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  1. #1
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    Best Ping Speeds for Australians

    I have reseller accounts on servers at Burst and DV2 and while Burst is ****e and DV2 is stable, both are slow...with DV2 around 50ms slower on average.

    Im wondering if any Aussies can recommend anyone that does good DED packages with better speeds, and good to perfect uptime at a good or great price??? Im looking for packages with WHM/Cpanel or similar that i can use for reseller accounts.

    Im based in Country Victoria and my clients are all over the place.

    Is there any datacentres in the US that can get better than 250ms???

    Any advice you can offer would be great.
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    perfect uptime
    Expect to pay more than US$99 per month and you should be ok...... try rackspace, much more than US$99 per month but VERY reliable lol

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    Last edited by edude; 07-25-2002 at 10:45 AM.

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    http://fastservers.net (he.net) has great connectivity to asia/au...

    edit -> There is also http://www.maxim.net (Hostcentric.com) They aslo have good connectivity from asia/au...
    Last edited by citrus; 07-25-2002 at 04:43 PM.
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    We get good speeds and solid performance out of Rackshack Steve. None of the others we're using are performing as good at this point in time.

    --- 216.40.***.** ping statistics ---
    14 packets transmitted, 14 packets received, 0% packet loss
    round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 232.904/235.975/246.915/3.852 ms

    Regards

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    I don't necessarily think ping times are a huge factor in determining a site's speed - sure it affects the initial response, but the thruput is the main factor.

    Anyway, from "descartes" here in Sydney (Optus Cable) to the server at Rackshack (hosting account purchased from Gary/Editor).

    --- 216.40.xxx.xxx ping statistics ---
    10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 209.161/211.463/214.818/1.865 ms

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    Try site5.com
    nac.net has excellent connectivity..

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    We have several Australian customers, they seem quite pleased. We're right next to MAE EAST, I'd be curious how our ping times compare with some of the others you check out. Ping to our server or some of our busy customers www.soloserver.com, www.wjla.com, www.marchofdimes.com.

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    Not quite as good a response as we get down here from our Rackshack boxes mate:

    PING www.soloserver.com (216.250.224.10) from 210.15.200.138 : 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=0 ttl=234 time=286.555 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=1 ttl=234 time=290.668 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=2 ttl=234 time=292.738 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=4 ttl=234 time=336.545 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=5 ttl=234 time=292.218 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=6 ttl=234 time=283.592 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=7 ttl=234 time=301.158 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=8 ttl=234 time=311.790 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=9 ttl=234 time=322.195 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=10 ttl=234 time=325.064 msec
    64 bytes from admin.irides.com (216.250.224.10): icmp_seq=11 ttl=234 time=310.570 msec

    --- www.soloserver.com ping statistics ---
    13 packets transmitted, 12 packets received, 7% packet loss
    round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 283.592/306.081/336.545/16.610 ms

    Cheers

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    I use DV2 and maybe your pings may not be supa fast like you're wanting (because of the distance and hops) but I can get constant 1.5MB downloads to the server and off the server even at peak times, so I think they are pretty good value for money.
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    I use DV2 and maybe your pings may not be supa fast like you're wanting (because of the distance and hops) but I can get constant 1.5MB downloads to the server and off the server even at peak times, so I think they are pretty good value for money.
    Ditto

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    Thanks for the info everyone....

    Gary, ive heard all sorts of rumors about rackshack being bad and having and causing all sorts of problems...i take it from your experience this isnt the case. Plus 235ms avg looks good...certainly a lot better than DV2.

    I had a look at rackspace as well and they looked ok but i dont really know anything about them, or many of the others listed here....

    I also looked at NAC and everyone ive talked to seemed to be happy about them as well.

    My biggest concern is a couple of portal sites that get well over 100,000 hits per month, a lot of this via YaBBSE based forums. I have a lot of customers and users on 56k who complain that the sites load too slowly...especially the forums (hence thats why im looking for what will give the fastest responses times without comprimising uptime etc...)

    I guess im a bit more educated now.

    Thanks everyone
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    I'm getting 270-280 from NAC right now, and around 240 from rackspace is normal. Obviously these are just one off ping checks and really wouldn't be a true indication of sustained performance. We've had in excess of 120 days uptime out of Rackshack (prior to a round of hard drive upgrades) and cannot fault them.

