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    Question Is it just me.

    or are people really as thick as a brick?

    I see all these people come on here day after day upset because their $2.00 a month host did them wrong, the $20.00 a year guy went out of business and they lost all their files or they have been messed over by thier last 3 host in less than 6 months.

    BUT yet they go to the request fourm and ask for the cheapest hosting they can get at unrealistic prices. How many times do they have lose before they learn?

    Or maybe I am being too unrealistic.

    Just rambling my thoughts, carry on now, discuss amongst yourselves.

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    Noticed that LOL

    Like they say : U get what u pay for

    Well unless it says unlimited anywere
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    So only the rich ones should be able to get their own domain?

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    Originally posted by andiegirl
    So only the rich ones should be able to get their own domain?
    What do you mean by this?
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    Well, it comes down to education and understanding about how much these services actually cost, thus what a host can provide for what price. What the heck am I talking about?

    Well, we all know cars, even used ones generally go for more than $100. I had a friend who swore by the $100 used wrecks. She was a student, didn't have money to buy anything more really, so she'd go out and find a $100 and drive it until it died. Now, she was aware that a $100 had an approximate lifespam of 3-4 months max., so she didn't get upset when it died, she just got a new $100 car. Now that she isn't a student, she has a $20,000 car which actually works and has lasted more than 3 months

    Point is that most poeple (even some in the industry and some who provide the services) don't really understand the nature of the business (or any business for that matter) or costs in general, in order to create a stable company which will grow long-term. If you have dreams of one day opening up your own data center, you most likely won't get there by offering $10/yr. 500MB space/20GB transfer accounts.

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    Originally posted by Chicken
    Well, it comes down to education and understanding about how much these services actually cost, thus what a host can provide for what price. What the heck am I talking about?

    Well, we all know cars, even used ones generally go for more than $100. I had a friend who swore by the $100 used wrecks. She was a student, didn't have money to buy anything more really, so she'd go out and find a $100 and drive it until it died. Now, she was aware that a $100 had an approximate lifespam of 3-4 months max., so she didn't get upset when it died, she just got a new $100 car. Now that she isn't a student, she has a $20,000 car which actually works and has lasted more than 3 months

    Point is that most poeple (even some in the industry and some who provide the services) don't really understand the nature of the business (or any business for that matter) or costs in general, in order to create a stable company which will grow long-term. If you have dreams of one day opening up your own data center, you most likely won't get there by offering $10/yr. 500MB space/20GB transfer accounts.

    My opinion only...
    Sorry, but I have to disagree with your last sentence, its not only your opinion, what you said, its a fact

    Althrough, I understand customers wanting everything for nothing, I can't understand Host offering everything for nothing, don't they even do maths?
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    Originally posted by andiegirl
    So only the rich ones should be able to get their own domain?
    No not at all.

    There are plenty of good host that provide low cost personal plans. What I am refering to is the ones that come here asking for 500 megs of space and 25 gigs of transfer for $4.00 a month.
    They may get it but they will not have it for long, and then they complain because the host shut down, they lost their files and $4.00.

    So they come back requesting again and this time they demand 24/7/365, 20 minute response support a host that has been in business for a year and they are willing to pay $6.00 a month to get it by-golly.

    Well DUH! How many times do they have to fall off that merry-go-round before they figure it out?

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    Originally posted by andiegirl
    So only the rich ones should be able to get their own domain?
    Who says anything about being rich? First, you mentioned domains in this post. Domains are cheaper than hell, you don't even know (check prices from just a few years ago, compare them with now, and quit your bitching).

    Hosting is cheap, too. You don't have to be a fscking millionaire to have a good, reliable host, you just can't ask for unreasonable amounts of bandwidth and space like quite a few of the people are here. Either that, or you can get what you pay for, but don't come complaining about it when it isn't exactly what the company said it was; especially after visiting this board, when you are warned by dozens and dozens of people about hosts offering outstanding offers for unbelieveable prices.

    Keyword in the last sentence: unbelievable. As in, don't believe it!!

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    Originally posted by andiegirl
    So only the rich ones should be able to get their own domain?
    I missed this post, you can get a domain for $7.95/year
    I don't think that is only for rich people.

    Hosting its a service, and cost money, to you and to hosts.

