View Poll Results: Are you interested in learning Ethical Hacking?
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Thread: Ethical Hacking
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03-24-2007, 01:58 PM #1New Member
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Ethical Hacking
Hello!
I just wanted to have a small survey regarding a development we are planning.
NASSCOM has predicted a demand of 188,000 Security professionals by 2008.
Would you be interested in learning about Information Security & Ethical Hacking through professional Distance Learning courses to make a career in the field?
If yes, How much do you think should be the price for a distance learning program which teaches you ethical hacking?
This course will have 22 chapters covering everything from enumeration to SQL Injection, Social Engineering etc and the course will be certified by a couple of International organisations aswell. By the end of the course, you will be able to do the following:
- Penetration Tests
- Network Audits - Routers, Switchs, Firewalls, IDS etc
- Vulnerability scanning and assessment of servers & network components.
Your replies are highly appreciated.
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03-24-2007, 02:40 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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I would.
Couple of years ago when I wanted to become a hacker I read everywhere and was told that I need programming and networking knowledge.
I am still at the programming field.
I read some books about hacking once a while, but to have a professional course would be great (as long as financial aid pays for it).
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03-24-2007, 02:54 PM #3New Member
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Originally Posted by azizny
What do you think should be the cost?
Being a private organisation, we do have a profit motive. However, Im sure we would be able to sell the course at a very affordable price (which doesn't mean that the course is not professional or does not have indepth details).
The reason for the low cost will be our low expenses. The course being prepared by a team of 11 members who have expierence of 8-9 years on average. 4 of them are from IIT and one is from MIT as far as I know. Development activities are going on in India which is why our expenses would be low.
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03-24-2007, 03:45 PM #4KM Carpenter
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I'm not sure about a price...
But, I am interested in the course. Keep me updated please.
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03-24-2007, 05:53 PM #5Mr. Awesome
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Probably a few hundred. Maybe $199 or so.
I would suggest offering the first chapter or two for free as a "teaser" to purchase the rest of the course.We are eNom PLATINUM PLUS resellers!
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03-25-2007, 04:44 AM #6New Member
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Originally Posted by Carp
Originally Posted by mrzippy
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03-25-2007, 07:44 AM #7
Are you Tamranda? He posted an identical thread at FWS.
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03-25-2007, 07:54 AM #8New Member
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Originally Posted by anon-e-mouse
I asked him to take a survey where possible so it must be him.
He is also involved in the venture but I am the Sales & Marketing Manager.
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03-25-2007, 08:17 AM #9New Member
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Hey,
Sorry I just realised the meaning of FWS as FreeWebspace.
Ankit was the one who told me about that forum and It was me only who posted the thread there using his account.
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03-25-2007, 12:27 PM #10Web Hosting Evangelist
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I don't think that any person can be strictly trained towards ethical hacking. It's very abstract and goes many ways - the idea is to get the components separately, know the details, and then come up with your own ideas. By training someone towards ethical hacking / security, they will only know the slight bit of details needed for that part. It's similar to giving someone a course in all aspects of web hosting - the whole subject is too broad.
In any case, I answered no: I'm already learning all the components by myself and don't think such a course would really help me. If a course is titled "ethical hacking", you're still likely to get unethical people to take the course and use it for unethical means.Mark Lu
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03-25-2007, 12:45 PM #11New Member
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Originally Posted by excelblue
Originally Posted by excelblue
Crackers have this knowledge which they use for unethical purposes, we are teaching ethical hacking to people so that they can join in the force to stop the bad guys. Atleast we expect that to happen. Most of the ethical hackers are taken in the corporate sector so that they defend the corporate networks and at a macro level this saves the world from a lot of damage.
The closest example I can find is that - You are not teaching Cops to use a gun because they might use that knowledge to kill good people. If it is done so, they would be helpless against the bad guys.
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03-25-2007, 01:00 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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... just curious, do you have a CISSP certificate?
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03-25-2007, 01:19 PM #13New Member
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Originally Posted by Pat H
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03-25-2007, 05:11 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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what can you teach that i cant read in a any number of books? (ie the hacking exposed series)
whats your target audience? someone who's been using *nix for a few years and wants to take it to the next step? someone who's a networking expert and wants to learn about host security? or a security guard that wants to take the knowledge he's learnt irl and transfer it to the online world?
excuse me for being cynical, but for say $200 i could buy about 10 very very good books, and learn about a wider breadth of material (i probably already own those 10 books, but theres a lot out there) - whats your angle that'll make it worth spending that cash?
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03-25-2007, 05:33 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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I know basics, but nowhere near enough to do any decent security hardening, so my answer is yes.
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03-25-2007, 05:40 PM #16New Member
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Originally Posted by Slidey
Reading books can give you knowledge but not certification.
Actully, we have two departments, one is for distance learning and the other one for classroom learning. For distance learning, our target audience would be a person who has working knowledge about networking, basic programming knowledge. Thats it.
I never said that the price will be $200 but please keep in mind it would include a lot more then what a book includes. Book is made out of paper, while developing such courses requires programmers, developers. Printing of certificates, online examination, support (you wont get that with a book) & a lot more. Im not trying to prove here if Virtual classroom programmes are better then books or not, I leave that for the customer to decide but all im trying to say is that it invloves more cost then printing a book and hence the price is higher. Although, I belive such interactive courses are much easy to understand and learn from.
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03-25-2007, 05:52 PM #17Currently in Beta
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i would be interested but that would really depend on the context. For example if you are going to set out logical progresion with associated media then yes. However if its just going to be a read this, read that then i can learn that from books.
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03-25-2007, 06:00 PM #18New Member
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Originally Posted by thebyp2
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03-25-2007, 07:05 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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my personal opinion is that the field is too large and varied, and that you'll only teach people to be newbies - you can teach someone how to be a sysadmin for example, but until they've got 1,5,10 years experience what good are they going to be ?
again i know it sounds like im disparaging you/your business when you're looking for advice/peoples opinions, but my personal opinion is that you cant just 'teach security' - its a process based almost as much on anecdotes and experience as the actual facts/information.. teaching someone stuff as varied as C coding, cryptography, packet filtering, os internals or the actual tools, let alone the social side of things - if you were teaching the equivalent of a degree on this stuff you might be able to cram it all in in 3 years, by which point half would be redundant anyway as the industry moves forward so quickly
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03-25-2007, 07:30 PM #20KM Carpenter
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Actually, I really dont know anything at all.
I've successfully installed PHP, MySQL, Apache, and Asterisk and use "vi" on a daily basis. That about it.
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03-27-2007, 01:46 PM #21New Member
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Originally Posted by Slidey
It doesn't mean that we will be only teaching the basics.
Another thing I wanted to tell is that we are not teaching someone to be a security guru and you wont be able to find new vuln. after doing this course. In order to do that, one needs immense dedication and quite a lot of experience.
However, just like what i said in the first post, a normal student should be able to do the following after doing our course:
- Penetration Tests
- Network Audits - Routers, Switchs, Firewalls, IDS etc
- Vulnerability scanning and assessment of servers & network components.
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03-30-2007, 09:53 AM #22Newbie
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I'd be interested in seeing the entire course layout. How will you filter
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