    Cheers

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    Originally posted by Snowman30
    My biggest concern is a couple of portal sites that get well over 100,000 hits per month, a lot of this via YaBBSE based forums. I have a lot of customers and users on 56k who complain that the sites load too slowly...especially the forums (hence thats why im looking for what will give the fastest responses times without comprimising uptime etc...)
    Looks like you need your own box for that one. Having that forum on a shared box will slow it down to no end. Get a smallish server from a supplier in NAC [site5, pwebtech]. You could pick up a smallish server for around the $200/mth that would serve your needs ok. Contact them via email [forget about their websites - always deal via email] and ask for a server that's about to come off a lease and you'll get a good deal.
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    woops Gary you said rackspace not rackshack....LOL there is a big difference...
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    No, I meant rackspace.

    Rackspace is 24 hops and ~240 pings from Canberra.telstra.net whilst there's 19 hops and a slightly quicker ping response time to a box we have at Rackshack. I have no doubt rackspace is a fine provider, but I can only comment on what we're seeing and the uptime that we've had out of rackshack.

    Cheers

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    he.net = 14 hops - 200 ms
    staminus.net = 8 hops 175 ms

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    he.net is usually better than this:

    traceroute to he.net (216.218.186.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 FastEthernet6-0.civ-service1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.1.65) 0.425 ms 0.473 ms 0.408 ms
    2 GigabitEthernet0-0-0.civ-core2.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.10.129) 0.348 ms 0.371 ms 0.353 ms
    3 GigabitEthernet4-0-0.dkn-core1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.6.126) 0.537 ms 0.569 ms 0.742 ms
    4 Pos4-0.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.121) 3.99 ms 4.025 ms 3.875 ms
    5 Pos2-0.pad-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.22) 4.294 ms 3.971 ms 3.968 ms
    6 GigabitEthernet0-0.syd-core01.Sydney.net.reach.com (203.50.13.242) 4.04 ms 4.076 ms 4.01 ms
    7 202.84.143.21 (202.84.143.21) 191.442 ms 191.286 ms 191.362 ms
    8 202.84.143.58 (202.84.143.58) 257.219 ms 257.114 ms 257.144 ms
    9 202.84.143.86 (202.84.143.86) 289.446 ms 289.732 ms 289.275 ms
    10 POS1-0.nyx01.NewYork.net.reach.com (202.40.148.98) 289.59 ms 289.227 ms 289.487 ms
    11 nyiix.he.net (198.32.160.61) 289.533 ms 290.126 ms 289.602 ms
    12 216.218.255.249 (216.218.255.249) 318.416 ms 318.581 ms 319.864 ms
    13 * * *
    14 he.net (216.218.186.2) 263.587 ms 264.062 ms 263.841 ms

    Nice results here though:

    traceroute to staminus.net (65.215.220.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 FastEthernet6-0.civ-service1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.1.65) 0.533 ms 0.375 ms 0.398 ms
    2 GigabitEthernet0-0-0.civ-core2.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.10.129) 0.368 ms 0.301 ms 0.361 ms
    3 GigabitEthernet4-0-0.dkn-core1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.6.126) 0.636 ms 0.502 ms 0.533 ms
    4 Pos4-1.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.69) 3.872 ms 3.987 ms 3.975 ms
    5 Pos2-0.pad-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.22) 4.091 ms 4.152 ms 4.011 ms
    6 GigabitEthernet0-1.syd-core01.Sydney.net.reach.com (203.50.13.246) 4.04 ms 3.994 ms 3.931 ms
    7 202.84.143.5 (202.84.143.5) 191.5 ms 191.522 ms 191.545 ms
    8 i-13-0.paix-core01.PaloAlto.net.reach.com (202.84.251.49) 174.997 ms 174.976 ms 174.835 ms
    9 i-1-0.paix04.PaloAlto.net.reach.com (202.84.251.20) 175.093 ms 174.962 ms 174.856 ms
    10 Serial2-4.GW9.PAO1.ALTER.NET (157.130.194.73) 203.62 ms 203.884 ms 203.71 ms
    11 172.ATM2-0.XR1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.74) 181.926 ms 182.336 ms 181.992 ms
    12 0.so-0-0-0.XL1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.73) 180.742 ms 180.394 ms 180.42 ms
    13 0.so-0-0-0.TL1.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.1.9) 203.482 ms 203.622 ms 203.29 ms
    14 0.so-2-0-0.TL1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.0.97) 181.776 ms 181.283 ms 181.258 ms
    15 0.so-1-0-0.XL1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.115.141) 183.191 ms 183.009 ms 183.224 ms
    16 0.so-3-0-0.XR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.115.157) 181.936 ms 181.755 ms 181.935 ms
    17 191.ATM6-0.GW1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.113.25) 181.396 ms 181.313 ms 181.771 ms
    18 Staminus-gw.customer.ALTER.NET (157.130.225.166) 204.947 ms 209.445 ms 205.53 ms
    19 core01.irv.staminus.net (65.215.220.2) 204.621 ms 208.063 ms 207.617 ms
    20 web1.staminus.net (65.215.220.10) 194.185 ms 189.641 ms 190.073 ms