    Like you can't get a ferrari testarrosa for $1000, you can't get either a reliable host for $10/year
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    I'm almost beyond even trying to explain it anymore... Webhosting is one of those odd industries where, due to the fact people can't 'kick the tires', or hold something physical in their hands, they assume it's worth next to nothing. Well, contrary to opinion (and even Chicken's post about cars - sorry Chicken), webhosting isn't a product... it's a service.

    If you tie up all the ends, wrap it in a bow and actually define what this whole hosting thing actually is, you'll still find you don't 'have' anything.

    What you do get is people looking after your best interests, making sure your website is online when it should be. You find people watching the servers, making updates, maintaining the system. You find people working all all hours of the day, looking for new opportunities to expand the features you signed up for.

    You find, with the right choice on your part, a service that's built to reduce the worry you might experience when you step away from the computer to go on with your life - enjoying your time with family, going on holiday.. in short, living. The people you pay this money to each month have the job of handling that worry and concern for you.

    We go grey - you go to the Bahamas.

    Now, when you decide to choose an unrealistically priced choice for your hosting needs, you place that peace of mind you were expecting in the hands of people who know for a fact, they're recieving very little as far as income goes. Unless I mistake human nature (which I don't often do), there's going to be a lowering of the level of service they feel each individual account is worth, especially if there's a large amount of growth happening due to these 'unbeatable prices'.

    It's my simple opinion that businesses that price themselves this way haven't done their homework. Businesses have costs, and quite frankly, many of these webhosts are running at a loss regardless of what they think. They haven't factored in the human resource time that's needed to operate in this industry successfully. All they've done is look at what a box costs, how many accounts they need to cram on to make a profit, then start advertising like mad to get there.

    All fine and good (and a successful strategy), IF you were selling a product that was bought once, and forgotten about (like washing machines, or cars, or stereo equipment). Short of breaking down the seller doesn't need to think about the product ever again. Not so with webhosting, or any other service industry.

    Quality equipment comes at a cost, as does the time involved in looking after that equipment so it performs the way it should. But the advantage of these costs, is a much reduced requirement for the customer to be hounding their provider as to why 'things don't work', whether it be a server issue, a network issue, a billing issue, or a hundred other small and large problems that may occur on a daily basis.

    Success in this industry is about commitment to the service you provide. People come and go all the time simply because it's not easy to make a lot of money from this game, regardless of the hype of the internet being a hold grail of free cash. When all is said and done, it's just the same online, as offline. It takes effort, ability, and in no small part, blood sweat, and tears to carve out a successful business.

    While a few companies have made it possible to get equipment at a very cheap rate, they've yet to prove their worth (or maybe they've done exactly that come to think of it). Most of the issues I personally see on this forum come down to a select few places in regard to the equipment being provided to people who start their own hosting business. While many of quick to jump on those providers, there has got to be some blame placed on the business owners heads as well. The total effect however is clear - poor service. While I wouldn't suggest that expensive service is error free, it does seem that you hear a lot less concerns from customers who are housed at these hosting companys.

    While cheap hosts will always exist, there are always people who will get roasted by them. In time they generally progress up the cost scale to where the rest of us are and become satisfied, content, customers happy with higher service levels. Their trials and tribulations at the low end of the hosting business makes them keenly aware of an industry that is fraught with poor decisions, and outright fraudsters. They end up at hosts who they see week after week, year after year, are still online and still providing a service that's been paid for.. and delivered, day after day.

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    Chicken: Well said.

    What strikes me even more are the people who watch $2 host after $2 host go out of business, yet open up one themselves. Do people know what a business plan is? Have they ever actually sat down, thought about expenses and long term plans?

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    . . . and then they complain because the host shut down, they lost their files and $4.00.
    I want my files back, and my $4.00! whaaaaaaaaa
    Too funny.
    We should have a "Whaaaaaaaaaa" section so we only have to go there and read it when we want a laugh.
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    I didn't mean the domain name, I know those are cheap, I meant webhosting services.

    I know that it cost money to maintain a server, but those companies that gives you 50 mb space for $24/month is ripping you off. Seriously, it doesn't cost them that much to give you 50 mb disk space.

    And I know for a fact that there are hosts out there with decent prices that will give you what you are paying for.
    And now, I don't mean those "unlimited" hosts for two bucks a month.

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    Originally posted by andiegirl
    I didn't mean the domain name, I know those are cheap, I meant webhosting services.

    I know that it cost money to maintain a server, but those companies that gives you 50 mb space for $24/month is ripping you off. Seriously, it doesn't cost them that much to give you 50 mb disk space.

