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Old 09-02-2007, 09:28 AM
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Dreamhost review, 2.5 years

I subscribed to Dreamhost in Feb 2005. I quess this could be called "2,5 year review". Feel free to ask questions.

I've been mostly happy with Dreamhost. The server I've been on has been quite fast and really reliable. I've had no big problems with the DB servers or connections. DH does have short downtimes quite often, but most of these are so short that even if your monitoring sees them you might not. Mail is less reliable than I would like, and IMAP is quite slow to use.

There are a lot of features. DH has given me several "whoa, cool!" moments when I discovered how something was implemented. For example, the snapshot backups are truly great and saved me a couple of times. The "Private Server" is a nice new feature. More on that later. One-click installs work and can also be "one-click upgraded". On the other hand, I'm not happy with spam tools.

Support has been slow, but competent. Only one reply was totally bogus and had obviously wrong information.

I live in Finland, and the distance occasionally makes the connections slow. This is especially been true with the control panel and IMAP mail. However, more often the slowness has been at the Dreamhost's end. Dreamhost pushes a lot of data through their network, and when the network is slow you really can feel it. Unfortunately they've had "core router issues" several times in the last year.

The last few weeks http://blog.dreamhost.com/2007/08/21/it-all-falls-down/have been rough. The core router issues were back, and indirectly caused their DNS update script to start eating the DNS records, which dropped many sites from the face of the net. And this is no ordinary downtime: if your DNS records are borked, even the mail doesn't work for a day or two. I lost some mail because of this downtime.

There are hordes of people complaining about the latest downtimes in the Dreamhoststatus blog.


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Dreamhost Private Server is Linux Vserver -based solution. You have no root, but your own protected process space. Pretty much the same as shared server, only not as much shared. The PS are on their own servers, and you pay extra in top of your shared hosting bill based on your chosen resource maximums.

Dreamhost's control panel has “Adjust CPU/Memory” bar for the PS. You can adjust the memory and CPU in almost real time. The implementation hides the technical details and makes it look really easy. Also, there has to be a lot of legroom on these servers, since the users are constantly fiddling with their sliders.

The downside: the minimum 150Mhz/150MB(+150MB swap) is not going to get you anywhere. If you run out of memory+swap, the PHP scripts instantly give the Internal Server Error. While it’s really easy to up the memory, it’s quite hard to see exactly what’s going on. Having no root access and no possibility to install Apache modules makes the problem even worse.

I had some initial problems to get the PS to work correctly. The network problems (read above) didn't help.

Conclusion

I've said that Dreamhost have given me more than I've paid for. This is especially true if you compare them to the cheap hosts in Finland. They have some cool features, and keep adding more nice stuff. DH is great for development, backups and hosting non-critical hobby sites. They've given me two of years of relatively worry-free and cheap hosting, which was nice because I didn't have the budget for much more.

However, I haven't recommended Dreamhost for serious/business hosting, and I still don't. The reliability just isn't there. Their network is occasionally slow, and they seem to have issues with the CISCO routers. They're growing and trying to build a bigger network, which causes some growing pains.

Dreamhost has attitude (in the most positive meaning of the word), and they've always been polite and friendly.

Lately the reliability has not been good. I could give you an uptime percent, but that probably wouldn't be fair, since I've had some PS-related problems that other users don't see.

I've seriously considered moving some site to a VPS/semidedi. For this price, the problems are not "ridiculous", but they're getting intolerable. However, it's likely that I keep the Dreamhost account.


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Old 09-02-2007, 10:07 AM
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If you are paying $130/year at dreamhost you can do much better on a VPS.

I played around with Dreamhost when they had a $20/year promo account and I am dumbfounded how slow they are at times, how high the loads are, and that people would pay $130/year for that.

Dreamhosts's biggest weakness is their filesystem. It allows them to give out gobs of (mostly useless) diskspace but it's very, very slow. If you are using programs like wordpress with dozens of included files, it takes a (relatively) long time to get any page rendering out compared to a VPS with it's own local raid system.

If you do your research on a VPS you'll be much happier.

If you do stick with dreamhost, be sure to lookup how to run eaccelertor via fastcgi on their setup. Helps the performance somewhat.

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Old 09-02-2007, 10:13 AM
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aww,

$130 a year would be about $21 a month for a VPS. There isn't much in that pricerange that is going to be remotely satisfactory..

Thank you for the excellent review Kapina! I've always been a fan of Dreamhost and for their size, they're not talked about much surprisingly

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Old 09-02-2007, 10:35 AM
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Actually that's $11/month.

Anyway, it's nice that someone realizes that they can't get the world for such a cheap price. It's good to hear they're doing all right.

