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    Losing my mind.

    Hi everyone!

    I have a very large website, and I'm having huge hosting problems. I switched from Powweb to 1and1 a few months ago. Far too late, I discovered that 1and1 is actually THE DEVIL. It's a long story, so I won't bore you with details. Basically, they want to terminate my account, won't give real reasons, won't answer questions, and are generally... well, evil.

    So anyway, it's time to switch hosts again. I would like to do this as soon as possible! There are just so many options out there, and it's hard to tell what is reliable and what isn't. When I switched to 1and1, I had no idea they were so bad. I read several good reviews, and a close friend even told me they were great. Well, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    I need some advice on finding a GOOD, RELIABLE, NON-EVIL host. Please give me lots of suggestions!

    Here's what you need to know:
    - I currently use about 25 GB storage
    - I use about 600 GB/mo bandwidth (I need at least 1TB just to be safe, I think)
    - I have 5000+ unique visits per day, sometimes many more.
    - I get up to 200,000 pageviews per day
    - I run a script which limits users to three file downloads per day per IP address. I think this might use up a lot of server resources, but I'm not sure. I need a host that can handle that.
    - I'm a poor college student. I can't really afford anything more expensive than $15/month.

    Any help is appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    - I currently use about 25 GB storage
    - I use about 600 GB/mo bandwidth (I need at least 1TB just to be safe, I think)
    - I have 5000+ unique visits per day, sometimes many more.
    - I get up to 200,000 pageviews per day
    - I run a script which limits users to three file downloads per day per IP address. I think this might use up a lot of server resources, but I'm not sure. I need a host that can handle that.
    - I'm a poor college student. I can't really afford anything more expensive than $15/month.
    With those requirements, you will continue to bounce from host to host. You need to either reduce your requirements or raise your budget if you want to avoid that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YetiHost-Wullie
    With those requirements, you will continue to bounce from host to host. You need to either reduce your requirements or raise your budget if you want to avoid that.
    Care to elaborate? What about my requirements doesn't fit the budget?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    Care to elaborate? What about my requirements doesn't fit the budget?
    Realistically, your bandwidth and diskspace do not fit the budget. You might find a host that majorly oversells and will allow you to transfer 1TB while using 25GB of disk space for $15, but add potential heavy resource usage on top of that and you really asking for too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    Care to elaborate? What about my requirements doesn't fit the budget?
    The bandwidth is what is making it bad. Most hosts will not sell 1TB with a $15 hosting plan, most dedicated servers $60 and above come with 1TB of bandwidth.

    Oh, sorry, I didn't notice your disk space. That is also a factor.
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    Sure I will for what you are asking is basically a small server. Except your price of 15.00 you will never find with a host that is decent. You will continue to keep getting kicked off servers. Most hosting companys say they will give you that but when they realize that is what you use.... well TOS violation and there is really nothing you can do about it. Always make sure you read the fine print
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    Are there any hosts out there that are NOT overselling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    Are there any hosts out there that are NOT overselling?
    There are few, if any, and generally, most hosts oversell, but in a limited manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailseh
    There are few, if any, and generally, most hosts oversell, but in a limited manner.
    Can you tell me of some places where it's not so bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    Are there any hosts out there that are NOT overselling?
    Yes, but you would need to quadruple your budget at the very least to get close to those requirements. The less the host oversells, the more you will pay, it's not like finding a host who doesn't oversell is going to make things cheaper for you.
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    What would be a reasonable price to pay for my bandwidth usage?
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    80 to 100.00
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    Quote Originally Posted by YetiHost-Wullie
    Yes, but you would need to quadruple your budget at the very least to get close to those requirements. The less the host oversells, the more you will pay, it's not like finding a host who doesn't oversell is going to make things cheaper for you.
    Seems like you work for a hosting company... you're a bit biased to answer, don't you think?