    And I know for a fact that there are hosts out there with decent prices that will give you what you are paying for.
    And now, I don't mean those "unlimited" hosts for two bucks a month.
    So basically you are going completely against what you originally said... that you don't have to be rich to have a good host.

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    And I know for a fact that there are hosts out there with decent prices that will give you what you are paying for.
    And now, I don't mean those "unlimited" hosts for two bucks a month.
    that is true... but the point is that too many people still expect everything for nothing.

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    I didn't mean the domain name, I know those are cheap, I meant webhosting services.
    Well, you did say rich and domain
    So only the rich ones should be able to get their own domain?
    Few of us are rich, many of us have hosted domains, and many more of us have domain names, so people will take unkindly to a blanket statement like that.
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    I don't want to be negative, but I still disagree with you andiegirl.

    Do you know what's the wage for a tech 8 hr/day 5 days a week? $30.000/year at least.
    Do you know what's the wage for a network enginner? $80.000/year at least.

    Do you know how host paid those wage to their employees? with what the customers pay.

    Usually when I saw those host offering plans $3/month, I wonder how they do it, or if they plan to stay in bussines to much time, or how do they plan do grow up.

    If you see the prices in DTH, you'll see that I'm one of the expensive host in this forum, and I can only hire 2 guys and they 2 get more money than me.
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    Originally posted by andiegirl
    I know that it cost money to maintain a server, but those companies that gives you 50 mb space for $24/month is ripping you off. Seriously, it doesn't cost them that much to give you 50 mb disk space.
    Are you sure you know that it costs money to maintain a server? and the service as a whole? It's not just a server.. there are many things that go into running a hosting business.

    You just stated that someone who is buying hosting is paying only for disk space.. you forgot to mention bandwidth... which seems like everyone today wants for pennies. 50mb for $20/month I think is pretty darn fair and is what it used to cost back when I first got involved in this industry... the ONLY reason that it has dropped in price is because every 14-17 year old is becoming a host.. working out of their parents basement.. forcing everyone else in the industry to compete with their ridiculously low prices.

    The truth of the matter. You can't be a host who offers alot for $5/month. If you do you will get many signups, not have enough money to hire people for support/administration... and also not have enough money to purchase more servers when the one you are placing accounts on gets overloaded. 50mb account can use up ALOT of resources.. many hosts and clients don't take the resource usage into consideration either.. when you have this happen and you charge $5/month you either a) keep cramming the server until its down every 5 minutes or b) go out of business because clients that are paying this $5/month start reporting you to the BBB.

    It's such a sad industry we are in today.. I get at least 1-2 tickets a month asking why I don't have my plans as cheap as xyz host... it gets on my nerves that I have to explain that if I did price my services that low I wouldn't be able to function as a business, let alone a human being.. because also what I see is that people don't realize that a host also has to live... car/house/food/etc. and from paying server costs/bandwidth costs/employee costs/other business costs... there is very little left over after paying for your own personal needs and the business needs to even go out and watch a movie Friday night to relax after working 126 hours/week! Now.. if we were all minors living with Mommy and Daddy then the $5/month hosting idea would be much more feasable.. yet you'd still be stuck with a lame host that can't work all day due to high school and not be able to hire real employees because that would be against the law.

    I think when andiegirl made the comment "So only the rich ones should be able to get their own domain?" she really meant that only adults who have jobs should be able to get hosting. $20/month by no means is an amount only rich people can afford.. middle class can afford this easy too. If you have enough money to buy a computer and have the internet.. then I'm betting you are in either one of these classes. If you can't afford $20/month then I assume you are a child or unemployed (in which case you should be spending your time looking for a job and not playing on the internet).. if you are a child.. you shouldn't even be looking for a paid host as it is illegal to go into contract (which is what you do when you buy a service from most hosts) with a minor.

    Anyway.. I'm babbling now and hopefully I haven't stepped on too many toes (just annoyed tonight.. it's too hot LOL). No one will really know what it's like to be a host until they try it out themselves with the intention to do the best that they can. Once they see how difficult it really is maybe they will then understand why most hosts who plan to stick around charge higher prices than the kiddie-hosts out there. Anyhow.. ever ask your host why they are a host and what keeps them in the business? I can bet at least 80% won't know how to answer. I don't even know sometimes why I take the abuse that I do.. I guess the good parts must out-weigh the bad still trying to find out how to calculate that and make sure I'm not just a complete nut-case for being a host... LOL

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    Just off the top of my head:

    Credit card fees
    Server rental or colo fees
    Defaulting customers
    Secure certificate
    20 hour work days
    Advertising
    Internet connection, if you don't have a DC
    800 number charges
    Telephone hookup
    Staff
    Security consultants
    Third-party backup service
    Fax machine
    Taxes
    Legal consulting
    Business license
    Letterheads

    That list took me about 30 seconds, and when I hit "Submit Reply" I'll think of 10 more.

