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03-03-2008, 02:25 AM #51Aspiring Evangelist
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03-03-2008, 04:31 AM #52Web Hosting Master
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Didn't read the entire thread...
Firstly HF is based out of Hong Kong, so check if the site is violating local HK laws. Your case wont hold good if its not.
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03-03-2008, 08:54 AM #53Web Hosting Master
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03-03-2008, 01:10 PM #54THE Web Hosting Master
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It doesn't matter where the site is if it is a US company as the company itself would still be bound by US copyright law, you can go after the US branch/location all you want, even if it IS just a relative, employee, etc. If that relative/employee finds it to be more trouble than it is worth then they may simply stop their "front" of being a US company.
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03-04-2008, 04:21 AM #55Junior Guru Wannabe
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sorry, wrong place.
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03-04-2008, 04:25 AM #56Junior Guru Wannabe
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03-04-2008, 11:46 AM #57Web Hosting Master
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pornbb.org ip is 69.64.145.229
Queried whois.arin.net with "69.64.145.229"...
OrgName: eNom!
OrgID: ENOM
Address: 15801 NE 24th Street
City: Bellevue
StateProv: WA
PostalCode: 98008
Country: US
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03-04-2008, 11:51 AM #58Web Hosting Master
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03-04-2008, 12:50 PM #59Web Hosting Master
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dnsstuff traceroute ends with "Unknown - Firewall did not respond", here is what i get from a server at SL.
# traceroute pornbb.org
traceroute to pornbb.org (69.64.145.229), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 server50.hosthat.com (74.86.200.33) 0.360 ms 0.330 ms 0.320 ms
2 v63.dar02.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com (66.228.118.185) 0.309 ms 0.508 ms 0.499 ms
3 po2.cer01.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com (66.228.118.202) 0.271 ms 0.459 ms 0.452 ms
4 xe-4-3.r03.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (157.238.228.9) 0.679 ms 0.676 ms 0.900 ms
5 ae-1.r21.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.181) 0.889 ms 0.879 ms 0.868 ms
6 p16-1-0-0.r05.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.57) 0.600 ms 0.680 ms 0.684 ms
7 so-7-0-1.mpr1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.12.53) 0.660 ms 0.652 ms 0.878 ms
8 so-0-2-1.mpr1.ord2.us.above.net (64.125.30.250) 34.347 ms 34.340 ms 34.577 ms
9 so-3-0-0.mpr2.ord7.us.above.net (64.125.30.145) 34.809 ms 34.799 ms 34.534 ms
10 64.124.195.237.available.above.net (64.124.195.237) 35.270 ms 35.262 ms 35.253 ms
11 69.64.145.229 (69.64.145.229) 34.490 ms 34.478 ms 34.466 ms
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# whois 69.64.145.229
[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]
OrgName: eNom!
OrgID: ENOM
Address: 15801 NE 24th Street
City: Bellevue
StateProv: WA
PostalCode: 98008
Country: US
NetRange: 69.64.144.0 - 69.64.159.255
CIDR: 69.64.144.0/20
OriginAS: AS21740
NetName: ENOM-BLOCK
NetHandle: NET-69-64-144-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: HK1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
NameServer: HK2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2007-07-25
Updated: 2007-11-12
RTechHandle: CMC102-ARIN
RTechName: McDuffie, Christopher
RTechPhone: +1-425-274-4500
RTechEmail: chris.mcduffie@enom.com
OrgTechHandle: BB1753-ARIN
OrgTechName: Bronczyk, Bruce
OrgTechPhone: +1-425-274-4500
OrgTechEmail: bruce.bronczyk@enom.com
OrgTechHandle: CMP9-ARIN
OrgTechName: Peeters, Christopher M
OrgTechPhone: +1-425-274-4500
OrgTechEmail: chris.peeters@enom.com
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-03-03 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
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03-04-2008, 01:44 PM #60Web Hosting Master
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It is not a matter of a domain forward then?
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03-04-2008, 02:49 PM #61Web Hosting Master
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03-04-2008, 05:01 PM #62Junior Guru Wannabe
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Actually, pornbb.org has begun to address our Dmca requests several months after we sent them. It would seem word has been spread regarding this thread because they are cooperating now. In regards to who we work for, they no longer have an issue with them. I can't say the same for the other thousands of production companies out there being infringed upon.
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03-04-2008, 05:16 PM #63Junior Guru Wannabe
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03-04-2008, 05:18 PM #64the ground beneath my feet
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www.pornbb.org has address 116.50.11.98
www.pornbb.org mail is handled by 5 eforwardct.name-services.com.
www.pornbb.org mail is handled by 10 eforward4.name-services.com.
