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    Ensim Pro control panel sold to SWSoft

    Ensim Pro control panel sold to SWSoft....

    Any comments? Ensim have been very quite on their pro product for some time so i am hoping SWSoft make the most of this and dont just get rid or integrate the product into their own......

    Anyone have any good contacts at SWSoft as I really need to speak to someone.
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    I am afraid it will lead to the death of Ensim. Ensim is just standalone control panel, not clustered product likes H-Sphere. And even H-Sphere, they have standalone version. I am not sure about H-Sphere, but I tried Ensim before, and it's a bit difficult to use, so...

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    Ensim is a fantastic product if you arent looking for a playskool look and following the sheep like every other damn host on the market.

    Its ok to say you dont like it, but its a great product. SWSoft obviously see value in it and I think they will continue development of the product alongside existing product lineups, just interested to see how this unfolds.

    I personally wouldnt trust any other product for shared hosting.

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    So now swsoft is developing:

    Plesk for linux and windows
    Confixx
    Ensim for linux and windows

    That's five distinct and separate competing products.

    The also have:

    virtuozzo
    hspcomplete
    PEM
    DAS

    PEM and DAS are almost the same product as well.

    How many competing products can they realistically develop and manage. More over, why would they want to have all these products in house that directly compete with each other? Seems like they just out some competition with this announcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UH-Matt View Post
    Ensim Pro control panel sold to SWSoft....

    Any comments? Ensim have been very quite on their pro product for some time so i am hoping SWSoft make the most of this and dont just get rid or integrate the product into their own......

    Anyone have any good contacts at SWSoft as I really need to speak to someone.
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=634556

    Per Ensim and my SWSoft contact we will be notified within the next few weeks with new account managers assignments.

    SWSoft has provided an email address [email protected]

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    Consolidation is now happening in the hosting control panel market.

    Interesting.

    I predict that SW Soft will merge several of their control panels into a single product within 1.5 years. It makes no sense to do otherwise.

    Buying Ensim is a smart move, I think.
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    Maybe combine the 2 and make Plensim
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrzippy View Post
    Consolidation is now happening in the hosting control panel market.

    Interesting.

    I predict that SW Soft will merge several of their control panels into a single product within 1.5 years. It makes no sense to do otherwise.

    Buying Ensim is a smart move, I think.
    Per a phone conversation that I had an hour ago with my contact they have no plans to merge panels, to make his point he said "We acquired Confixx several years ago and it is still Confixx" so Ensim users should not be alarmed.

    http://www.swsoft.com/en/ensimpro/

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterh View Post
    Maybe combine the 2 and make Plensim
    Plensim...interesting LOL

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    I think you should TM that name

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    Ensiplex sounds good as well...

    Interesting development for sure - I've always been interested in Ensim, having used it as my first CP. However, I could never really deal with the costs when compared to the other options out there. This could end up being a positive thing, maybe the guys at SWSoft can make it more accessible for someone like me.

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    Cost? Long term Ensim has worked out cheaper than panels such as Cpanel... I always prefer up front costs to own a licence rather than monthly or recurring fees. This is the first thing SWSoft will change I fear
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    Matt, I second that. I prefer to the initial investment into the license rather than recurring fees.

    I just spoke with Jager from SWSOFT, Manager for Asian Operations @ SWSOFT, It seems to me that they are intending to sell it "as a service" model pushing it for resellers, rather than up front purchases.

    Costs? Ensim is always cheaper long term, not just for the recurring costs, but because of the reliability the CP is designed, saves troubles on admin, security etc.
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    Will be more SWsoft purchased announced in the future I am sure of that.

    It will soon be the "godpanel" or something like that, and PEM will be there to be "god" over the other panels

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    I am a bit alarm, I am hoping that there will be more independent controlpanels in the market rather than one company controlling all. Thankfully Directadmin is still not acquired and Cpanel is doing strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneavenue View Post
    Per a phone conversation that I had an hour ago with my contact they have no plans to merge panels, to make his point he said "We acquired Confixx several years ago and it is still Confixx" so Ensim users should not be alarmed.
    The key difference here is that Confixx is big in it's native market of Germany, but Ensim is directly competing with Plesk. However, the Plesk, Inc. purchase by SWsoft had a few bumps but did go well without harming my business, and I am pleased to be a small part of SWsoft rather than a smaller company as they are a company who do listen to us partners (at all levels), and are proving to be a strong force in the industry which offers my business stability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Matt, I second that. I prefer to the initial investment into the license rather than recurring fees.