    Cheers

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    staminus.net

    1 hsrp.syd.pacific.net.au (61.8.0.100) 0.927 ms 0.380 ms 0.688 ms
    2 f0-1-100.syd003.pacific.net.au (210.23.140.253) 1.838 ms 2.382 ms 3.035 ms
    3 203.208.148.177 (203.208.148.177) 4.137 ms 3.271 ms 1.878 ms
    4 203.208.171.213 (203.208.171.213) 2.305 ms 2.678 ms 1.367 ms
    5 203.208.154.49 (203.208.154.49) 155.799 ms 155.142 ms 184.075 ms
    6 sl-gw8-sj-1-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.44.105) 177.100 ms 157.859 ms 155.735 ms
    7 sl-bb25-sj-6-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.113) 156.705 ms 156.442 ms 157.822 ms
    8 sl-bb24-sj-15-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.217) 156.900 ms 157.337 ms 156.877 ms
    9 sl-bb20-ana-6-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.100) 167.312 ms 166.628 ms 174.772 ms
    10 sl-gw23-ana-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.46) 191.937 ms 171.450 ms 197.057 ms
    11 sl-savvis-14-0.sprintlink.net (160.81.103.46) 169.527 ms 169.707 ms 169.408 ms
    12 stamin-1.savvis-internet.uslsan2-j20c.savvis.net.66.240.64.in-ad (64.240.66.6) 177.887 ms 177.108 ms 184.925 ms
    13 core01.irv.staminus.net (65.215.220.2) 217.563 ms 172.922 ms 173.620 ms
    14 web1.staminus.net (65.215.220.10) 187.549 ms 176.731 ms 173.790 ms

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    Well I guess that the best US location for a server catering to AU clients is going to be anyone on the US west coast with which telsra directly peers. I'm not smart enough to know who they might be

    But I will also say this. I've got one customer who is "testing me out" after having been with a shared host using rackspace because he reckons that some AU customers just couldn't connect to his site without timeouts. Is it also a question of the number of hops and not just the ping times. I mean, I have tracerouted to some US dedi host and come close to 30 hops - imagine if I was behind a corporate firewall/complex private network at my end!

    I am very curious to know how the other aussie hosts here that use nac.net and pwebtech find it suites their AU clients, because right now - even though I do not specifically market web hosting per se - I seem to have a stream of aussie web site owners approaching me on word of mouth looking for a better deal on their web hosting.

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    and the result?

    is there agreement on who provides the best ping speed / least amount of hops for sites hosted in the US accessed from Australia?

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    Staminus in my opinion, can't get any better than 14 hops and 173 ms!

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    Whats staminus.net like support and uptime wise???
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    Originally posted by edude
    Staminus in my opinion, can't get any better than 14 hops and 173 ms!
    http://www.telstra.net/cgi-bin/trace?staminus.net

    20 hops to Staminus, compared to 19 right now to a box we have at Rackshack.

    Cheers

    Gary

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    they are the same hops I got...

    and pinging between staminus and rackshack client results in one being better, then reversing next time I try !

    so close.... hard to decide....
    support and reliability are the factors now I guess!

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    I get

    20 web1.staminus.net (65.215.220.10) 187.199 ms 191.262 ms 187.059 ms

    From behind a tighter than a ducks arse firewall in Sydney Australia coming off the optus network

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    this may help you find how your site performs

    from various access points around the world.