    It's also unrealistic to expect me to pay $60/month for a personal website.
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    60.00 a month for the amount of space and bandwith you are using would be a great deal.
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    Ok guys, can someone RECOMMEND A HOST? ANY HOST?? I asked for that in my first post, and after 12 responses, not ONE PERSON has recommended ANY HOST?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    Seems like you work for a hosting company... you're a bit biased to answer, don't you think?
    That's like saying a plumber is bias because they give you a quote. Are you saying people who don't know the true cost should reply instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    It's also unrealistic to expect me to pay $60/month for a personal website.
    NO more unrealistic than expecting to get all those resources for the small price you are looking to pay. Why should the host take the hit so you do not need to pay as much?
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    You will just have to search for a good host. So many people on here have hosting companys
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    Not many are going to advertise what you are wanting. So finding on that is real will be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmo
    You will just have to search for a good host. So many people on here have hosting companys
    And that seems to be the problem here.

    I asked for recommendations. ANY OLD RECOMMENDATIONS WILL DO. But no one has been able to provide a single recommendation YET! I stated in the first post that I've searched for a good one. This is clearly part of my search for a good one, but I need recommendations.
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    Several people have responded to your post you just need to find out which ones will have what you are looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmo
    Not many are going to advertise what you are wanting. So finding on that is real will be a problem.
    No... actually, a LOT advertise MORE than what I am wanting. The issue is that I don't know which ones are reliable.
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    Do a search on them see if there are any complaints. Do you mind if I ask what your site is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmo
    Do a search on them see if there are any complaints. Do you mind if I ask what your site is?
    There are going to be some complaints about everyone. That doesn't mean that they are all valid complaints. I'm sure your host also has plenty of complaints. I'm just looking for someone who will suit my needs, where I will not run into any unpleasant "surprises" down the road.

    My site is a very large fansite:

    http://soul-hunter.com/sailormoon (I own the domain)
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    BTW, powweb was an excellent host when I was with them... they just didn't offer as much bandwidth as I wanted, which is the only reason I switched. They didn't seem to oversell the bandwidth at all, and they were very reasonably priced. I just needed a tiny bit more bandwidth. Are you telling me that powweb is the only reasonably priced host that doesn't oversell?
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    If you were happy with their hosting other than the small bandwith issue I would suggest that you go with them. Just look at the point you put out you were happy with them ... You just needed more bandwith. You might be able to work something out with them. Just a suggestion
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwmo
    If you were happy with their hosting other than the small bandwith issue I would suggest that you go with them. Just look at the point you put out you were happy with them ... You just needed more bandwith. You might be able to work something out with them. Just a suggestion
    That really doesn't solve the problem of needing more bandwidth ^^;

    They can't offer more than what they currently offer. And I don't want to take content off of my website, because it is useful to a lot of people.

    What I really need is a host LIKE them that has slightly more bandwidth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    I'm just looking for someone who will suit my needs, where I will not run into any unpleasant "surprises" down the road.
    And here lies the problem. If you don't want surprises, go with a high end host, otherwise, risk one of the ones talked about most here on WHT like Hostgator, Site5, dreamhost, etc etc. You may get lucky and be able to use them without issue, or you may have the same issue as you did with 1and1.

    Also, the hosts that have posted in this thread don't match your requirements and so I don't think they are posting out of wrong doing. However, like I said before you don't want surprises or jumping from host to host, go high end, add ads to your site, get money else where. Otherwise, go with one of the budget hosts and risk it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steven99
    And here lies the problem. If you don't want surprises, go with a high end host, otherwise, risk one of the ones talked about most here on WHT like Hostgator, Site5, dreamhost, etc etc. You may get lucky and be able to use them without issue, or you may have the same issue as you did with 1and1.

    Also, the hosts that have posted in this thread don't match your requirements and so I don't think they are posting out of wrong doing. However, like I said before you don't want surprises or jumping from host to host, go high end, add ads to your site, get money else where. Otherwise, go with one of the budget hosts and risk it.
    Do you know of any good budget hosts at all? Like I said, powweb was excellent, it just didn't quite fit my needs. Surely, they're not the only decent host around... there's got to be something of the same caliber that offers a little more bandwidth.

    On a semi-related note, do ads really help? I might consider adding them if they're worth the big ugly distraction on my page...
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    I've quoted three of the "top" budget hosts. There are no guarantees any budget host would kick or not kick you off their server. Even powweb might have at some point. Speaking of them, have you talked to them to see if they'll give you more bandwidth?

    As for ads, even google ad sense or whatever it's called might be able to bring in good money with the traffic you have.
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    u can go for 9999mb.com its a free web hosting u 'll get 10gb diskspace,
    1000gb bandwitch
    http://Smilemaker.uk.to
    (More than 800 readymade scripts)
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    I don't think that Powweb would offer me more bandwidth... I guess I'll try, though!

