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    is there anything more annoying than domain squatters?

    there seem to be quite a few on this board. nothing pisses me off more than some loser trying to make money off someone elses work. what pisses me off even more is when they try to sell the domains for insane amounts (ie $50k). please, i beg u; get a real job.

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    Nope, they all suck
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    >is there anything more annoying than domain squatters?

    Spam?

    I can avoid domain name sellers pretty easily. Spam comes to me whether I want it or not.

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    Re: is there anything more annoying than domain squatters?

    Originally posted by rlynch
    there seem to be quite a few on this board. nothing pisses me off more than some loser trying to make money off someone elses work. what pisses me off even more is when they try to sell the domains for insane amounts (ie $50k). please, i beg u; get a real job.
    Yeah I can think of something more annoying: Self-appointed, know-it-all forum vigilantes with no appreciation for free enterprizing individuals, posting BS at the forums. Also, seemingly uneducated people that have a hatred towards pressing the CAPS SHIFT at the beginning of a sentence or when letter "I" stands alone.

    For your information, the term "cyber squatter" only applies to cases where individual "A" attempts to sell domain "X" to company/individual "B" when said company already owns related trademarks/rights to a variant of the name.

    Just because I buy and sell domains does not make me a cybersquatter.

    As they say in Australia: g'day mate.

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    Re: Re: is there anything more annoying than domain squatters?

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    Yeah I can think of something more annoying: Self-appointed, know-it-all forum vigilantes with no appreciation for free enterprizing individuals, posting BS at the forums. Also, seemingly uneducated people that have a hatred towards pressing the CAPS SHIFT at the beginning of a sentence or when letter "I" stands alone.

    For your information, the term "cyber squatter" only applies to cases where individual "A" attempts to sell domain "X" to company/individual "B" when said company already owns related trademarks/rights to a variant of the name.

    Just because I buy and sell domains does not make me a cybersquatter.

    As they say in Australia: g'day mate.
    uhh....I'm on this guy's side....


    What's the difference between buying a domain at a low price, and then selling it at a higher price?? It's called investing.

    If you buy an old camaro (a car) for $1500, and then fix it up a little to make it look good (ie, advertise it) and then sell it for $15K, but NEVER drive it...would you call that car squatting??

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    timeexchange, why are u so offended? i never mentioned ur name once. and yes i agree with the idea of "buying low/selling high." of couse nothings wrong with that. but waht really gets me is when greed takes it course and these people ask for unjustified amounts. i guess it pisses me off so much because ive been affected by it first hand. u gota admit it is extremely frustrating. say for instance u wanted the domain utopiahosting.com, but some moron has it registered and has no intent on making it a valid website. he offers to sell for the small price of $100,000. now wouldnt you be annoyed?

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    First off, the name's timechange

    Second, I haven't seen any domain squatters on this board, maybe you need to be more specific before you earn the wrath of anyone that does domain brokering, myself included.

    Third and last, the basis for the entire domain registration process is this: first come, first served. If you came in second, you are already late. Someone else thought, invented or bought a domain you were late registering? Sorry mate, there can only be one (to quote "Highlander").

    What they do with that domain is the owner's business. They can point it to a nameserver or not, point it to a collection of pages, redirect it to another domain, offer free email under that domain, or have it parked with a "for sale" sign.

    Instead of feeling bitter about it, consider another TLD or name altogether.

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    yes i know. its their domain. they can do whatever they like with is, charge how ever much for it. this is all legal, thats why there is nothing legally i can do. however, i still belive charging $500k for a domain is unethical and greedy. of course the buyer is going to be annoyed.

    earlier, akashd compared domain squatting to buying a car. that is not even close. to make the analogy accurate, u would have to price the car at say $150k

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    Originally posted by rlynch
    timeexchange, why are u so offended? i never mentioned ur name once. and yes i agree with the idea of "buying low/selling high." of couse nothings wrong with that. but waht really gets me is when greed takes it course and these people ask for unjustified amounts. i guess it pisses me off so much because ive been affected by it first hand. u gota admit it is extremely frustrating. say for instance u wanted the domain utopiahosting.com, but some moron has it registered and has no intent on making it a valid website. he offers to sell for the small price of $100,000. now wouldnt you be annoyed?
    If it was a domain that had good value for its name, and I wanted it, I would pay the price...unless of course I actually owned trademarks to the name. Like timechange has already explained, cybersquatting refers to people buying domains with a trademarked word or phrase in it and attempting to sell it to said company for any amount, not necessarily high amounts of $$$

