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Old 04-12-2007, 03:16 AM
jordan8976 jordan8976 is offline
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Buyer Beware!

I tried to order a server from these guys. I entered all of my credit card information into their website. After that I received an email from them stating they wanted me to send my credit card information, along with a copy of my drivers license, in PLAIN TEXT to their email account!! I don't think I need to tell you how bad of an idea this is, not to mention in violation of the credit card company's security best practices.

So, if you don't mind risking identity theft or dealing with people who have no idea what a privacy policy is, go ahead and order a server...




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Old 04-12-2007, 09:57 AM
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Buyer Beware:

They charge you the standard 30 days up front (which is normal), but they also tag on additional days (up to around 10 days) to coincide with their "billing dates". They also require you to provide 30 day written notice (and faxed to them) of any cancellations.

In addition to this, if you place an order with them... they will send you a document that you have to sign, and put a copy of of your CC and DL and fax back to them.

Apparently in the age of 2007, where electronic signatures are backed by Federal Law, they still require you to follow 1980's payment methods and use of something called a "FAX" machine.

One of two things is going on. Either they have a LOT of complaints against the additional BILLING they tack on and their 30 days notice (and subsequent additional billing) that they need hard evidence to refute chargebacks against them... OR they are trying to get by with a lower CC discount by selling it to you "in person".

Ironically, they require you to do this when paying via Paypal as well.

I requested a refund to my order, because of the hassle. Figure I'd save you all the pain or at least know what your getting into.

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Old 04-12-2007, 10:06 AM
HE/LW-Sam HE/LW-Sam is offline
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Buyer Beware:

They charge you the standard 30 days up front (which is normal), but they also tag on additional days (up to around 10 days) to coincide with their "billing dates". They also require you to provide 30 day written notice (and faxed to them) of any cancellations.

In addition to this, if you place an order with them... they will send you a document that you have to sign, and put a copy of of your CC and DL and fax back to them.

Apparently in the age of 2007, where electronic signatures are backed by Federal Law, they still require you to follow 1980's payment methods and use of something called a "FAX" machine.

One of two things is going on. Either they have a LOT of complaints against the additional BILLING they tack on and their 30 days notice (and subsequent additional billing) that they need hard evidence to refute chargebacks against them... OR they are trying to get by with a lower CC discount by selling it to you "in person".

Ironically, they require you to do this when paying via Paypal as well.

I requested a refund to my order, because of the hassle. Figure I'd save you all the pain or at least know what your getting into.
Thanks for the heads up, i dont know whats up with the companies asking for details like CC and DL copies even when you pay via verified paypal address. Very annoying and pointless. However, i understand the reason if you are paying via CC only.

I had to cancel one of the servers with other comapny recently due to similar reasons. I m gonna add DedicatedNow into my blacklist as well

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Old 04-12-2007, 10:10 AM
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Thanks for the heads up, i dont know whats up with the companies asking for details like CC and DL copies even when you pay via verified paypal address. Very annoying and pointless. However, i understand the reason if you are paying via CC only.

I had to cancel one of the servers with other comapny recently due to similar reasons. I m gonna add DedicatedNow into my blacklist as well
Faxing of info is normal. Theplanet, etc. It cuts down on fraud. If you're legit, why worry? These anti-fraud practices decrease the pricing they offer to legit customers.
30 day cancellation notice is normal too. I had to do that with Bell Canada, and they're pretty major ISP here in Canada.

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Old 04-12-2007, 10:16 AM
HE/LW-Sam HE/LW-Sam is offline
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Faxing of info is normal. Theplanet, etc. It cuts down on fraud. If you're legit, why worry? These anti-fraud practices decrease the pricing they offer to legit customers.
30 day cancellation notice is normal too. I had to do that with Bell Canada, and they're pretty major ISP here in Canada.
I have used Bell Canada too, they never asked for my info. Its just personal preference and point of view. I m more comfortable with giving out cc details to 2co.

I agree with necessity to give out in case of paying via cc, but when paying with a verified paypal id under ur name and email id, i dont see it much big of a deal.

Sorry mods, it was just an opinion, please dont take it as a bashing for dedicatednow. They are good providers based on their reviews on WHT

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Old 04-12-2007, 10:17 AM
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I'm responding to a few questions regarding payment verification which we require upon signup.