98.11.50.116.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 116-50-11-98.myrdns.com.
inetnum: 116.50.8.0 - 116.50.15.255
netname: HOSTFRESH
descr: HostFresh
descr: Internet Service Provider
country: HK
admin-c: PL466-AP
tech-c: PL466-AP
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
mnt-by: APNIC-HM
mnt-lower: MAINT-HK-HOSTFRESH
mnt-routes: MAINT-HK-HOSTFRESHsemi-retired
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03-04-2008, 05:52 PM #65Web Hosting Master
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@Prycyon You beat me to it, thanks mate
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03-15-2008, 01:41 AM #66Junior Guru
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Wow where will this thread take us next. It's amazing what assumption people make by doing a simple google search.
First I would suggest that if you have a DCMA complaint send it to the hosting party in the form of abuse@xxx.com. If you don't get a response maybe phone to see if it was received. I know this is a novel concept but we actually try to help people with any complaint someone might have. We can't give information through the phone but certainly can check if the DCMA came in.
Secondly I am sorry but there is no way someone here will go to the post office just to pick up a piece of mail. Ohh and I think the post office wanted money for this also. Use UPS / Fedex it's a little more practical. A e-mail is just as good.
Lastly is this the Eric that makes money from PornBB being up? This is the Eric that has been caught posting forum messages "requesting" certain content so that he can then send in a DCMA request? Apparently one can make quite a bit of money convincing companies that one will be a watchdog and send out DCMA's. But I find it a conflict of interest when the watchdog is requesting certain content for his benefit. From what I have been told is that when the message came up of shutting down the IP address, Eric sent a nice message requesting not to shut it down and that all parties are working together. I honestly don't care either way or represent HostFresh it's just funny to think of the DCMA party doing all this simply for a monetary gain.
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03-15-2008, 01:56 AM #67Junior Guru Wannabe
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If you would've actually read the posts in this thread, you'll see that I did send them only to have abuse@intercage.com bounce.
I've talked to someone there on numerous occassions which has led to no resolution whatsoever. By the way, I know a certain in-house attorney who would really like to get in touch with someone there at Intercage. It seems he's having trouble as well.
All our correspondence has been sent certified. All returned as unclaimed. You're mistaken as certified mail is prepaid and all you do is sign for it. I'm sure if you guys had legal counsel you'd know this, however you do not which was confirmed by someone at Intercage.
This statement couldn't be further from the truth and I would love nothing more then this illegal file-sharing forum to be taken offline. My correspondence indicated that we don't want to disrupt anyone's operation and that we only want our client's copywritten content taken down. You have taken me out of context and be VERY careful about what you accuse me of "Goose". I won't tolerate your slander..or is it libel? I'll have my lawyer check.
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03-15-2008, 02:26 AM #68Junior Guru
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Well it should not bounce and we can test it to make sure.
I believe I spoke to you once, I haven't asked any of the technicians to see if they have spoken with you. But I am pretty certain that numerous would be a wrongful statement.
Look I am not trying to get you all excited. Simply trying to show you the way to make sure your DCMA's are taken care of. If your going to send something send it Fedex or UPS it can require a signature also. But as I mentioned a e-mail followed by a phone call will save you a ton of time.
I am not a representative of PornBB but it's a forum with links to files which are not on the server. There are zero files being distributed from the server.
Lastly we are a dedicated server provider not a law firm. What in the world would we need a legal counsel for? And regarding certain remarks it was you who categorized the company as being "shady". I did not even put you as being the Eric in question.
My job is also to make sure that our clients do not abuse our network. There was absolutely no need to characterize us in a negative manner or to imply opinions on a public forum.
If you have any DCMA's please bring them to my attention and I certain they will be dealt with.
Thanks!SF Dedicated Servers / Co-Location / Transit
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03-15-2008, 11:02 AM #69Aspiring Evangelist
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This thread is awesome. Eric's a smart guy. For him to have a job, there needs to be illegal content on the internet. If there is no illegal content, then he won't get paid.
Keep the site operating but continue to monitor for content violation is a good business model.
Though, I would really like to see how far Eric gets trying to send DMCA notices to Russian, Vietnamese, etc... data centers.
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03-15-2008, 03:54 PM #70Web Hosting Master
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03-16-2008, 06:29 PM #71CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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Atrivo another link in the chain with the RBN cyber-mafia, ref: http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/
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03-16-2008, 06:53 PM #72/me dawns tinfoil hat
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03-16-2008, 07:02 PM #73CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/2007/...aking-its.html more specifically.
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04-16-2008, 01:17 PM #74Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by [B][URL="http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member.php?u=27787
As long as the website you have in question is hosted in Hong Kong, they do NOT have to take any action regardless of where they are located or incorporated. If they step foot on US shores, then they could be held liable, but until then... keep praying
I hope we can now stop suggest OP and other WHT members from sending DMCA and take down notices to HF, and other organizations operating outside the US.