidence we need to prove that it's the same person ?

    Bah I'm done with this thread.
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    Originally Posted by ub3r
    Just let the forum moderate itself. Give everyone the ability to vote to ban, and ignore it.
    in an ideal world yes I'd agree bud...however, as we all know this ain't an ideal world

    That could get ugly. I can see all the tickets filing in about how xx unfairly booted me from the SI forum.
    I don't think there would be a 'could' Mike but a 'most definitely' that it'd get very ugly indeed with the possibility of biasness creeping in...with the end result that it would give the admins even more work to do.

    Guaranteed it would get ugly...you only have to take a look at the outside world when political discussions go down the self moderating route

    hmm Backyard Billy (Mr Conspiracy Theory )....always at the ham...

    This has been looked into before by the admins and verified no skullduggery is going on.

    Relax bud...you're in the lead....so far

    Also....I have $5000 mate to say that I am one person....Chris is another person and Jaqueline too is another person. Please accept my bet.

    I'll donate my winnings to a WHT party at Hosting Con in 2008

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    Just a quick note, Backyard Billy ...
    quote: jacqueline, ChrisGraph and outlaw all appear online at the exact same moment on many occasions

    Fantasy or Reality???

    Fact is, that jacqueline signed up today!!!! How can he/she appear online at the exact same moment on many occasions ???!!!

    You almost sound like one of my "dear", and extremely weird "friends" from Serbia. Never mind ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGraph View Post
    Just a quick note, Backyard Billy ...
    quote: jacqueline, ChrisGraph and outlaw all appear online at the exact same moment on many occasions

    Fantasy or Reality???

    Fact is, that jacqueline signed up today!!!! How can he/she be appear online at the exact same moment on many occasions ???!!!

    You almost sound like one of my "dear", and extremely weird friends from Serbia. Never mind ...
    I meant ChrisGraph and outlaw but I shouldn't have included jacqueline in that sentence. I also said Jacqueline signed up today so don't act like you didn't understand it.
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    lol...come on Billy...my IP for a start is 86.131.xxx.xxx that makes me somewhere in the UK. The admins have gone over this before.

    Anyhow...I'm off to my bed, it's 5.16am over here in Edinburgh.

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    Can happen to everyone, Billy Boy.
    Don't take your little faux pax too seriously.
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  11. #136

    lol

    .....and you call me blonde, Billy?

    ~smooooooooooooooch~

    I am from Canada. The Outlaw is from the land of tartans and clans. Last time I looked I was a female. He is male.

    Now....what is your opinion on those Diabold voting machines, hmmmm?
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    Off-topic

    Quote Originally Posted by SoftWareRevue View Post
    Pretty simple Yes or No question.

    One thing to note though, if we remove the Social Issues forum, that wouldn't open up the Lounge to those types of discussions.
    You guys are way off the main topic. Take a look at the 1st post.
    Come back everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGraph View Post
    Fact is, that jacqueline signed up today!!!!
    As did at least two others just to vote.
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    Yes and all who signed up today JUST TO VOTE should have thier vote DEDUCTED from the results..... (VERY EASY FINDING OUT WHO SIGNED UP TO VOTE!)





    Tinyurl is the answer for posting long urls!!!
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    I TOTALLY registered just to vote! j/k..

    Anyways..is it just me being tired, or does it seem as if the 3 in question's posts all use about the same grammar, and some were made within just minutes of each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon-e-mouse View Post
    As did at least two others just to vote.

    The how and why is too obvious to award any prizes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backyard Billy View Post
    No he clearly had an agenda when he opened two threads on sensitive subjects. You want to criticize a religion but I'm still waiting on the reason why ? If you don't agree with it just don't follow it.
    what does it matter whether someone has an 'agenda' creating a thread or posting a post ? each and everyone have different agendas. the requirement is that what they do has to be compliant with the rules and law.

    No, you want people to follow your reasoning (including the followers of those religions) but it will never happen. All that can come out of those discussions is bashing because you cannot prove anything, this is why it's a matter of faith!!!!!!!!!!!

    Discussing it here will not enlighten those who believe or those who don't. I do not see the relevancy of such a discussion on WHT and this is my final opinion.

    I agree with the previous poster who said politics and religions go hand in hand in some parts of the globe and that it would lead us to the same problems (I said it in my previous posts also).


    I did. WHT mods shouldn't have to deal with them all-together. This is a WEB HOSTING forum and not connected in any way with your right to expressing your political and religious opinions.

    We're not talking about a web hosting company censoring religion and politics, it's a forum and they have the right to choose what they want discussed.



    Are they opening threads saying we're all going to hell because we're not following their religion ? If yes then PM me the URL and I'll protest it.

    Respect is exactly why we don't tolerate hate speech, but it's a form of free speech whether you like it or not. When you threaten someone because of their hate speech you're infringing on their rights to free speech.

    If you see a need to discuss religion and politics, go to google.com and search for Political and religious forums. WHT is not the only forum on the internet. When I want to talk about sex I visit an other forum to discuss it, why can't you do the same ?
    a lot of blabber that fails to explain, WHY are you going into SI forum and actually reading threads if you dont like them.

    just explain this to me. are you unable to control your mouse ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adorno View Post
    Close the forum.

