View Poll Results: Do you think web hosts should be regulated by the FCC or some other agency?

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  1. #1
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    FCC to Start Regulating Web Hosts???

    Since the FCC is interested in the Internet, how likely is it for them to start regulating Web Hosts? I think the larger web hosts may like that so they can squeeze out the little guy! Another benefit would be some uniformity in the way the web hosting business is conducted (raising the bar), and clean up some web hosts giving the industry a bad name.
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    Not going to happen. It's just too too late in the game for regulation to start now.
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    I don't like the idea of any government messing around with the Internet. We already have ICANN. Let's not make it worse.
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    The international scope of the internet would make this very difficult to implement.

    Not going to happen. It's just too too late in the game for regulation to start now.
    That, too.

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    I say no because of this:

    If the FCC gets involved, then we have a "how are we going to pay for it" thing that will evolve.

    Then the taxing of email to pay would be a promising solution giving the government the go on this. Then you will have other taxes implemented, and other things that would not be pretty.

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    Originally posted by ChowSumDung
    I don't like the idea of any government messing around with the Internet. We already have ICANN. Let's not make it worse.
    umm, you do realize the internet was created by the government right?
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    FCC is based in the U.S though?


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    I was under the impressing that Al Gore invented the internet http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/ lol, actually, it was the us government that "started it". It was a defense project, DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) that made ARPANET. The idea was to make a network that would be able to sustain attacks on certain points (say nuclear) in the country and still facilitate communications by routing data through other cities etc. Want to see some early maps? they are kind of interesting, and small. http://som.csudh.edu/cis/lpress/history/arpamaps/

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    If they don't regulate Internet Service Providers (like @home, etc.), I don't see how they could go after web hosts. Plus, I don't think they'd do it now since its been around for so long.
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    It is not that legislation is the issue but the costs involved in handling each complaint against a host where a host has fleeced consumers through deceptive practices. Only where you have seen numerous actions affect consumers that intervention has finally occured.

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    The FCC can't regulate web hosts. There are too many variables involved.

    How do they handle large hosts, how do they handle smll hosts, what about international hosts that host US sites, do they have the right to regulate them?

    Too hard for them to impliment unless they get ALL countries in perfect agreement and that is never going to happen.

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    Like it or not, web hosts and ISPs are part of the Telco industry, and eventually, the FCC will regulate and license those of us who are based in the US.

    But it won't be that bad, they regulate the LEC's, and they get away with murder. Verizon pretty much does whatever they want, even though much of it is illegal.

    The big cost under that process will be the cost of entry for the facilities-based hosting providers, but there shouldn't be any for resellers, they are much like the Sales Agents used by the telco's now.

    One thing they'd be cracking down on is the people who gild the lily and pretend to be something they are not. If you buy services from a Sales Agent for a telco, you know whose services you are buying, but you use them because they deal with the telco, not you.

    A tariff system like the telco's use would standardize the pricing of web hosting, as well as the quality, and that I'd like to see.

    What I wouldn't like to see is all the paperwork and the fees involved. That would probably put us right out of business.
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    I would like to see some regulation. Despite our own efforts, we still have crap hosts that offer unlimited everything for $1.99 per month. At least with some regulation, you know what it is costing everyone else to get into it. Prices for what you get would stabalize. It's difficult to compete with our own forums all these crap hosts that "we" know will be short lived, or screw the client over in one way or another. These types of hosts are brought up on our forums all the time. "Well these guys offer this for far less $$ than you do, how come you cant do that?". Then they go on to say we offer things the other doesnt like auto upgrades and great support. Well duh, to offer good support costs. Software and hardware costs. Seriously, if someone came into the cell phone market and offered "unlimited 24/7" minutes with a free phone for $200 a year, took a lot of people's money, and then closed their doors, what do you think would happen?

    That's where regulation attempts to protect people. The hosts doing this crap makes the rest of us look bad, as well as makes it hard to compete against such things. I wont say self-regulation has failed. I would like to see that work before bringing in government regulation...

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    This concept is rediculous. It would just be another case of the Americans thinking that they can tell everyone what to do and monopolise the world (Mr Gates?) They could full well monitor US hosts but I believe the monitoring of the Internet is monopolitic (i'm pretty sure that's not a word ).

    What's next? The US decide to monitor every western world countries Police,Hospitals,Army? I already heard on my local news that US customs were being sent about to ensure that other countries were up to standard!

    I'm not anti-American at all, but what I am is anti-monopoly. It's good in the UK (whilst not sure about elsewhere) we have various routes for complaints like trading standards, citizen advice bureau etc.

    I say to trying to take over the internet and Yes to the freedom which is the beauty of the internet.

    Rant over

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    Well, if there was regulation, I think it should be by the United Nations, not the U.S. Unfortunately the UN is fairly impotent without the U.S. So I dont know if it would really be operated fairly. In the end, like I said, I prefer to see self regulation instead of "any" government regulations. Once government regulates, they take that as a sign that we are willing to get taxed more.