    I'm running a business, not a charity. Web hosting is a luxury. If you can't afford 10 bucks a month, then you don't need a web host.

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    Yes, its simple...

    You GET what YOU pay FOR...

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    Elena,

    *looks at your website*

    You have decent prices, and here you're saying that only 14-17 yearolds have decent prices. Is that a bit of jealousy I smell?

    Then you're judging me and saying that I'm either a child or unemployeed just because I want some money left to live of after I pay for my rent and everthing else. I have four cats and they are expensive to maintain, they get the best food there is out there (the most expensive one too), the best kittylitter, insurances, my broadband connection etc.
    And yes, I don't have a job. That's not because I'm lazy (like many americans think ), it's because there are no jobs in my area right now.

    You guys earn the big bucks from COMPANIES, not regular people.

    And I know how much servers cost, I'm very interested in computers and my fianceé is studying to become a computer engineer, so you don't have to question my knowledge.

    I think we have different views because we are from different cultures. I'm from a socialist country and see things from a socialist perspective (I think that ALL people have rights to have the same things, for example medical care is completely free in Sweden, dental care is free too until you're 20), and you are from a capitalist country where everything is about getting as much money as possible.

    I don't want to step on any toes so I'm just going to shut up now and go to bed. After all it's 4:20 AM... (I'm such a geek)

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    Gosh it must be nice to be able to afford broadband and feed your cats the best food money can buy, but not to be able to spend $10.00 on hosting. I am sorry no where I can find is it written that everyone in the world has a right to have a web page.

    Try feeding your cats medium grade food and your host a little more and maybe your web sites wil run a little smoother.

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    Originally posted by Monte
    Gosh it must be nice to be able to afford broadband and feed your cats the best food money can buy, but not to be able to spend $10.00 on hosting. I am sorry no where I can find is it written that everyone in the world has a right to have a web page.

    Try feeding your cats medium grade food and your host a little more and maybe your web sites wil run a little smoother.
    I think $10 hosting is very cheap, where did I write that it isn't?
    What I'm against is those who'll give you 50 mb space/1 gb transfer and yet asks for 25-35 bucks/month!

    And by the way, I would never give my cats bad supermarket kind of food just so I could get more stuff.

    You don't have to get bitchy about it either, I wasn't attacking you, or anyone else for that matter.

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    andiegirl, seems like you don't really know a lot about this bussines

    you said
    You guys earn the big bucks from COMPANIES, not regular people.
    I only host 2 sites of big companies and they pay the same than regular customers, because they get the same attention and support than regular customers. Probably that's just me, and everything else host big companies, but I'm talking from my experience.

    Also, you compare medical care with hosting, as somebody said, hosting its a luxury, its not a need.

    If you can't affort $30 per month for a web host, then you don't need a host.
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    If you can't affort $30 per month for a web host, then you don't need a host.
    Well, that's YOUR opinion.

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    To me, there is an acceptable range depending on what type of hosting one needs. Besides space and transfer amounts, there is also level of service, etc.

    Besides that, if you have a site which is more than a personal site, you shouldn't really expect to pay less than your broadband connection for it. Your connection allows you to connect to most every site on the net. Don't you hate it when you are on a broadband connection and the site is so slow that it seems you are on 56K? OoooooOooOoo I hate that. Your web site does the opposite. It exists so that everyone in the world can connect to it.

    I find it odd that people are willing to pay $40-$50/mo for a high speed connection that isn't nearly as fast and has the capacity of their web server's lines to their site. Some people pay $22/mo for AOL so they can have email via 56K (if they are lucky). Even a small-moderate web site requires much more connectivity than this.

    There is a definite cost to providing this, however it isn't an exact amount. Add service (as Greg pointed out) and you have a price that can vary about $30/mo-ish either way without being unrealistic. Personal sites, maybe $5/$8 to about $30.