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    Originally posted by rlynch
    yes i know. its their domain. they can do whatever they like with is, charge how ever much for it. this is all legal, thats why there is nothing legally i can do. however, i still belive charging $500k for a domain is unethical and greedy. of course the buyer is going to be annoyed.

    earlier, akashd compared domain squatting to buying a car. that is not even close. to make the analogy accurate, u would have to price the car at say $150k
    Which domain did you want to register that you found it was already taken, contacted the owner only to be told you have to pay $500,000 for it?

    And sex.com doesn't count

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    Originally posted by rlynch
    yes i know. its their domain. they can do whatever they like with is, charge how ever much for it. this is all legal, thats why there is nothing legally i can do. however, i still belive charging $500k for a domain is unethical and greedy. of course the buyer is going to be annoyed.

    earlier, akashd compared domain squatting to buying a car. that is not even close. to make the analogy accurate, u would have to price the car at say $150k
    can't you read my signature??

    hypothetically speaking...lets say someone registred yourname.com and wasn't using it...would you buy it from him if you wanted it??

    put yourself in the sellers position, if there is a demand for something you own and no one else has, wouldn't you try to get the most $$$ out of it?

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    i honestly forget. it was a while ago, during the whole "domain name craze" if it was a domain like sex.com then i would see teh value. but it was some obscure made up word.

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    Originally posted by rlynch
    but it was some obscure made up word.
    try to find yahoo or xoom in the dictionary...are these not made up words?? if I owned these, and they weren't developed and someone wanted to buy them...i'd charge them a pretty penny for them

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    Actually, if they weren't developed, they wouldn' have brand recognition and therefore wouldn't be worth any more than other nice-sounding made-up names.

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    Originally posted by adland II
    Actually, if they weren't developed, they wouldn' have brand recognition and therefore wouldn't be worth any more than other nice-sounding made-up names.
    very good point

    but anyone with good marketing skills would see that a 4 or 5, even 6 letter domain name that sounds catchy (ie, rolls right off your tongue) would be worth something....

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    Originally posted by akashd

    put yourself in the sellers position, if there is a demand for something you own and no one else has, wouldn't you try to get the most $$$ out of it?

    theres a difference between reasonable pricing and just plain greed.

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    maybe cybersquatting wasnt the right word. help me out then.

    wahts it called when someone buys a domain with no intent on using it and tries to sell it for $500k? i think its called being greedy , not sure though.

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    wahts it called when someone buys a domain with no intent on using it and tries to sell it for $500k?
    depends on the domain but i'd call it investing

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    if the domain name does not infringe on any trademarks etc, than they are free to ask whatever they want for it. Why get annoyed about it, just look for another alternative, in todays market there are lots of people who are prepared to accept a reasonable amount for domain names that they are not using.

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    Buying a selling a domain name is a business just like any other business and it is not illegal (unless it is cybersqatting). You buy and sell real estate - someone buys a piece of land which is worth 50,000 and wants to sell it for 500k, then you as the buyer have a choice. Buy that land if you can and if you want to or buy some other land.

    I know it sucks sometimes when we see a good one and someone is sitting on it. But hey, where have you been living so far - did you arrive in this world just now? Welcome to the jungle, if you got the money honey, you can have your domain (or something like that). Oh, what happened to axl rose, by the way? Is he still alive?

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    i never said that its illegal. thats why i say its annoying. becasue there is nothing i can do legally about it.

    i dont know why poeple get so offended. do i not have the right to say its annoying?

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    rlynch, just curious what was the domain that was snatched away from your hands?

    And did you contact the registrant; if yes, how much did they ask for?

    So far your approach is whining about anybody taking any domain other than whoever was supposed to make specific use of it instead of selling it. I mean, come on.... like Gurudev said, it's like buying real estate property and instead of developing a mansion you just keep the field

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    like i said earlier, i honestly dont remeber. it was a while back, sometime around 1999-2000. i do however recall getting the email with his selling price of $50k. never have i been so shocked by one persons greed.

    i agree taht there are domains out there taht are very much worht their selling price (ie business.com, sex.com) but, waht really gets to me is when poeple are greedy and extremely overprice. its just plain sad.

    now if u want to get offended or upset at my comments, thats up to u. i dont know why u would though, cuase i never once refered to u.

    and please, do not compare domains to real estate properties. they are only similiar on a very basic level.