    I would be interested to see anyone get the results for staminus.net and rackshack.net (preferably admin from those sites)


    http://www.avoka.com/forms/freetrial.shtml

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    well they certainly are better speeds than what i get from DV2.

    RackShack dont offer CPanel do they??? i have a few resellers that i want to move to a faster location as well, and id prefer not to go thru the whole drama of changing over everything like that.
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    Originally posted by Snowman30
    RackShack dont offer CPanel do they??? i have a few resellers that i want to move to a faster location as well, and id prefer not to go thru the whole drama of changing over everything like that.
    Rackshack do not ( as of yet ) provide or support cPanel, however you can get a plain redhat box and install it yourself. We have done this in the past, however we no longer do new business with RS for various reasons unrelated to this thread.

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    The 20 hops to staminus is uunet hops inside the U.S, hardly a difference of 1-2 ms between each one.

    12 0.so-0-0-0.XL1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.73) 182.134 ms 181.912 ms 181.982 ms
    13 0.so-0-0-0.TL1.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.1.9) 199.342 ms 199.228 ms 199.024 ms
    14 0.so-2-0-0.TL1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.0.97) 182.474 ms 182.415 ms 182.35 ms
    15 0.so-1-0-0.XL1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.115.141) 182.953 ms 182.79 ms 182.797 ms
    16 0.so-3-0-0.XR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.115.157) 181.284 ms 181.14 ms 181.334 ms
    17 191.ATM6-0.GW1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.113.25) 181.165 ms 181.392 ms 180.875 ms

    So no big deal, also depends on your ISP...

    I get:

    1 hsrp.syd.pacific.net.au (61.8.0.100) 0.927 ms 0.380 ms 0.688 ms
    2 f0-1-100.syd003.pacific.net.au (210.23.140.253) 1.838 ms 2.382 ms 3.035 ms
    3 203.208.148.177 (203.208.148.177) 4.137 ms 3.271 ms 1.878 ms
    4 203.208.171.213 (203.208.171.213) 2.305 ms 2.678 ms 1.367 ms
    5 203.208.154.49 (203.208.154.49) 155.799 ms 155.142 ms 184.075 ms
    6 sl-gw8-sj-1-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.44.105) 177.100 ms 157.859 ms 155.735 ms
    7 sl-bb25-sj-6-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.113) 156.705 ms 156.442 ms 157.822 ms
    8 sl-bb24-sj-15-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.217) 156.900 ms 157.337 ms 156.877 ms
    9 sl-bb20-ana-6-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.100) 167.312 ms 166.628 ms 174.772 ms
    10 sl-gw23-ana-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.46) 191.937 ms 171.450 ms 197.057 ms
    11 sl-savvis-14-0.sprintlink.net (160.81.103.46) 169.527 ms 169.707 ms 169.408 ms
    12 stamin-1.savvis-internet.uslsan2-j20c.savvis.net.66.240.64.in-ad (64.240.66.6) 177.887 ms 177.108 ms 184.925 ms
    13 core01.irv.staminus.net (65.215.220.2) 217.563 ms 172.922 ms 173.620 ms
    14 web1.staminus.net (65.215.220.10) 187.549 ms 176.731 ms 173.790 ms


    Also i can't traceroute rackshack its timing out now.


    Originally posted by Editor


    http://www.telstra.net/cgi-bin/trace?staminus.net

    20 hops to Staminus, compared to 19 right now to a box we have at Rackshack.