    There are plenty of other forums for political, religious, or any other issues. If people need to discuss any topic, I'm pretty sure that at least one or more forums exist to please that poster.
    hahahahahaahahahahaha

    republican party campaign work increasing as the election closes down eh ? cant spare time to debate anymore. thats very smart of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I think the SI base should be a 'PRIVATE BASE' That way all the idiots that dont want to see it (Cause they cant make themselves STAY OFF THAT BASE!!) wont have anything to complain about!!

    Access to Social Issues will have to be Given from one of the staff members and you have to have shown your a mature member who can handle such a privlidge

    Thats what i think should be done.... WHY TAKE IT AWAY FROM THOSE OF US THAT CAN HANDLE IT?? (Just get rid of the bad seeds)

    wow. thats a good logic and a good suggestion.

    An option may be put into the profile that makes someone see/not see social issues forum if they choose.

    but then again, those people who are totally unable to control their mouse AND their EYES in order not to enter SI forum and actually READ the entirety of the threads they DONT like, this also would not work, i believe. they would just unconsciously go to their profile, switch the setting to "yes, show me social issues forum" and then go into the forum and read every damn thread they can find and dont like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWalczak View Post
    That could get ugly. I can see all the tickets filing in about how xx unfairly booted me from the SI forum.
    exactly. and it would be abused. more conservative and repressive minds would have no hesitation to kick anyone at any point if they dont like what they said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGraph View Post
    I voted YES.
    A social forum can be fun and is relaxing as long as people don't take everything too serious and personal.
    It is like the place you hang out with the guys during lunch break or after work. Those who want to be part of it come, those who don't stay away. A lot is discussed, sometimes it gets hot - at the end you know each other a little better, which is a Plus for everyone when you're back at work.
    as to those asking "why" and using the "this is a web hosting forum" blabberscrap, this is the best answer with explanation.
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    Additionally, there are MUCH more ugly flames and manners in other forums too. Odd it is that these do not constitute a problem in the other forums, but somehow, when it comes to social issues, it suddenly is a problem.

    There is no explanation other than some people preferring to drown other people's voices when they speak things they dont like to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unity100 View Post
    Additionally, there are MUCH more ugly flames and manners in other forums too. Odd it is that these do not constitute a problem in the other forums, but somehow, when it comes to social issues, it suddenly is a problem.

    There is no explanation other than some people preferring to drown other people's voices when they speak things they dont like to hear.
    I agree

    Also to put the conspiracy theorists to bed...the 3 in question being myself, Chris and Jaqueline are indeed 3 different people or at least we were the last time I checked.

    Don't you think the admins have checked our IP's to make sure that they are different as well as our email addresses etc and the validity of them, so close but no cigar.

    False accusations are dumb and I've already wagered Backyard Billy $5000 that the "mentioned" 3 are very different people from different sides of the atlantic. If anyone's game to take the bet, then please do so. My winnings will be donated straight into the WHT Hosting Con 2008 pot

    Relax and enjoy the voting.

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    Honestly, i see this vote and the proposal that si forum should be closed, on weak arguments like 'there are ugly flames' and 'sensitivities are being hurt' as an aggression and repression against my belief system. Which is, the philosophy of age of enlightenment. Yes sir, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment <- this is more than a religion. Its a way of life.

    Yet, we are everyday putting up with people who do not want other people to cross what they believe in, under the guise of sensitivities and freedom. Freedom is being taken as granted at our age, and seen as a thing that can be violated if it suits to do as such according to someone's own beliefs. This is not as such. Many lives were paid as price to get to this level of freedom we are, in which people are able to complain that their "sensitivities" in regard to beliefs are being hurt.

    And as such, if any person has to put up with people in any belief, who think that the other people are going to be tortured, boiled in cauldrons, damned with eternal damnation, take them as 'heretics', even villains, and this is somehow NOT supposed to hurt any sensitivity of those who do not believe in that particular religion, and within the rights of 'freedom of speech and belief', then excuse me, but you religious people are also bound and have to put up with other people's beliefs regarding your religion or any religion.

    Sensitivity, as i said earlier, is a two way street. If you are sensitive towards other people, you shouldnt be believing that they should go to hell and burn in eternal flames because they dont believe the same thing as you. Its more than an insensitivity actually, it is plainly "ill will" towards other people. Think - you are basically believing, accepting that some other people who do not agree should go to hell, or taken as 'somewhat bad' people, or at some extreme cases killed even.

    And again, if you are annoyed with some ideas in a particular forum, just dont read them. People who do not subscribe to any religion or belief system are able to control themselves as to not burst into churches and mosques and listen to preists and imams and then go to the altar and criticize or request that churches or mosques should be closed down.

    If i have to put up with religion, religion has to put up with me.
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    if social issues do not belong on a web hosting forum, then quite frankly neither does a general topic lounge.

    i find the dedicated forum boring, so should we get rid of it or should i just not read it.

    the lounges get more page views than the other forums. think of what that would do to ad revenues.

    on the other hand, maybe you should get rid of it, im sure someone here would quickly take all the members to another forum.

    if it aint broke, dont fix it.
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