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    now if u want to get offended or upset at my comments
    i am sure no one is upset or offended, i certainly am not, everybody is just expressing their viewpoints. Back in 1999, a lot of people were making one hell of a lot of money on the internet, those days are long gone and I doubt we'll ever see them return.

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    Originally posted by akashd


    try to find yahoo or xoom in the dictionary...are these not made up words?? if I owned these, and they weren't developed and someone wanted to buy them...i'd charge them a pretty penny for them
    A...

    Yahoo is in the dictionary. The word is almost 300 years old.

    From m-w.com:

    Main Entry: yahoo
    Pronunciation: 'yA-(")h, 'y-
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural yahoos
    Date: 1726
    1 capitalized : a member of a race of brutes in Swift's Gulliver's Travels who have the form and all the vices of humans
    2 : a boorish, crass, or stupid person
    - yahooism /-"i-z&m/ noun

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    Re: is there anything more annoying than domain squatters?

    Originally posted by rlynch
    there seem to be quite a few on this board. nothing pisses me off more than some loser trying to make money off someone elses work. what pisses me off even more is when they try to sell the domains for insane amounts (ie $50k). please, i beg u; get a real job.
    I think people are a bit errrr... annoyed at the topic because you mentioned that there are quite a few cybersquatters here on the forum. Even without mentioning names, people tend to guess.

    The thing is that buying something for a certain price and then reselling it isn't anything new, and asking loads of money for something isn't either. It might be annoying to you, however if that's your only point and opinon, that's fine.

    There was a domain that I wanted, I offered more than the highest bid on afternic (they posted it twice, both times getting bids under $500). They emailed back asking $150,000. I just ignored it. Their loss, I'll find other domains...
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    Hmm, I just saw this article "EC seeks public's views on cybersquatters." Here's the link:

    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2120092,00.html
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    What a load of BS. The basis of domain registrations is "first come first served". Why tag all domain registrations as squatting when done by the same person? I agree that if intellectual property is involved that's another story, but in essence all creative names are concepted upon registration. So if someone else comes up with the name they will have to pay to get it.

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    Originally posted by rlynch
    maybe cybersquatting wasnt the right word. help me out then.

    wahts it called when someone buys a domain with no intent on using it and tries to sell it for $500k? i think its called being greedy , not sure though.
    I think it is called free ****ing market economy, after all its not like holding back some life saving drugs or invention from reaching market.
    Last edited by Chicken; 08-15-2002 at 08:42 PM.

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    I believe the title was "is there anything more annoying than domain squatters?" He made no assumptions about the legality of domain squatters. Nor did he make any assumptions about the free market economy (I really don't want to get into an argument about economics, but I have a phd in economics and grabbing a domain name and simply parking is not the best example of a free market economy, in fact it probably hinders it more than anything).

    He was simply saying that if he wanted to devote a website for shoes and went to register the website name http://www.ilovenewshoes.com/ and found that someone has had it for 10 years with no interest in shoes whatsoever, then he would be annoyed. He's not saying its illegal, he's not saying that they are doing anything wrong, he's just pissed off. Wouldn't you be. God I can feel the heat from the flames as I speak. But hey, I'm bored today.

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    FYI, http://ilovenewshoes.com/ is not registered. So anyone wanting to make a website about new shoes might want to grab it before someone else does .

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    Rather than getting annoyed about it, I suggest, you should feel challenged, get creative and find another domain..i am sure there are lots of valuable domains avaliable, still...just spend some time, check for the avalibility and grab them..!

    Infact, in the last couple of days, i have been searching for a couple of domains...in a particular industry...have tried more than 300 domain..but none are avaliable..I was surprised to see all of them were taken...But sure, i am going to find one relevant and nice one ( poll of ur tongue..as akash puts it ) very soon !

    Domain reselling is a full time business. Its got a huge secondary market...there used to a time when cybersqatting was rampant...but now, i guess...with stricter rules and implementations...its minimised a lot...and timechange ...has clearly defined whats cybersquatting !

    Another thing is that, when you search for the domain avaliability...youw ill bump into lot of interestings stuff...atleast that has happened with me !

    Good luck

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