    Cheers

    Gary

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    traceroute to rackshack.net (207.218.223.142), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 FastEthernet6-0.civ-service1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.1.65) 0.498 ms 0.449 ms 0.421 ms
    2 GigabitEthernet0-0-0.civ-core2.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.10.129) 0.402 ms 0.352 ms 0.428 ms
    3 GigabitEthernet4-0-0.dkn-core1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.6.126) 0.621 ms 0.5 ms 0.61 ms
    4 Pos4-0.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.121) 4.021 ms 3.91 ms 3.876 ms
    5 Pos2-0.pad-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.22) 3.992 ms 4.03 ms 4.039 ms
    6 GigabitEthernet0-1.syd-core01.Sydney.net.reach.com (203.50.13.246) 4.029 ms 4.034 ms 4.117 ms
    7 202.84.143.21 (202.84.143.21) 191.279 ms 191.314 ms 191.309 ms
    8 i-13-0.paix-core01.PaloAlto.net.reach.com (202.84.251.49) 174.81 ms 174.823 ms 175.097 ms
    9 sntcca2lce1.wcg.net (198.32.176.139) 175.09 ms 174.826 ms 174.905 ms
    10 sntcca2lce1-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.210.177) 175.569 ms 175.437 ms 175.378 ms
    11 snfcca1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.199.73) 175.59 ms 175.605 ms 176.248 ms
    12 anhmca1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.240.1) 187.36 ms 187.275 ms 187.382 ms
    13 anhmca1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.143.73) 187.58 ms 187.603 ms 187.377 ms
    14 dllstx1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.240.5) 218.042 ms 218.323 ms 218.073 ms
    15 dllstx1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.110.77) 218.125 ms 218.156 ms dllstx1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.110.133) 218.351 ms
    16 dllstx1wcx1-intcomm-pos.wcg.net (64.200.111.178) 223.99 ms 223.959 ms 223.924 ms
    17 * * *
    18

    From the Telstra link...

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    It's still the same. You wont get any answer from rackshack.net itself.

    traceroute to 216.40.xxx.xx (216.40.xxx.xx), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 FastEthernet6-0.civ-service1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.1.65) 0.461 ms 0.481 ms 0.329 ms
    2 GigabitEthernet0-0-0.civ-core2.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.10.129) 0.521 ms 0.283 ms 0.28 ms
    3 GigabitEthernet4-0-0.dkn-core1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.6.126) 0.581 ms 0.464 ms 0.451 ms
    4 Pos4-0.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.121) 3.875 ms 4.412 ms 3.861 ms
    5 Pos2-0.pad-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.22) 4.189 ms 3.983 ms 3.89 ms
    6 GigabitEthernet0-1.syd-core01.Sydney.net.reach.com (203.50.13.246) 4.034 ms 4.017 ms 4.012 ms
    7 202.84.143.21 (202.84.143.21) 191.164 ms 191.212 ms 191.292 ms
    8 i-13-0.paix-core01.PaloAlto.net.reach.com (202.84.251.49) 174.73 ms 174.973 ms 174.909 ms
    9 sntcca2lce1.wcg.net (198.32.176.139) 174.924 ms 175.022 ms 174.956 ms
    10 sntcca2lce1-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.210.177) 175.631 ms 175.433 ms 175.441 ms
    11 snfcca1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.199.73) 175.408 ms 175.442 ms 175.422 ms
    12 anhmca1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.240.1) 187.55 ms 187.558 ms 187.727 ms
    13 anhmca1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.143.73) 187.38 ms 187.476 ms 187.399 ms
    14 dllstx1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.240.5) 218.028 ms 218.029 ms 218.048 ms
    15 dllstx1wcx2-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.110.73) 218.027 ms 218.206 ms 218.203 ms
    16 dllstx1wcx1-intcomm-pos.wcg.net (64.200.111.178) 223.802 ms 224.32 ms 223.937 ms
    17 64.200.162.2 (64.200.162.2) 224.243 ms 224.237 ms 224.43 ms
    18 207.218.223.34 (207.218.223.34) 221.966 ms 221.621 ms 221.816 ms
    19 216.40.xxx.xx (216.40.xxx.xx) 222.001 ms 221.968 ms 221.854 ms

