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Old 05-28-2007, 04:25 PM
bgreenboston bgreenboston is offline
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Provider with unlimited outgoing email for opt-in campaigns


Hello,

I am trying to find a host that will allow unlimited outgoing emails. This is not for spamming but for emails that are all opt-in from research that I do. I need to be able to do a mail merge with some of my email lists being as large as 20,000. I have three different providers for different purposes now, but they all have an outgoing mail cap.

Also does anyone know of a program that I can use to manage these email campaigns? In particular, it would be great to manage bounces and unsubscribe requests.

Thanks!

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Old 05-28-2007, 04:32 PM
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For your first question,

Most providers are going to limit you to X amount of emails per hour/day. Even having your own dedicated server would not be truly unlimited, your still bound by the resources available to the server (CPU, RAM ect..)

For your second question,

Dada Mail - http://mojo.skazat.com/

It Handles both bounces and unsubscribes. In addition, it also allows you to throttle how fast the emails are sent (X emails every X seconds,minutes,hours,days ect...). Using the throttling feature would allow you to stay within your providers limits.

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Old 05-28-2007, 04:36 PM
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Interesting! I suppose if there was a program that had "throttling" than I could use my current provider. Any other suggestions for other programs so I can have some options? Thanks again!

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Old 05-28-2007, 06:01 PM
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Throttling would probably work well. I can't speak for the other control panels, but I know that cPanel limits emails on a domain basis. It can be overriden on a domain-by-domain basis but it involves hacking a config file and many hosts aren't willing to do that.

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Old 05-29-2007, 02:49 AM
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Interesting! I suppose if there was a program that had "throttling" than I could use my current provider. Any other suggestions for other programs so I can have some options? Thanks again!
We've helped clients set up throttles using Joomla newsletter components. I don't remember the component names offhand but they were flexible, easy to set up, and easy to use. PM me if you want to go that route and I'll look up the details.

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Old 05-29-2007, 07:43 AM
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Interesting! I suppose if there was a program that had "throttling" than I could use my current provider. Any other suggestions for other programs so I can have some options? Thanks again!
I like 1-2 All, available at Active Campaign dot com .

Good, solid product at a reasonable cost.

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Old 05-29-2007, 02:38 PM
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You provider would most definately appreciate throttling. Shared servers are very succeptible to showing up on email blacklists as a result of bulk mailing - even if the sender is well-intentioned.

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Old 05-29-2007, 02:42 PM
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You may want to pay for email service provide instead of using web hosting for email campaign. Aweber.com is doing great for me. They support mail merge and more.

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Old 05-29-2007, 03:50 PM
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No shared hosting provider will let you send 20,000 emails to your opt-in mailing list, even if you do throttle it.

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Old 05-29-2007, 05:05 PM
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Interesting! I suppose if there was a program that had "throttling" than I could use my current provider. Any other suggestions for other programs so I can have some options? Thanks again!
phplist - which comes with any host that offers fantastico - works great.

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Old 05-29-2007, 05:06 PM
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Customers of ours have had great success with constantcontact.com

it's a monthly service, and seems to work well..

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Old 05-30-2007, 12:55 AM
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Agreed with WN-Ali... no reputable provider is going to allow you to have lists of 20,000+ on a shared hosting account... the only exception I can think of is if you carefully hand-pick a provider and work with them to develop a custom plan wherein they are fully aware of what you're going to be running, and you pay a hefty monthly fee because you will be using considerable CPU/RAM resources. 20k is very large for a shared provider.

The problem with DadaMail is that it relies on a perl process which remains alive throughout the send. If the perl process dies off for whatever reason -- if it dies on its own, or is killed off by a server operation/tech -- then your mail-out will die right in the middle. The last time I used DadaMail, it did not keep track of where it was in a mail-out, so if it died, you would have no way to know where to resume.

DadaMail is great for small-time senders, but keeping that perl process alive can be a challenge on some hosts.

This issue is fully dealt with in Active Campaign's 1-2-All. 1-2-All uses crons to send, and it keeps track of its mailing, so that if the send accidentally dies-off mid-stream, the script will automatically resume the send all on its own. 1-2-All also allows for data collection and message personalizatiion.

But, we keep coming back to that list size issue... 20k is just not reasonable on a shared host. It is going to stretch the capabilities of a VPS, because a VPS is only a slice of a CPU, not a whole CPU (and you need maxiumum CPU to do a big mail-out).

The most affordable solution is going to be a mailing list host. I highly recommend Aweber. I am a subscriber to a number of Aweber lists, and have been very happy with the service. And check out their feature list -- Aweber is extremely feature-rich. When I've priced out resource allocation & features vs. cost, I can't run similarly-sized lists, with Aweber's features/capabilities, for the same or less cost. That's why I recommend people go with Aweber... because I know I can't do it better myself. Not for lists that big!

Smaller lists (500-3,000ish) are easily and nicely accomodated on a shared hosting account and either DadaMail or 1-2-All. Be sure to batch your sends according to your host's requirements. But anything over a few thousand, I refer to Aweber.com. They just do a very nice job for a reasonable price.

Just my 2¢ worth, hope it helps!! Good luck with your project.

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Old 05-30-2007, 09:40 AM
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its very difficult for a webhost to provide unlimited outgoing mails as it consumes CPU/RAm
you should look for dedicated mail service

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Old 05-30-2007, 12:46 PM
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I will recommend Aweber for the features versus cost per month. There service has worked well for me.

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