    I just spoke with Jager from SWSOFT, Manager for Asian Operations @ SWSOFT, It seems to me that they are intending to sell it "as a service" model pushing it for resellers, rather than up front purchases.
    Plesk has always been offered as both models, and I think this will continue with Ensim. If you buy in bulk you will get discounts on both one-off and monthly subscriptions. Don't worry about this, their sales models are flexible and their sales team supportive.
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    Definitely. My firm has just attained a partnership with SWSoft just recently, and are pleased at how they intend to bring hosting automation to the next level.
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    [MAJOR News] SWsoft acquires PSoft (H-Sphere) - and Ensim

    The word's out, guys.. someone from SWSOFT has informed me that SWSOFT has just accquired another hosting control panel - Postive Software Corp (Guys who do Hsphere)

    Hot on the heels of the Ensim Pro product line accquisition, It seems that SWSoft is aggressively consolidating the hosting control panel market.

    So the major retail players currently indepedent of SWSOFT are Linux: cPanel, Directadmin Windows: Helm, DotNetPanel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    The word's out, guys.. someone from SWSOFT has informed me that SWSOFT has just accquired another hosting control panel - Postive Software Corp (Guys who do Hsphere)

    Hot on the heels of the Ensim Pro product line accquisition, It seems that SWSoft is aggressively consolidating the hosting control panel market.

    So the major retail players currently indepedent of SWSOFT are Linux: cPanel, Directadmin Windows: Helm, DotNetPanel
    Any idea if/when this will ever be made public?

    Personally not surprised that SWSoft are snapping up companies, only worries me if cPanel/DA go next...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    The word's out, guys.. someone from SWSOFT has informed me that SWSOFT has just accquired another hosting control panel - Postive Software Corp (Guys who do Hsphere)

    Hot on the heels of the Ensim Pro product line accquisition, It seems that SWSoft is aggressively consolidating the hosting control panel market.

    So the major retail players currently indepedent of SWSOFT are Linux: cPanel, Directadmin Windows: Helm, DotNetPanel

    This has been known for about 6 months. Both sides have been hush hush about it though. Since they are telling people it must mean they finally reached an agreement that both sides accept.

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    * [MAJOR News] SWsoft acquires PSoft (H-Sphere) - and Ensim

    It's confirmed. http://www.swsoft.com/en/psoft/ and http://www.swsoft.com/en/ensimpro/

    This should (hopefully) have a positive impact on the hosting industry as a whole, but it also means that SWsoft will have somewhat of a monopoly in hosting software (Plesk, H-Sphere, Ensim, Virtuozzo, to name some).

    I'd be very interested to hear how the community feels about this and how it might affect some web hosts out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by layer0 View Post
    It's confirmed. http://www.swsoft.com/en/psoft/ and http://www.swsoft.com/en/ensimpro/

    This should (hopefully) have a positive impact on the hosting industry as a whole, but it also means that SWsoft will have somewhat of a monopoly in hosting software (Plesk, H-Sphere, Ensim, Virtuozzo, to name some).

    I'd be very interested to hear how the community feels about this and how it might affect some web hosts out there.
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    Major is almost an understatement.

    but it also means that SWsoft will have somewhat of a monopoly in hosting software (Plesk, H-Sphere, Ensim, Virtuozzo, to name some).
    Indeed... It's what makes me not like this news a whole lot.

    *subscribes to thread*
    Good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldcdc View Post
    Major is almost an understatement.

    Indeed... It's what makes me not like this news a whole lot.

    Good idea.
    From personal experience, SWSoft products have major problems updating smoothly (usually something always breaks).

    Perhaps it's a bit too much for them to handle. Hopefully the quality of these control panels don't go down the drain...

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    SWsoft and Ensim Corporation will exist as independent entities following the acquisition

    Will they develop it/manage/support it seperately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procyon View Post
    Will they develop it/manage/support it seperately?
    That's a good question - if so, what would be the value of the acquisition (in Psoft's case)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by layer0 View Post
    It's confirmed. http://www.swsoft.com/en/psoft/ and http://www.swsoft.com/en/ensimpro/

    This should (hopefully) have a positive impact on the hosting industry as a whole, but it also means that SWsoft will have somewhat of a monopoly in hosting software (Plesk, H-Sphere, Ensim, Virtuozzo, to name some).

