View Poll Results: Should we keep the Social Issues forum?
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11-17-2007, 02:50 PM #51Disabled
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I gotta admit, i have learned many stuff i didnt know about many other countries and people in that forum, despite i have been a history enthusiast for a long time.
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11-17-2007, 02:52 PM #52Devil's Advocate
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hmmm...
I voted yes because I like controvery...I like having the alternative view and I like sparking riots and bashing religion as well as many other things to let off steam
In short I'm a firestarter.
Anyone who thinks it's a boring forum should just not come in and avoid it....which would make more sense. It would not be right to just delete the social forum because some folks or even the majority of folks think it's not needed.
In order to keep WHT the best all round forum...they need to cater for everyone not just the percentages in my opinion. What would I know?...I've only ran forums for 10 years.
I mean I don't use the VPS forum or a few others because I have no interests in them etc...the same should apply to those who think the social forum is pants....if they think it's boring then why come in? seems a nonsensical attitude to have.
I totally agree with page zone too.
The social forum offers many advantages to learn about foreign issues and discuss them.Last edited by Outlaw Web Master; 11-17-2007 at 03:00 PM.
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11-17-2007, 02:59 PM #53Disabled
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After reading the pages of this thread, i see that many people are using their votes in such a fashion that this vote actually reflects :
Should we keep this forum ?
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- No, i dont like the opinions being voiced there. Silence them so i can have my peace of mind in my inner world. There is the tiny contradiction that despite i dont like the opinions in there, i go read them, but never mind that.0
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11-17-2007, 02:59 PM #54Web Hosting Master
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No I think political talk has its place here but even that will turn to religion at times. Religion has no place here, it's a personal matter. The only exception to this would be the holiday threads.
Just so you know WHT does not subscribe to free speech, you'll learn this quickly if you haven't already. Free speech protects hate speech and WHT does not tolerate that.Jean-Pierre Abboud / I'm the TekGURU
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11-17-2007, 03:06 PM #55Disabled
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so, we are going to scuttle a forum in which many stuff are being discussed just because some political talk turns to religion sometimes. is that it ?
religion not a personal matter. it affects policies, relations, social leanings, even industry. what is christian hosting, pray explain.
Just because some people being rather too sensitive not to see their subscribed beliefs being discussed does not mean that a plethora of people have to be hampered, just for the sake of them.
Just so you know WHT does not subscribe to free speech, you'll learn this quickly if you haven't already. Free speech protects hate speech and WHT does not tolerate that.0
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11-17-2007, 03:08 PM #56Disabled
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Actually to be honest, ill just find another place with serious and intelligent people to discuss such matters if that forum is closed. im sure that many other people regularing that forum in between their work hours are also going to do the same. Because its the way life is, you want something, you go get it from where it offers it.
Its just going to be another scratch in scoreboard of religious backwardness and bigotry in preventing something good, and thats that.0
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11-17-2007, 03:09 PM #57Web Hosting Master
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You admit to being a troll...
I'm agnostic btw but I respect people of all faith, what you wrote the other day really had one intention. Piss off people of the Christian faith even though you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God in the first place.
I would have said the same if you were bashing Islam or any other religion. Your atheism is a religion also, so you're clearly not in a position to point fingers at anyone.Jean-Pierre Abboud / I'm the TekGURU
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11-17-2007, 03:14 PM #58Disabled
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Additionally, no religion or belief need to be defended at all.
They are beyond needing to defend themselves, actually those who are not subscribed to those beliefs have to defend themselves in every aspect of social life nowadays. Not only people, but also ideals and freedoms need being defended from restricting encroachment of religion - ironically, this thread is an example of it.0
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11-17-2007, 03:19 PM #59Disabled
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Lets also close down the lounge then. After all, nobody needs to know how frequently people in the web hosting industry fart, do they ? we dont need any of that here. no sir. no thread of ours ...
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11-17-2007, 03:29 PM #60Disabled
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Actually closing down a forum because of 'religious' sensitivities kinda basically equals erecting up a giant cross/crescent/whatever on top of wht.
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11-17-2007, 03:32 PM #61Devil's Advocate
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discussion and confrontation in the social forum is what helps to give WHT it's sense of being the best hosting forum on the net.
it actually gives it that extra edge.
i can almost see softwarerevue rubbing his brow for starting this poll
long live the social forum.
let's face it....does everyone really want to chat acbout hosting...web design...programming all the time..or read them one day hosting reviews? come on folks....wake up and smell the coffee
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11-17-2007, 03:33 PM #62Web Hosting Master
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This post is an example of what we said "every post comes to a situation where people begin talking about religion". You started to say religious people offend non-religious people.
We are talking about if that forum should stay or not - we are not talking about if atheists should defend themselves on the street. Keep on the topic.0
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11-17-2007, 03:37 PM #63Web Hosting Master
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The reason I voted no is because, I see this as a "Hosting Talk" forum, nothing else ;-)
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11-17-2007, 03:57 PM #66Web Hosting Master
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Hardware and programming not related to webhosting?