    =============================

    traceroute to staminus.net (65.215.220.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 FastEthernet6-0.civ-service1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.1.65) 0.441 ms 0.364 ms 0.328 ms
    2 GigabitEthernet0-0-0.civ-core2.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.10.129) 0.411 ms 0.374 ms 0.289 ms
    3 GigabitEthernet4-0-0.dkn-core1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.6.126) 0.591 ms 0.442 ms 0.494 ms
    4 Pos4-1.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.69) 3.997 ms 3.886 ms 4.017 ms
    5 Pos2-0.pad-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.22) 4.067 ms 3.946 ms 3.936 ms
    6 GigabitEthernet0-1.syd-core01.Sydney.net.reach.com (203.50.13.246) 4.147 ms 4.058 ms 4.009 ms
    7 202.84.143.5 (202.84.143.5) 191.328 ms 191.361 ms 191.461 ms
    8 i-13-0.paix-core01.PaloAlto.net.reach.com (202.84.251.49) 174.909 ms 174.733 ms 174.783 ms
    9 i-1-0.paix04.PaloAlto.net.reach.com (202.84.251.20) 174.751 ms 174.667 ms 174.909 ms
    10 Serial2-4.GW9.PAO1.ALTER.NET (157.130.194.73) 181.52 ms 181.61 ms 181.393 ms
    11 172.ATM2-0.XR1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.74) 181.798 ms 181.802 ms 182.115 ms
    12 0.so-0-0-0.XL1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.73) 181.823 ms 181.924 ms 181.994 ms
    13 0.so-0-0-0.TL1.SCL2.ALTER.NET (152.63.1.9) 199.176 ms 199.124 ms 199.246 ms
    14 0.so-2-0-0.TL1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.0.97) 217.756 ms 217.572 ms 217.878 ms
    15 0.so-1-0-0.XL1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.115.141) 223.432 ms 223.449 ms 223.269 ms
    16 0.so-3-0-0.XR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.115.157) 223.771 ms 223.545 ms 223.959 ms
    17 191.ATM6-0.GW1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.113.25) 216.548 ms 216.865 ms 216.403 ms
    18 Staminus-gw.customer.ALTER.NET (157.130.225.166) 231.623 ms 227.823 ms 233.568 ms
    19 core01.irv.staminus.net (65.215.220.2) 230.326 ms 230.213 ms 230.717 ms
    20 web1.staminus.net (65.215.220.10) 231.675 ms 227.534 ms 232.961 ms

  33. #33
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    traceroute to staminus.net (65.215.220.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 fastethernet9-0-0.bdr2.syd.connect.com.au (192.189.54.55) 1.363 ms 1.878 ms 1.082 ms
    2 g2-0-2.sybr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.97) 2.376 ms 1.784 ms 1.592 ms
    3 p4-4.pabr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.194) 172.052 ms 157.954 ms 157.884 ms
    4 g0-0-0-0.pabr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.245.24) 160.783 ms 159.793 ms 160.334 ms
    5 sl-st20-pa-6-3.sprintlink.net (144.223.243.17) 158.269 ms 158.711 ms 158.406 ms
    6 sl-st21-pa-13-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.35) 158.855 ms 158.762 ms 158.644 ms
    7 sl-bb24-sj-5-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.41) 158.724 ms 158.435 ms 159.691 ms
    8 sl-bb20-ana-6-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.100) 161.062 ms 161.485 ms 161.216 ms
    9 sl-gw23-ana-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.46) 161.234 ms 160.795 ms 161.74 ms
    10 sl-savvis-14-0.sprintlink.net (160.81.103.46) 163.995 ms 163.717 ms 163.902 ms
    11 stamin-1.savvis-internet.uslsan2-j20c.savvis.net.66.240.64.in-addr.arpa (64.240.66.6) 173.042 ms 171.152 ms 180.987 ms
    12 core01.irv.staminus.net (65.215.220.2) 180.646 ms 172.508 ms 181.068 ms
    13 web1.staminus.net (65.215.220.10) 172.477 ms 171.738 ms 181.212 ms

    http://proxy1.syd.connect.com.au/cgi...i?staminus.net

  34. #34
    Originally posted by edude
    he.net = 14 hops - 200 ms
    staminus.net = 8 hops 175 ms
    SO, who the heck are staminus. I'm looking at their website - nice prices. More infor please (as I go running off to hit the search button).

  35. #35
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    15 (172.483 ms) to RS.

    In any case, my point was there's not much in them.

    Cheers

    Gary

  36. #36
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    Hmm well my question was definately answered....

    they are both well and truly faster than DV2 and Burst and NAC.

    Hmm might have to do a bit on further investigation into both, and maybe rackspace as well.

    I have only have a few resellers so far, and a few hosting clients but i would like to expand a bit.

