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04-06-2007, 04:50 PM #1Web Hosting Master
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Vonage Bites The Dust!
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wow, this is not good!Last edited by Project X; 04-06-2007 at 04:54 PM.
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04-06-2007, 05:02 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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Not good, I left their service after call quality went down the tube and their tech service turned to crap when they started their ad campaign. I use galaxyvoice and it's cheaper.
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The problem is not the way Vonage linked to Verizon's phone network (and who knows which phone company they cut into to get their calls out there?) , it is the way VOIP links to ANY phone network.
As I see it, the only way VOIP providers can avoid any infringement on these patents is to stick to PC to PC calls, thereby losing the main attraction of VOIP.
Vonage was simply the first domino in the line.
Now that Verizon has knocked over that domino, any other VOIP provider who links to any phone system is susceptible to a lawsuit...Nationhosts, LLC
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04-06-2007, 05:10 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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phone lines?
how do you figure?
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04-06-2007, 05:30 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Somerset InternetNationhosts, LLC
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04-06-2007, 06:14 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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it is the way VOIP links to ANY phone network.
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04-06-2007, 06:53 PM #7Newbie
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doesn't look dead yet.
i'm sure they'll get bought out by someone big
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They are appealing, so that allows them to still accept new sign-ups. Hopefully all works out for them, new and better technology shouldn't be thrown out like this.
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04-06-2007, 07:51 PM #9Retired Moderator
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Thread moved to Emerging Technologies and Markets.
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04-06-2007, 08:08 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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Pfft, Vonage won't ever go out of business.
Big things coming soon
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04-06-2007, 09:11 PM #11Web Hosting Guru
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Originally Posted by Nick H
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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04-06-2007, 09:54 PM #12Newbie
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somerset I had the same issue on call quality with them and the fact they don't have annonymous call rejection...
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04-06-2007, 10:02 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Nick H
they are restricted from signing up new business.
i actually sell voip, although not from vonage so i definitely have an interest in what happens here
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04-07-2007, 09:50 AM #14Web Hosting Guru
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Ouch. I use sunrocket.
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04-07-2007, 10:38 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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vonage got a temporary stay and they had to post a 66 million dollar bond with the courts
excellent time to buy vonage stock which is trading around 3 dollars down from a high of over 17 dollars (USD)
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04-07-2007, 12:34 PM #16Web Hosting Guru
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Honestly,
Even if they can take new customers, I am sure the new customer levels are way off due to all this, I know a few people who were considering them that have decided to use another service in stead.
I can understand asking them to compensate for the misuse, but for the Court to have the power to stop sales is something that needs to be looked at in my opinion.I always did like the clouds
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Originally Posted by Somerset Internet
I do however have about 300 shares of Ford. Start buying Fords!
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Ford is losing money on a daily basis, I wouldn't trust them if my life depended on it.
I am with Vonage myself, been with them for a while now, I personally don't want to go through all the hassle of getting a new provider so I hope they win out of this situation. I think Verizon is just a mean big bally 'ol bully!
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Originally Posted by spulis
if the only thing people had to do is compensate others for breaking the law and stealing their things, imagine how many people would be getting by with things.
i am not a fan of verizon and im not a fan of vonage but to claim that verizon is a bully is silliness.
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I'm uncertain if this is the exact patent in question, but the EFF is working on a VOIP related case by the sounds of it:
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/04/06...st_a_bogu.html
The EFF is pretty good once they set their mind on a particular goal, so theres good hands working there to say the least (eg. their latest victory over Michael Crook [Google if need be]).Myles Loosley-Millman - admin@prioritycolo.com
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04-09-2007, 07:25 PM #21Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by Nick H
With the telcos and cable companies going after VoIP, these patent disputes, triple play packages, and the fact they control major portions of the interweb tubes (the net neutrality issues) these independent VoIP providers really have a hard uphill battle.
Personally, I use SunRocket and have been pretty satisfied with it. I don't know the specific details to comment on whether there is patent infringement, but I hope Vonage wins out or else like someone else has said, it paves the way for Verizon to go after everyone else.
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04-09-2007, 08:23 PM #22SEO Extraordinaire
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Originally Posted by inogenius
Every time there is a change in the market or a new law in effect, Ford spends money lobbying when Honda spends money building a new engine
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04-09-2007, 08:35 PM #23Web Hosting Guru
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Actually Ford does need Labor laws changed. They unions are killing the American car companies. That is one reason Toyotas labor costs are so much cheaper at their US factories, yet the employees take home roughly the same amount of money.
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Unions are indeed another measure that have gone beyond their original aim and now being detrimental to business.
Actually associations and the like should not be allowed for field. When an association forms up, they immediately start to protect and further their own groups' interests even if they are in the expense of other groups or public in general. Little different than a medieval trading guild.
In a free market everything must be free, regulation should just come from laws to prevent exploitation, monopoly, abuse of environment and the like. For this to happen, "lobbying" concept should be thrown out of the window, and a way must be found to prevent big buck from buying senators behind the scenes.
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Have you had a fair share of irony today?
As for the Vonage issue, this makes it even more clear why patent laws need serious changes, although ending patents altogether would certainly be more effective.
A sad but clear indication of what happens when corporate protection outweighs the need for supply and demand economics to do their thing.A well-reasoned assumption is very close to fact.
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