    Do you know anything about Lunarpages hosting? I have read some positive things about it, and it fits in my budget.

    I might also try working with ads... I just don't know how much revenue it will bring in. But I suppose I can always try!
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    I hate to jump in and repeat what others have said but for your requirements you are not going to find anything for under $100 per month and if you do then you are going to keep getting nooted once they realize how much bandwidth your using.

    My web sites far exceed 10 times the amount that your web site sees for unique visits and page previews. Your forums only have 498 members and I have over 12,000 members in my forums. I don’t even come close to 300GB a month. I thin I average about 150GB a month. The point I am trying to make is that you bandwidth is be consumed by your downloads. I looked over you web site. You have very large downloads for anyone to download. You have over 200 episodes of downloads and they average 38MG apiece and anyone can download them. I was able to download them and I am not a member of any part of your web site. I did not even check into you song collection, so I don’t know how big that collection is. When you provide a free service like this with downloads then you are going to get people sponging of you for nothing.

    Do you really need to offer downloading to everyone in the world for free?

    Another option to think about that would bring in some revenue. If you are really getting a lot of traffic you might want to think about using adsence from googel and putting ads on you web site. This will help you afford a higher priced hosting service. Be aware that google ads do not bring in money overnight.

    If you have not problem with Powweb then I would go back there. But like someone else mentioned, with using cheap hosting companies, once you hosting companies realize that you are using a lot of bandwidth they are going to keeping doing the same thing that 1and1 is doing to you now.

    I can not offer you any recommendations because I am on a dedicated server and you sure can not afford on of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by attroll
    The point I am trying to make is that you bandwidth is be consumed by your downloads.
    I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by attroll
    I looked over you web site. You have very large downloads for anyone to download. You have over 200 episodes of downloads and they average 38MG apiece and anyone can download them. I was able to download them and I am not a member of any part of your web site. I did not even check into you song collection, so I don’t know how big that collection is. When you provide a free service like this with downloads then you are going to get people sponging of you for nothing.


    Downloads are limited to three per day per IP address. The song collection isn't that large, and it's unlimited, but it doesn't take up as much bandwidth. I don't want to make my site a pay site for a variety of reasons. I also don't think that bandwidth is the real issue here. I'm well below my current host's bandwidth quota, and I would be below quota on MANY hosts. The only reason they would have a problem would be if they were overselling... so I'm looking for a host that doesn't do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by attroll
    If you have not problem with Powweb then I would go back there. But like someone else mentioned, with using cheap hosting companies, once you hosting companies realize that you are using a lot of bandwidth they are going to keeping doing the same thing that 1and1 is doing to you now.
    I've already said why I can't go back with Powweb... I'm looking for something comparable to Powweb in terms of reliability, but that offers more bandwidth.
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    Dreamhost.com perhaps...
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    I like your site. I won't visit it again because I don't want to take up your bandwidth. If it is taking up hundred of bandwidth a month, why don't you charge people to view some section of your site. Also you should limit the download to one per day per ip address. An idea would be to set up a donation page, so that when a person click 'download', they get to the donation page. They would have to donate something to get to the download page.
    If you are a poor college student, then you should not be running a website that take up more bandwidth than you can afford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    Hi everyone!

    I have a very large website, and I'm having huge hosting problems. I switched from Powweb to 1and1 a few months ago. Far too late, I discovered that 1and1 is actually THE DEVIL. It's a long story, so I won't bore you with details. Basically, they want to terminate my account, won't give real reasons, won't answer questions, and are generally... well, evil.

    So anyway, it's time to switch hosts again. I would like to do this as soon as possible! There are just so many options out there, and it's hard to tell what is reliable and what isn't. When I switched to 1and1, I had no idea they were so bad. I read several good reviews, and a close friend even told me they were great. Well, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    I need some advice on finding a GOOD, RELIABLE, NON-EVIL host. Please give me lots of suggestions!