    But you cant self regulate when DataCenters or Server hosts such as RackShack, OLM, Digex, and other will host anyone who pays and disregard any unethics those people are doing other than warez and spamming. Even then, many still dont care as long as the bill is paid.

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    Originally posted by The Laughing Cow
    This concept is rediculous. It would just be another case of the Americans thinking that they can tell everyone what to do and monopolise the world (Mr Gates?)
    Like it or not we pretty much can, we have such economic, political, and military power that we are the only ones that govern us and as stated above the UN holds no real power without the US. However, as history has proven the US puts its nose where it wants when it wants and often, in my opinion, uncalled for. The US is the world strongest super power and probably will be for a long time to come, but I dont think its feasible to control the internet in foreign countries. Im sure we will see changes here in the US with government influenece over the next 5-10 years though. All its going to take is a few more telcos going under, and Amazon or something large like that being caught in an Eron-like scandal.
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    Yeah you may be right but from what I see over is that every politician wants to be in Bush's pocket just incase we need his help one day - whether he will after all the altercations we have entered for him is another question.

    I still don't think the US could control the world, quite blatantly if they started doing a Germany trying to take over each country the rest of the world would simply not have it. The % of the worlds population that are American is rather small compared to people who would want to take out the US if they started getting cocky. I suppose the Afganistan style hatred was directed at the Americans for a reason?

    Like I said I am not anti-American, I love the place and will go back more. I am just agains people monopolising things particularly the world!

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    Really, it wouldnt be that difficult. What would end up being the case is that since all the major backbones are U.S. owned and controlled, anything can be blocked. With the click of a button, your ISP can be blocked from all major peer points. Countries where tons of abuse come from would either have to start caring, or be blocked from the rest of the world. For example, tons of warez, child porn, and fraud comes from Taiwan. Regulation could give their government and ISP a choice....take control of the abuse from your systems, or you will lose access to the rest of the virtual world. If that happens, it will force legit businesses on those networks to switch over to American owned networks instead of the ones within their own country giving the US even more control, and most likely putting those other networks out of business to be taken over by the American networks who will enforce rules.

    So it's not really all that unrealistic. Not saying I agree with it, but it is a possibility that has popped into my head..

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    I agree with webdude, it wouldn't be that difficult to do. The US couldn't take everything over and force everyone to play by their rules, but they could make fairly drastic changes. Whether these changes are valuable or not is debate-able. Imposing such regulations would make life easier for reputable web hosts and those searching for reliable web hosting. It would make market entry more difficult, but this serves to further weed out those who can't cut it. With added costs come added consideration before entering a market. A person entering the market would have to do it with the intention of staying in the market. Your fourteen year old in a garage who decides to play with being a web host for a few months because it's cheap and easy won't be able to screw people over. Regulation has quite a few positives. It also, however, makes life far more difficult for small but still high quality hosting providers. More personal small hosting companies would have to expand or increase prices to maintain profitability. I believe regulation would be a mixed blessing.

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    Not all the major networks are owned by US companies, KPN are taking over parts of the KPNQwest network - which is a major network in Europe. The way you're looking at it is idealistic, what you'd end up with is a compartmentalised network say, USA, Europe and Asia, then you'd have the elitest people who we're on the global network because their ISP wants to kiss ass with America.

    Regulation of a industry like ours is far too difficult to implement, unless they outlaw web hosts on a global scale unless you have a license (Thinking about it, I wouldn't put it past Bush to try it).
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    Which brings to mind another problem with regulation in this industry: regulation would make US businesses less globally competitive. US hosts would have to deal with more legal issues and costs, more fees and more hassles in general. On the internet this loss of competitive edge is critical. The end user often won't care where their web site resides, as long as it works on the internet. In the end I believe such regulation would probably be detrimental to US web hosts.

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    our gov't wants their hand in everything, you constantly hear 'there ought to be a law' from everyone, and the democraps do everything that they can to make that true

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    It's unrealistic to think that any move in regulating the internet in regard to web hosts would extend anywhere beyound the boundaries of the United States.

    Enhanced scrutiny on complaints made against consumers would be most likely one of thje means to help assist in the removal of hosts. Legislation which enforced tech compaines which had knowledge of illegal operations occuring on their network, servers, or end users would enable self governance in the removal of such actions.

    Additional joint monitoring by state and federal agencies dealing with business, taxation, and consumer areas would assist in the reduction of rogue operators and illegal busineses operating online.
    Something like that would have greater effect while not crossing borders in the online medium.

    There is legal boundaries including jurisdictional definitions already in place via agreements between different countries on issues like taxation and trade. It's all a matter of the govt agencies deciding to actually tackle complainst and law breaches other than not having the means to do so.

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    So what about those poor clients of CyberWings and Aletia?
    The boards are burning up with remarks about them. They may be the prime example for a FCC watchdog role.
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