DedicatedNOW will require some verification of payment on all new customer orders. Though everyone likes to believe that digital signatures, and online ordering is safe, the fact is, it's not. In today’s market the rate of fraudulent signups is tremendous, and regardless of what laws exist, the decision of verification relies solely on CC companies. They in fact require signatures and ID's to match in order to verify a payment. Though everyone likes to believe it's only a hassle to them, it's the only true method of protection for both clients and companies.
We do this in order to both protect ourselves from fraud as well as our clients. We have a very low rate of chargeback, and even fewer fraudulent orders processed. With technology the way it exists today, it's very simple to gain CC #'s and proxy through a local server close to the billing address to avoid detection from IP locality. Verified Paypal accounts serve no good when people fall victim to phishing, and by taking our steps that we do, we can avoid somebody becoming a victim through us ultimately which causes higher consumer prices to pay for fraud activity. We don't process payment until documents are received and our requirements are becoming more of the norm in this business than nothing.

If anyone would like to speak further about this matter, please feel free to contact me directly, otherwise please remain within the guidelines of this forum posting.

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Old 04-12-2007, 10:29 AM
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I am unsure why stating the obvious is against board policy that my original post was removed. I was stating pure facts, no opinions.

That said, I have had a merchant account for nearly 10 years. I know that having such documentation is solid proof when refuting charge backs. PhMatt is correct in that the burden of proof is put on the business as well.

That said, one must weigh the consequences of being a "pain" to the good customer. Had you not required a faxed in cancelation policy (I am find w/ 30 days, just not by fax/signed) I might have when through your hoops. However... when the hoops are coming at you from every direction, you begin to wonder... what other hoops am I going to have to jump through to get support? To get my server back online? Am I going to wait on hold for ever?

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Old 04-12-2007, 10:36 AM
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I am unsure why stating the obvious is against board policy that my original post was removed. I was stating pure facts, no opinions.
Let's leave those concerns out of an advertising thread.

Posts moved to the discussion forum.

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Old 04-12-2007, 10:46 AM
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Adding DedicatedNow to your blacklist is pointless because if you was to read the TOS / AUP you would know that they have a 30 day cancelation notice. --- Common Practice

Asking for your passports or license to VERIFY is you that is paying. --- Common Practice

If you find a company (a well known of course) that doesn't require you to send info in let us know. I'll make sure to put in a few orders there myself

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Old 04-12-2007, 11:01 AM
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Fraud is not limited to just credit card, guys. I've seen more cases of PayPal fraud with my tenure at DedicatedNOW than I had ever seen before prior to me working there.

If your CC info can be compromised, so can your PayPal account. Here's another catch. We accept these forms via email and/or fax. If someone wants to password protect a ZIP file with their scans and send the password to a different email, that's absolutely okay. We have the means to go that route. We understand that it can be an inconvenience when dealing with the payment authorization paperwork, so we will accomodate as much as we can to help ensure privacy. And we only require this paperwork on your initial order. Once you're established as a customer, then you're good to go.

I would happily do this for any provider that I do business with (I use three providers myself), if they asked for it. It protects both the customer (me) and the company (the provider).

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Old 04-12-2007, 11:06 AM
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Reliable 3rd party is not a bad alternative. Using a company like 2co who uses verified by visa technology even better.

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Old 04-12-2007, 11:09 AM
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Reliable 3rd party is not a bad alternative. Using a company like 2co who uses verified by visa technology even better.
2co wouldn't work in our case I am sorry to say. But I believe to also use verified by visa the actual card holder has to have signed up for it. I could be wrong.

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Old 04-12-2007, 11:10 AM
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I'm a bit surprised that someone is complaining about asking for proof and official signature. This is what the credit card companies insist to get as information. With so much fraud going on around I don't thing there is really room for complaints. Just putting your concern at ease, DN is a more the legit company, that has been around for a long time. They treat their clients more like friends then just clients, and they definitely provide great service, so you donít have to worry. The reality is, hosting companies need to protect themselves and sometimes it involves an annoying process which is necessary.

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Old 04-12-2007, 11:18 AM
HE/LW-Sam HE/LW-Sam is offline
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2co wouldn't work in our case I am sorry to say. But I believe to also use verified by visa the actual card holder has to have signed up for it. I could be wrong.
Yup, so its also a reliable way to know that its the actual card holder.

However i understand, in some circumstances it can be an evil necessity.

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Old 04-12-2007, 11:20 AM
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Yup, so its also a reliable way to know that its the actual card holder.

I don't think there is any billing software out that supports it, i.e ubersmith, modernbill, or WHMAP.

I believe ALOT of hosts would be interested in that if the billing software we use supported it.

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