    Any type of site that is for buiness, I'd stay away from the very low end of the personal range and it might go up towards $60-ish, add $50-$100-ish for any type of ecommerce, professional licensed shopping carts, plus fees for payment gateways, secure certs, etc.

    If it is mission critical then I wouldn't even look at something under a couple of hundred as it just can't be provided for less (IMHO).

    Is $25/mo. for a 50MB plan a rip off? No, it is still a bargin and if you don't think so, try setting up even a unredundant T1 at the office with a couple of servers. OK, so that's way up there, but really, it isn't.

    You can find some decent deals out there, but you aren't going to magically find a Ferrari on autobuys listed in the 'under $1,000' section, so as long as you don't expect to, you'll most likely be OK.
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    Re: Is it just me.

    Originally posted by Monte
    or are people really as thick as a brick?

    I see all these people come on here day after day upset because their $2.00 a month host did them wrong, the $20.00 a year guy went out of business and they lost all their files or they have been messed over by thier last 3 host in less than 6 months.

    BUT yet they go to the request fourm and ask for the cheapest hosting they can get at unrealistic prices. How many times do they have lose before they learn?

    Or maybe I am being too unrealistic.

    Just rambling my thoughts, carry on now, discuss amongst yourselves.
    For me, it seems like finding a host is a crap shoot. Monte, before I signed up with you I was with someone charging more than you and it still sucked.

    It seems like any kid can use mom's visa, buy a reseller account, put up a webpage and start selling web hosting.

    I've never been looking for unrealistic prices. But I've been through several hosting services trying to find something decent.

    I consider myself lucky that I found you and I'm very happy with the hosting you provide. But before I found you it was a process of sign-up somewhere, try it out, realize it sucked, search some more, start the process over, etc, etc, etc.

    We're not all "thick as a brick". Your website and the information it contains doesn't differ much from several others I signed up at before I found you. Of course, it usually only took a few days to realize they had problems, just as it didn't take long at all to realize things work well with you. But claiming customers of dead beat hosts are "thick as a brick" is lowering yourself. You are a professional providing a high quality, professional service at a reasonable price. It's obviously frustrating for you to see people taken advantage of. I encourage you not to fall into the trap of negativity.

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    Re: Is it just me.

    Originally posted by Monte
    or are people really as thick as a brick?

    I see all these people come on here day after day upset because their $2.00 a month host did them wrong, the $20.00 a year guy went out of business and they lost all their files or they have been messed over by thier last 3 host in less than 6 months.

    BUT yet they go to the request fourm and ask for the cheapest hosting they can get at unrealistic prices. How many times do they have lose before they learn?

    Or maybe I am being too unrealistic.

    Just rambling my thoughts, carry on now, discuss amongst yourselves.
    ahh yes i remember my first hosting account (reseller using donhosts servers ) it was something like ..

    Unlimited space
    Unlimited bandwidth

    for only $1 a month!

    But i soon found out you pay for what you get

    But now im more wise

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    Elena,
    I think you hit the nail on the head

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why people put such a low value on web hosting. The only reason the $10 year plans exist, is because there are kids that run web hosting out of their basement like mentioned above. Again, you get what you pay for.

    We actually run a very small outfit compared to most. We don't have our own datacenter, and we have a very small office. In fact, we could be compared to any reseller out there because we have our servers thru Rackspace (not shack). Bandwidth costs us $2.75 per GB and thats if purchased up front. Overages are in the range of $4 - $5 / gb.

    The prices above sound pretty rediculous don't they? Well to us it is well worth it to know that our servers will have full connectivity 24 hours a day via strong tier 1 providers. Currently we do not have any customers paying less than $40 a month, but you could contact any one of them and they would tell you that their site has not had a minute of downtime since they signed up.

    Anyway, like mentioned above, there are serveral price ranges depending on the level of service and support you require. You will always get what you pay for.
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    Originally posted by andiegirl
    Elena,

    *looks at your website*

    You have decent prices, and here you're saying that only 14-17 year olds have decent prices. Is that a bit of jealousy I smell?
    I wonder what in the world I'd be jealous about.. but I guess that was a cheap shot you were driving at because you thought I was directly pointing out that you are unemployed (which I had no idea you were..) I was just stating the obvious reasons most people don't want to pay $$ for hosting.. it's because they don't have any $$$ yet they still want luxuries...

