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07-21-2002, 10:34 PM #1Newbie
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IP Address vs. Shared IP Address vs. Sub-Domain Address ... Help !!
I am a new reseller to the market and I am having some challenges Shared IPs vs. Sub-domains vs. IPs
I have just joined up with a company that offers reselling ...
In the investigation of their services, I found out that they use "shared IP" addresses rather than just IP addresses.
They assured me that shared IPs are not the same as a subdomain (a shared IP address with this company looks like this: http://210.56.270.139:2290) The last 4 digits, I guess, is what identifies an individual domain ...
Since it takes several days to get a url to point to the server inwhich my account resides, I requested that they give me the real path so I could see the site live before the url change resolved to the internet. They sent me a url similar to this (so I could see the site live on the internet ):
http://209.51.138.234:2086/~myaccount/
Now this looks exactly like a subdomain to me.
The reason I am trying to seriously pin this down is I want to know what I would be selling so I don't mislead potential customers. Also, I am concerned about what a shared IP (if this really isn't considered a subdomain address) vs. an IP does in search engine placement.
I want a domain to look like a full fledged domain rather than what a domain would look like in the url on a subdomain that just has a gripper pointing to a subdomain.
Can anybody help me clear this up? It's been difficult finding specific info on this !!
Many Thanks!
Robin Ray
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07-21-2002, 10:58 PM #2Disabled
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valid points. If my site is sharing an IP, I would also be concerned as to what 'other' website types share that IP address.
ie: if it's loaded with adult sites or FFA farm's etc.. it could get banned from the engines (that IP)
The host masters hopefully, will step up here and give us some good input on this topic. It's very valid.
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07-21-2002, 11:03 PM #3Web Hosting Guru
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A sub domain is sub.domain.com so the example you give of http://209.51.234:2986/~myaccount is not a sub domain.
The ":2290" part, is a port number not the thing that identifies individual domains. Typically most web servers run on port 80 or 8080 so the IP address would be 123.123.123.123:80 however, as the server knows that the web site is running on port 80 you don't need to include the port with the IP address.
Shared hosting (shared IP) is common and the most preferred way to host web sites. Really the only time you need a dedicated IP address is when you have an SSL certifice, you run true annonymous FTP services, and for name servers. To host web sites in their basic form - no SSL etc - then shared hosting is more than adequate.
When the domain progegates to the name server, the DNS and BIND of the server knows how to work it all out for you so that is sends www.domain1.com to the right place and sends www.domain2.com to the right place, even though both domains utilise the same IP address for web services.
No one will know just by looking at the domain that you are on a shared IP address.
From what you have said, it looks like your host is doing everything right, and you have nothing to worry about
edited for typosLast edited by reseller; 07-21-2002 at 11:19 PM.
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07-21-2002, 11:10 PM #4Newbie
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Many Thanks for your reply! Very helpful information and I sincerely appreciate it.
Another part of this: Do you know what the IP vs. Shared IP does to search engine placement?
Say a customer of mine moves their site from a dedicated IP and has excellent search engine placement: Would moving to my service under the same url (or course) hurt her search engine placement?
Thanks again!
Robin Ray
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07-21-2002, 11:14 PM #5Web Hosting Guru
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Originally posted by SiteTutor
valid points. If my site is sharing an IP, I would also be concerned as to what 'other' website types share that IP address.
ie: if it's loaded with adult sites or FFA farm's etc.. it could get banned from the engines (that IP)
The host masters hopefully, will step up here and give us some good input on this topic. It's very valid.
Having said that tough, there is a chance a non-adult site will have it's associated IP addressed listed in things like spamcop etc. The reason? Even non-adult clients can spam. Spam is one of the biggest reason to have a site/IP black listed.
Certainly as a reseller or even an end user with a single web site, you can't control who else is sharing your IP address, that ultimately is up to the web host, all you have to do is hope that your web host is a good one and will do their best to ensure things like spam are avaioded. Most hosts, have anti-spam that state the account will be disabled if any spam is sent.
There just aren't enough IP addresses available in the world to allow every single web site in existance to have it's own unique IP address. Shared Ip hosting (the protocol is HTTP 1.1 was developed to account for that). 99.99% of the time you wont have a problem being on a shared IP address.
The various places that regulate IP address use, and who control who gets what IP address, stipulate that the use of dedicated IP addresses must be for a valid reason only. Things such as "hosting a web site" are not considered a valid reason to have a dedicated IP. Good reference point in this regard is ARIN
*edited for typos - damn typos*Last edited by reseller; 07-21-2002 at 11:22 PM.
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07-21-2002, 11:18 PM #6Web Hosting Guru
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Originally posted by Robin Ray
Many Thanks for your reply! Very helpful information and I sincerely appreciate it.
Another part of this: Do you know what the IP vs. Shared IP does to search engine placement?
Say a customer of mine moves their site from a dedicated IP and has excellent search engine placement: Would moving to my service under the same url (or course) hurt her search engine placement?
Being on dedicated or shared Ip has no impact on search engine placings. If it were that easy everyone would be rushing to get a dedicated IP
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07-21-2002, 11:31 PM #7Newbie
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I appreciate all of you taking the time to respond and comment on my concerns.
Hope I can be of help to all of you out there one of these days!
Robin Ray
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07-23-2002, 12:13 AM #8Web Hosting Evangelist
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Actually, if someone else on your IP sends SPAM - you could have trouble sending email on YOUR account - if you get added to an anti-relay blacklist... It happens.
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07-24-2002, 08:18 AM #9Junior Guru
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This is what happened with me. A site hosted with me is a redirect service. A client registers for a redirect URL and then the next day sends spam advertising the redirect address for the product link. Spam Cop contacts my provider who in turn disables the IP that the redirect service resides on. Problem is it's the same IP number used by all my host clients that are name based and now all accounts are affected. There has to be a better solution?
These are not the 'droids we're looking for. Move along.