    I guess from a cost for bandwith point of view Rack Shack are the cheapest....and i hadnt even thought of getting a bare box and installing Cpanel my self....DOH how stupid of me!
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    Staminus is a provider of dedicated hosting/colocation, the owner posts on this forum. I have a server with them and plan on getting another one sometime soon.

    hehe editor this is fun

    How about from the U.S:

    RACKSHACK_

    3 130.152.80.30 3.973 ms isi-1-lngw2-pos.ln.net [AS226] Los Nettos origin AS
    4 198.32.146.21 11.577 ms mae-la.above.net [AS226] Los Nettos origin AS
    5 208.185.156.10 13.897 ms pos3-3.mpr2.lax2.us.mfnx.net [AS6461] Primary AS for Abovenet
    6 208.185.156.125 11.413 ms pos2-0.mpr1.sjc2.us.mfnx.net [AS6461] Primary AS for Abovenet
    7 208.184.102.202 11.987 ms so-1-1-0.mpr4.sjc2.us.mfnx.net [AS6461] Primary AS for Abovenet
    8 208.185.175.162 11.590 ms pos6-0.mpr2.pao1.us.mfnx.net [AS6461] Primary AS for Abovenet
    9 64.124.11.181 16.454 ms 64.124.11.181.cogentco.com (DNS error) [AS6461] Primary AS for Abovenet
    10 66.28.4.149 13.660 ms p6-0.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (DNS error) [AS16631] Unknown
    11 66.28.4.133 52.061 ms p14-0.core02.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (DNS error) [AS16631] Unknown
    12 66.28.4.25 52.002 ms p15-0.core01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (DNS error) [AS16631] Unknown
    13 66.28.4.98 52.032 ms p13-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (DNS error) [AS16631] Unknown
    14 66.28.66.238 52.313 ms g8.ba21.b000605-0.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (DNS error) [AS16631] Unknown
    15 66.28.28.210 52.973 ms Everyones-Internet.demarc.cogentco.com (DNS error) [AS16631] Unknown
    16 207.218.223.17 53.679 ms DNS error [AS13749] Everyones Internet
    17 207.218.223.142 53.296 ms www.rackshack.net [AS13749] Everyones Internet


    STAMINUS_

    3 130.152.80.30 5.256 ms isi-1-lngw2-pos.ln.net [AS226] Los Nettos origin AS
    4 4.24.4.249 4.134 ms gigabitethernet5-0.lsanca1-cr3.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
    5 4.24.4.2 9.918 ms p6-0.lsanca1-cr6.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
    6 4.24.5.49 4.779 ms p6-0.lsanca2-br1.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
    7 4.25.112.1 6.303 ms p1-0.lsanca2-cr2.bbnplanet.net [AS1] GTE Internetworking
    8 204.255.169.117 7.806 ms DNS error [AS701] Alternet
    9 152.63.113.18 9.941 ms 0.so-0-1-0.XL2.LAX9.ALTER.NET [AS701] Alternet
    10 152.63.115.165 8.087 ms 0.so-3-0-0.XR2.LAX9.ALTER.NET [AS701] Alternet
    11 152.63.113.37 5.519 ms 190.ATM5-0.GW1.LAX9.ALTER.NET [AS701] Alternet
    12 157.130.225.166 31.514 ms Staminus-gw.customer.ALTER.NET (DNS error) [AS701] Alternet
    13 65.215.220.2 30.369 ms core01.irv.staminus.net [AS25761] Unknown
    14 65.215.220.10 8.628 ms web1.staminus.net [AS25761] Unknown

    http://www.samspade.org/t/trace?a=rackshack.net
    http://www.samspade.org/t/trace?a=staminus.net

    Originally posted by freakysid


    SO, who the heck are staminus. I'm looking at their website - nice prices. More infor please (as I go running off to hit the search button).

  38. #38
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    Nope, that's like comparing Brisbane to Sydney and to Melbourne. Pointless. Keep refreshing those samspade URL's and they'll keep on changing.

    I'm finished.

    Gary

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    I guess so depends where samspade is etc..

    aww there goes my fun, please come back Gary!

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    Telstra used to peer directly with UUnet via 1-hop trans-pacific to Los Angeles. The total hop count used to be somewhere around 8 with average latency of 150 over UUnet. Ever since they changed their network structure to peer out of Palo Alto, Telstra (Reach) added a slower trans-pacific which they now use, and UUnet added a series of in-California hops. In turn, latency was increased to roughly 200 ms and hop-count was increased to about 20.
    Matt Mahvi
    Staminus, Infrastructure DDoS Protection and Appliances
    @ 200+ Gbps global ddos mitigation network. Local or Remote. Proxy, GRE, and direct cross connects.
    @ Available in Amsterdam, New York, Los Angeles and Orange County. Anycast BGP.

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