The point is that I am tired of kids thinking they can start a webhost and get things for free. If you have to ask for a free logo then you probably won't be able to afford other unforseen things along the way.
Andy, if you are so smart why don't you read my sig and see that i already have a hosting company. I can afford a logo and the other costs but i dont have a credit card atm so i cannot pay people in the US unless i use Paypal so thats why i asked for a free logo.
Any more comments you would like to make?
itsdestiney* - I can honestly say when I started my business that I new there would be a lot of expenses and I never requested someone do something for me for free. I think it would have been hard to take my venture seriously if I had.
Hosts get on to people for requesting free hosting why should it be different for designers and people who request free design services?
XScream So LoudX: hi
XScream So LoudX: do i no you?
acroff: This is Andyc from WHT.
XScream So LoudX: oh right
XScream So LoudX: im not sure who you are thow
XScream So LoudX: lol
acroff: Well, I just want you to know that I am not trying to be a jerk. But like I said hosts get on to people when they request free hosting and it is no different then designers in regards to people who request free design services.
XScream So LoudX: have i offended you in anyway?
XScream So LoudX: or somthing
XScream So LoudX: i dont get this
acroff: Well, you told me to leave the person alone on WHT and I was just clarifying my stance.
XScream So LoudX: oh i see
XScream So LoudX: i just found it unfair
XScream So LoudX: i do see what you meant but would it not of been easyer to have just not said anything
acroff: Yeah, but it just irritates me that much that I couldn't keep quiet
XScream So LoudX: but you do see it was unfair
XScream So LoudX: i mean u have to
XScream So LoudX: as it was
acroff: Yes, it is unfair to ask someone to do something for free. I can't go to my landlord and ask for a free place to live, or the gas station and ask for free fuel.
XScream So LoudX: that isnt the same is it it dont cost us designers a penny to do design for someone free just as a one off
acroff: Well, you are wrong there. Time is money. If it is what you do for a living designing something for free takes away time from a paying job.
XScream So LoudX: it is called having a hart doing some one a nice favour
acroff: Okay, do you have a hosting company?
XScream So LoudX: no i dont not yet thow
acroff: Let me know when you do. Maybe you can give me a free account?
XScream So LoudX: no that wont happen will it
acroff: How come?
XScream So LoudX: because that would cost me money
XScream So LoudX: doing design wont
acroff: Not really. If you are already paying for the server you won't have to pay anymore if you gave me an account for free.
XScream So LoudX: not the point thow is it
XScream So LoudX: i might need that space for a paying client
XScream So LoudX: but for design i wont need that extra 15-20 mins really would i ?
XScream So LoudX: its only a logo
acroff: You just agreed with me. Might need the space for a paying client. Might need the time to work on a logo for a paying client.
XScream So LoudX: but i no that i dont
XScream So LoudX: so i figured why not do somthing nice
acroff: Sorry, but giving stuff away for free won't get you far in business.
XScream So LoudX: its one small logo for someone who hasnt got the time or even the skill to do it allone
XScream So LoudX: god you must be one stuck up self centered bastard
XScream So LoudX: bye
isdestiney hes so far up himself he seems to think he is the boss of everyone.
I said i could pay but being in the UK with no credit cards presents difficulties paying someone in the USA.
He is obviously just trying to boost his post count, i dont appreciate the fact we can only advertise every 5 days and when i do someone like him completely trashes my ad. If hes not ofering a free logo or a paid logo in the UK why did he even bother replying to my post?
Saw your post and thought I'd put in a few samples. Hope you like!
The way I view logos are that they don't necessarily need to reflect the name, title, or description. They need to have visual appeal. That's what makes people remember them. If you can view a logo and know exactly what the company name is without the name of the company or product on the logo itself, the logo has done its job.
I personally like Logo 1, which is the first draft. It's amazing how much a logo changes just by moving a few components around. These would be good for both web and print.
Although I completely agree with Andrew and everything he has said, I am willing to do your logo if you are still looking, or at least do it and you can consider it Not because I agree with "free" work, but because I am looking to build my portfolio, and that's not something you do very well if you are trying to make people pay.