Have you ever hosted a website at all?!0
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11-17-2007, 03:59 PM #67Disabled
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11-17-2007, 04:26 PM #68Web Hosting Master
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And here we go again... the same people bitching between one another.
Anyway, on topic...
The lounge should not be closed, and here's why. The lounge is not full of abuse, hatred and insensitive posts.
I don't think anybody who has voted "No" is arguing that the social issues forum should be removed because of the topics that are discussed. Rather, they are arguing that the manner in which that discussion takes place is the problem.
Although the lounge and the social issues forums are similar in that they both allow for off topic discussion, there is a huge difference in the tone of each forum. The lounge is a place where people respect each other and everybody is held accountable for their comments. The social issues forum is a place for people to purposefully spark violent arguments and hurl abuse.
That's the difference, and that's why we should be rid of the social issues forum, IMHO.0
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11-17-2007, 04:27 PM #69Web Hosting Master
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I feel like helping someone today.
Like I said that doesn't concern me, I'm agnostic and I don't give a rats a$$ what you say about Jesus or Mohamed. But I also know that some people believe in them as prophets/messiah and I respect their beliefs.
I used to think religious talk could be done in a civilized matter but you just have to look at people like outlaw web master to understand why it doesn't work. He asked a very important question to Christians in his "Do you believe jesus is the son of god" thread but also took shots at what they believed in. He wasn't even asking the question with the intent of learning more about the Christian religion, just to stir the pot.
Again this is political, not religious. I don't see the need to discuss religion, go talk with a priest or imam web hosting is not the place to discuss faith issues.
In politics, you vote and you make your own decision based on what you think is best. You're not being dictated anything (normally) and this is where constructive arguments can justify your opinion on a political subject.
That's what you think ? Go in the social issues forum right now and see religious marketing. In the first page I can see two.
I'm not the only one also. I don't want to fight with you and I have nothing against you. I'm only giving my opinion on a subject and you're still arguing. I guess you really do love the social issues forumJean-Pierre Abboud / I'm the TekGURU
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11-17-2007, 04:30 PM #70Retired Moderator
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Yes, please keep for a few reasons.
1) Some folks are going to bring up these topics even if they're forbidden. Since these members give meaningful contributions in other sub-forums here, it'd be a disservice to remove the forum since they'll eventually get banned. It is possible to be a positive contributing member while having limited self control in my opinion.
2) It gives me a list of folks I'd never do business with
3) There are plenty of good threads there about religion and politics, particularly those where folks post links to back up their own opinions.
4) Flamewars happen in other threads (like with overselling or "unlimited" shared hosting) so it's not like we're going to remove flame wars from WHT anyway.If you have to operate your company behind the scenes or under a fake name, maybe it's time to leave the industry and start something fresh.0
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11-17-2007, 04:38 PM #71Disabled
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irrelevant.
any message that is full of abuse, hatred are dealt swiftly with wht moderation, which anyone can confirm, if they reported anyone else's posts.
its not a matter of 'forum', its a matter of message. oftimes you'll find that moderation does not remove a message if it fits within the rules, regardless of how many people see it as 'abuse' or not. which is justified in my opinion.
basically if you see a thread or a message staying where it is, you can be sure that they think its within the rules. just report people's posts and try.
I don't think anybody who has voted "No" is arguing that the social issues forum should be removed because of the topics that are discussed. Rather, they are arguing that the manner in which that discussion takes place is the problem.
Although the lounge and the social issues forums are similar in that they both allow for off topic discussion, there is a huge difference in the tone of each forum. The lounge is a place where people respect each other and everybody is held accountable for their comments. The social issues forum is a place for people to purposefully spark violent arguments and hurl abuse.0
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11-17-2007, 04:38 PM #72Devil's Advocate
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11-17-2007, 04:38 PM #73Web Hosting Master
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The social issues forum is one of the only things that makes me come back here
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11-17-2007, 04:45 PM #75Disabled
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"thank you for the music", then.
Like I said that doesn't concern me, I'm agnostic and I don't give a rats a$$ what you say about Jesus or Mohamed. But I also know that some people believe in them as prophets/messiah and I respect their beliefs.
I used to think religious talk could be done in a civilized matter but you just have to look at people like outlaw web master to understand why it doesn't work. He asked a very important question to Christians in his "Do you believe jesus is the son of god" thread but also took shots at what they believed in. He wasn't even asking the question with the intent of learning more about the Christian religion, just to stir the pot.
and, how can religious people are not 'sensitive' as to believe everyone who doesnt believe in their thing are going to hell and burn in eternal flame, and someone who is actually 'taking shots' at what someone believes is being 'insensitive' ? hypocrisy and doubletalk, and infirm free speech standards those are. nothing related to respect.
Again this is political, not religious. I don't see the need to discuss religion, go talk with a priest or imam web hosting is not the place to discuss faith issues.
same goes for anyone who is annoyed with anyone's opinion in any forum in any part of the internet in any thread or topic.
That's what you think ? Go in the social issues forum right now and see religious marketing. In the first page I can see two.
I'm not the only one also. I don't want to fight with you and I have nothing against you. I'm only giving my opinion on a subject and you're still arguing. I guess you really do love the social issues forum0