    I'd be very interested to hear how the community feels about this and how it might affect some web hosts out there.
    Since when does SWsoft own H-Sphere? Did I miss something?

    I go on vacation and come back to a SWsoft world... sheesh. Oh well, I was using both Plesk and H-Sphere anyway, so this might be a benefit to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveNET View Post
    Since when does SWsoft own H-Sphere? Did I miss something?
    Since they acquired PSoft (that's the point of the thread )?

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    Quote Originally Posted by layer0 View Post
    This should (hopefully) have a positive impact on the hosting industry as a whole, but it also means that SWsoft will have somewhat of a monopoly in hosting software (Plesk, H-Sphere, Ensim, Virtuozzo, to name some).
    Boy is that a contradiction of statements. Monopoly and good rarely go with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steven99 View Post
    Boy is that a contradiction of statements. Monopoly and good rarely go with each other.
    Well, it depends on how you look at it. SWsoft now has a lot more resources and even greater potential to impact the future of the hosting industry, whether that be for good or bad. On the other hand, you could see it as a monopoly (I'm just presenting both sides, as I really don't have an opinion myself yet).

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven99 View Post
    Boy is that a contradiction of statements. Monopoly and good rarely go with each other.
    From a purely economic standpoint, not necessarily.

    But they don't have a monopoly as long as cPanel is independent. It'll be good to see how this goes.

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    Same view as long as Cpanel is independent and also Directadmin. One thing is this market barrier to entry is not high, exit barrier is not high. Suppliers are weak and buyers are weak. Differentiation is there or you can go for low cost and volume. So it will still attract new comers if there are too few players due to the acquisitions.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by tickedon View Post
    Any idea if/when this will ever be made public?

    Personally not surprised that SWSoft are snapping up companies, only worries me if cPanel/DA go next...
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    It's now finally official. PSoft have been bought out by SWSoft and Comodo have kept their noses in via a partnership with SWSoft to "enable" H-Sphere cluster owners to integrate Comodo products with H-Sphere.

    My biggest concern is the amount of junk SWSoft put in their products, both coding wise and VAR wise. I hope they keep the same core team in place and just add to the panel with features, not bloat it with junk. The news finally coming is good, though, because it should allow psoft to make good on some of those development promises that I assume were only hanging in the balance due to the possible acquisition.


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    Although I no longer use H-Sphere, due to selling that business some years ago, I would never go back to it now. Swsoft products are sub standard and their sales and support are worse. Their products are a nightmare most of the time.

    I'm glad we use software from companies that are it for the long haul. Hoever if one of them did get acquired by swsoft I would drop them.
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    This thread might need merging with the other one started earlier today in the control panel section: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=635170

    I'm just glad they finally announced it. It's been a long time in coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyday View Post
    Although I no longer use H-Sphere, due to selling that business some years ago, I would never go back to it now. Swsoft products are sub standard and their sales and support are worse. Their products are a nightmare most of the time.

    I'm glad we use software from companies that are it for the long haul. Hoever if one of them did get acquired by swsoft I would drop them.
    Hey Matt. Back in the day when you had an early version of Hsphere, I had a reseller account from you. I had to move on though as it was lacking something I needed. Anyway, I have had good luck with Plesk on Linux, but then again I have not deployed it on a large scale.
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    Yes, this announcement and transaction has been worked on for months and months.

    But they don't have a monopoly as long as cPanel is independent.
    cpanel does not cater to the same marketplace - there is some overlap - but, cpanel is not and will never be a hosting automation solution - and frankly - except for a few examples - isnt a viable solution for mid sized or higher providers and even for small providers its limiting at best.

    I am quite excited about this and have been eagerly waiting the formal announcement. Obviously having SWSoft own so many control panels can be scary - but, the upside is HUGE. They are keeping the psoft development team intact and they are looking to integrate with core swsoft products (ie virtuozzo) and making it part of Open Fusion.

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    Personally not surprised that SWSoft are snapping up companies, only worries me if cPanel/DA go next...
    swsoft would have zero interest in cpanel - so, no fear there...

    For hsphere providers - this is great great news. comodo is a good company, but, they arent a control panel company - and in swsofts hands - hsphere could become something very special.

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