    Here's what you need to know:
    - I currently use about 25 GB storage
    - I use about 600 GB/mo bandwidth (I need at least 1TB just to be safe, I think)
    - I have 5000+ unique visits per day, sometimes many more.
    - I get up to 200,000 pageviews per day
    - I run a script which limits users to three file downloads per day per IP address. I think this might use up a lot of server resources, but I'm not sure. I need a host that can handle that.
    - I'm a poor college student. I can't really afford anything more expensive than $15/month.

    Any help is appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BettyAnn
    The only reason they would have a problem would be if they were overselling... so I'm looking for a host that doesn't do that.
    You are not taking in what we have been telling you.

    For a host to offer resources anywhere near 25GB of disk (and/or) 1TB bandwidth for only $15 they are massively overselling. You are wanting someone who offers this amount of resources but doesn't oversell, but you are expecting them to charge you less for your package than the cost to them and that is not going to happen.

    The only way you will find what you need is on a host that massively oversells and by going with them you must be open to the chance that you will need to move at any time because your usage is too high. If you want to remove this possibility, you need to either drop your requirements or raise your budget considerably.
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    Hi Betty,
    Are you aware that powweb has doubled their disk space and bandwidth? Since you enjoyed their service previously, would these new limits be viable?

    Please correct me if I have strayed wildly from the path here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YetiHost-Wullie
    You are not taking in what we have been telling you.

    For a host to offer resources anywhere near 25GB of disk (and/or) 1TB bandwidth for only $15 they are massively overselling. You are wanting someone who offers this amount of resources but doesn't oversell, but you are expecting them to charge you less for your package than the cost to them and that is not going to happen.

    The only way you will find what you need is on a host that massively oversells and by going with them you must be open to the chance that you will need to move at any time because your usage is too high. If you want to remove this possibility, you need to either drop your requirements or raise your budget considerably.
    No, you're not getting what she has been telling you.
    She asked for recommendations -- not a lesson on why overselling can be fatal for her site.

    There's more than enough providers out there who can fit the description you're after bettyAnn.

    A few of the 'larger' oversellers who seem to be a-okay:

    www.hostrocket.com -- 25gigs of space, unlimited bandwidth. I actually hosted a site with them that was unable to operate on my dual xeons due to the cpu load. They didn't complain a single time.

    www.dreamhost.com -- support is a tad slow with this one. Their clustering system should allow you to utilize quite a bit more than most hosts without getting nailed.

    Enjoy.
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    * Unfortunately I can't change my post after 15 minutes, so I have to split it up into two posts. *

    -- NB: The following section is largely aimed at providing information rather than advice, so skip it if you don't feel like reading much --

    If the new limits put in place by powweb meet your requirements, then you're fine in the storage and bandwidth department (providing powweb provides what they have promised). I get the feeling that you may have slightly misunderstood what was originally said in this thread. YetiHost-Wullie was saying that you may be able to actually use the allotted storage and bandwidth of overselling web hosts, but what you cannot do is use too many server resources.

    The reason for this is that overselling web hosts operate off the principle that only a VERY small percentage of their users will actually use anywhere near the provided disk space and transfer. This enables the host to account for the odd user that is actually capable of using up all provided storage and bandwidth. The other factor that enables these hosts (at least the really big ones) to sell so many resources is their purchasing power. Because they have so many users, these hosts can purchase massive amounts of disk space (e.g. clustered file storage servers) and bandwidth, thus meaning that they are capable of handling the odd user utilizing their allotted bandwidth and storage.

    -- End of informative section --

    What I think may be the problem with your website is not so much its storage and bandwidth requirements (although they are surprising, I guess a testimony to your site's success), but rather CPU usage. Even though a host MAY be able to provide you with the quoted bandwidth and storage, what they CANNOT do is allow you to hog the CPU on a server hosting 300+ people (if oversold). So what you need to do is find some way to reduce CPU usage. One way I could think of to do this would be to migrate your script that limits users to 3 downloads per IP per day from what I assume is some sort or server side scripting such as php (?) with a MySQL backend (?) to client side solution e.g. JavaScript and cookies. The JavaScript and cookie combination would (at least the way I see it) be doing the same thing as your current script and database solution, the advantage being that all resource intensive tasks are re-allocated to the user's computer, thus saving on your host's resources.

    If you could provide a better description of your script I might be able to give more accurate advice.

    I don't know how viable this would actually be for your website, or wether it will be helpful at all but hopefully you gain something useful from this post .
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