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Old 09-02-2007, 10:59 AM
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If you are paying $130/year at dreamhost you can do much better on a VPS.
Actually it's closer to $180/year. It's not the cheapest account they have. Add the cost of the Private Server.

Sorry, but I probably can't do much better on similarly priced VPS. I have heavy image galleries that consume quite much memory. If VPS-ish system with minimum memory allocations isn't working, true low-end VPS can't be much better.

But as I said, I'm considering.

Fortunately my server or the mounted file servers haven't been really slow. Of course, you could end up on a busy cluster.

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$130 a year would be about $21 a month for a VPS.
I guess that's a typo, my math says $11/mo. But that's absolutely correct, even for $21/mo.

Thanks, David!

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Old 09-02-2007, 11:11 AM
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I guess that's a typo, my math says $11/mo. But that's absolutely correct, even for $21/mo.

Thanks, David!
It's early, my apologies! At $11 a month you're even more worse off. I wouldn't trust a VPS provider with anything less than $40 a month -- the infrastructure costs for a proper VPS system can be truly painful

If they're cheaping it, you would feel it.
Enjoy Dreamhost & be sure to return within a year with some more reviews!

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Old 09-02-2007, 12:01 PM
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Oh sorry I didn't mean you could get a VPS for $130. You'll definitely have to spend more for a VPS. But you'll also get more performance-wise. Much more.

If you are only running one site you should even stick with shared hosting, but compare performance.

Also, when checking out hosts, considering your location and slow connection issues, you should test candidates with worldwide round-trip ping timing from sites like watchmouse.com/en/ping.php

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Old 09-02-2007, 02:08 PM
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Nice update kapina. It took a while to read it, but it was well worth it. I imagine it took a lot longer to write it, so you definitely deserve some kudos for that.

Kudos!

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Old 09-02-2007, 02:29 PM
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Nice review there.

One of the more positive for Dreamhost. Its actually the first I've seen on the PS.

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Old 09-03-2007, 04:09 AM
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Thanks!


You're both right. I wouldn't be looking for an entry level VPS. Perhaps a semidedi or a cheap server would do. They're around 100-120 euro (roughly $135-160) here, not sure about the US price level.

One point for Dreamhost: even if their control panel is a bit quirky at times, it's easy to manage everything. I'm a lazy guy and this is a hobby, which is why I'm trying to resist this idea of getting a server.

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Old 09-03-2007, 04:33 AM
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It is a good review kapina, as long the user feel nice and satisfy with the service, the price is not the main problem any more. Some how, if you still have a news please do always share with us. Thanks

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Old 09-04-2007, 02:05 AM
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Hey Kapina,

Thanks for the review of Dreamhost. I've been wondering about the DreamhostPS service. I left Dreamhost because of how slow my Joomla! sites run on their servers. But lately I've been getting frustrated with my current host and I am considering maybe going back to Dreamhost. Do the sites load a lot faster on DreamhostPS?

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Old 09-04-2007, 02:07 AM
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aww,

$130 a year would be about $21 a month for a VPS. There isn't much in that pricerange that is going to be remotely satisfactory..

Thank you for the excellent review Kapina! I've always been a fan of Dreamhost and for their size, they're not talked about much surprisingly
$10.83 to be precise per month and no way can you get a decent vps for even $25 a month. VPS infrastructure costs money to maintain, lets not forget licensing, bandwidth costs etc.

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Old 09-04-2007, 03:48 AM
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Thanks for the review of Dreamhost. I've been wondering about the DreamhostPS service. I left Dreamhost because of how slow my Joomla! sites run on their servers. But lately I've been getting frustrated with my current host and I am considering maybe going back to Dreamhost. Do the sites load a lot faster on DreamhostPS?
It depends. On PS you have dedicated CPU and memory, but the MySQL and file servers are the same (as far as I know). And if there's a network problem, nothing helps.

If the problem is in the PHP side, this might work for you. I'm just guessing here, but MySQL connections could be the problem in your case. Some Content Management Systems make a ton of queries, especially if your site is a bit more complicated (contains more content blocks or whatever they're called).

However, my sites seem to run faster with PS. BUT I'm somewhere in between 300Mhz/MB and 400Mhz/MB. That translates to $30-40/mo PLUS the shared hosting fee.

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This is basically paying Dreamhost to not oversell your "hosting" server, but doesn't work for the other services.

Conclusion - I could get a cheap german server or a good VPS for little more.


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Old 09-04-2007, 05:16 PM
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Nice review, kapina. I got the Private-Server email a few weeks back (I think), but never really bothered trying it out. Is there actually any really significant/noticeable improvement in performance?

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