    My prices are decent ONLY because of competition, had there not been this burst of children running hosting sites offering everything for pennies my cheapeast plan would probably be around $20. The small plans I created are geared towards personal site webmasters and I think $7.50 is pretty reasonable for what I give with it (not much).. it's not like I am giving away 200mb and 5GB of bandwidth which is what the thread starter was stating.. how people expect a bunch (usually bandwidth) for $5/mo. My largest plan is what most of these people are begging for, and unless you have $30/month then you aren't going to be hosting with me.

    note: just one more edit...
    I should also clear up that when I speak of $5 hosts.. I mean $5/mo. is the most expensive plan they offer...

    I'm from a socialist country and see things from a socialist perspective (I think that ALL people have rights to have the same things
    if you want a website and don't have $$$ go with geocities everyone on the Net has that right to have a website for nothing at all.

    It's still too hot.. just replying to this post since it had my name in it LOL too tired to read the other posts which I'm sure had some very good points in them... I will read later on tonight when the heat levels have subsided.
    Last edited by Elena; 07-21-2002 at 09:34 PM.

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    You get what you pay for! The price of a website is not just your portion of somebody's rent on a server. Webhosts need to pay people to watch their servers, take care or trouble call, do updates on the servers, establish new accounts, provide accurate billing, etc.

    Anybody paying under $5/per month for a web hosting shouldn't be crying the blues when their webhost has flaky service or goes on the lam.

    There is a lot of un-needed competition among webhosts on a price basis. They keep going lower and lower. There is a perception of price having a reflection of quality and it holds true for web hosting. The web hosts that keep prices sensible (at least above $10/month are generally profitable and aren't into webhosting for the bottom end of mainstream consumers. The sweet spot appears to be $20/month with >= 200 meg of drive space, 10 to 15 gig of monthly bandwidth, a decent control panel, and industry standard features (including daily backups).

    I don't see many of the big hosts going down the tubes. Remember - pricing -> perception -> quality -> customer satisfaction.
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    Originally posted by andiegirl


    If you can't affort $30 per month for a web host, then you don't need a host.
    Well, that's YOUR opinion.

    So maybe you should explain your opinion to the Swedish government and ask them to provide free hosting to the people
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    BTW, although I'm from Kuwait, where is it a VERY socialist community, I don't think that webhosting is like dental care (we get lifetime free dental care ).
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    Re: Re: Is it just me.

    Originally posted by tamoore


    For me, it seems like finding a host is a crap shoot. Monte, before I signed up with you I was with someone charging more than you and it still sucked.

    It seems like any kid can use mom's visa, buy a reseller account, put up a webpage and start selling web hosting.

    I've never been looking for unrealistic prices. But I've been through several hosting services trying to find something decent.

    I consider myself lucky that I found you and I'm very happy with the hosting you provide. But before I found you it was a process of sign-up somewhere, try it out, realize it sucked, search some more, start the process over, etc, etc, etc.

    We're not all "thick as a brick". Your website and the information it contains doesn't differ much from several others I signed up at before I found you. Of course, it usually only took a few days to realize they had problems, just as it didn't take long at all to realize things work well with you. But claiming customers of dead beat hosts are "thick as a brick" is lowering yourself. You are a professional providing a high quality, professional service at a reasonable price. It's obviously frustrating for you to see people taken advantage of. I encourage you not to fall into the trap of negativity.
    You are probably correct I should not call people thick as a brick but I do find it very frustrating to see all these people on here the last few days who have been messed over by certain host and not just one. All posting in the request section asking for impossible to do deals, I mean I guess they are possible, but they are going to be upset again and come back here complaining because they did not get the level of service they wanted.

    I try very hard to offer a high level of service and I hope I fulfill that to you and my other customers. But I have looked at the economics of it and cannot justify cutting my prices to $1.99 a month. There is no incentive to get out of bed for $1.99.

    Really I guess I should have aimed this thread more at the host offering crazy pricing and going lower and lower with each customers request rather than at the customer for asking for it. Heck I always try and get the best deal I can too. So I guess until more hosting companies stand up and say no that is impossible to supply the customers will keep asking for lower and lower prices. Maybe us that run hosting companies are thick as a brick.

    The day I started this thread I was very frustrated at reading a few threads on here that I found to be about bad service almost scams and people were being cheated, I felt very sorry for them, but then I saw that same people asking for the lowest possible priced hosting without regard to service. It was a shock to the system and I made wonder what it took to make people realize service comes with price.

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