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Thread: England, UK and Britain
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01-17-2007, 10:45 AM #26Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by stealthdevil
Why is it not part of the UK?
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01-17-2007, 10:53 AM #27Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by jiggyjohn
See :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...lic_of_IrelandThe 9 words of life quote -
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01-17-2007, 11:16 AM #28Web Hosting Master
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It's not part of the UK because they have different believes and different people really...
The Irish, Scots, Welsh and Northern French are all apart of the Celtic background... However, the English basically invaded Ireland and done some things which I'm not going to get into... anyway they converted a lot of the Irish to believe in the English ways, and become part of the Protestant church, the Protestant church was created to Protest against the richness of the Catholic church.
It leaded to a big battle of hundreds of years and resulted in Northern Ireland splitting from Ireland it's self. If you ever call an Northern Irish man, Irish he will probably slap you and call himself British (or the majority anyway).
It's kind of the same for Scotland these days, the Scots have a very celtic culture to this day, however they do have a lot of British culture in them as well. The problem that is evolving is that Scottish Members of Parliment are aloud to vote about English decisions, but the English aren't allowed to vote about Scottish Issues.
In law, a UK law can't be passed onto Scotland if it goes against Scots Law, this means that all laws are reviewed to see if they are breach of the law... although there has been a law recently broken, that being the law of the Scottish Army being combined. In Scots law the only person that can combine or disband the army is a member of the Scottish Royal Family (which no longer exists).
You need to remember that countries like Ireland, Scotland and England have had settelers on the land for over 10,000 years (we think) so we have a lot of history, it's not that easy just to merge countries.
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01-17-2007, 11:22 AM #29Web Hosting Master
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Eire (Southern Ireland) isn't part of the UK.
If "Britain" goes to war, say in Afghanistan or Iraq, it is infact the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland doing so. Britain is more commonly used (incorrectly at times) becuase we consider ourselves British citizens. My nationality is British, I hold a British passport.
Americans find it easier if they think of the Scottish parliament a bit like a state government. It's still under the federal government but has some (and an ever increasing) authority of it's own.
And whilst I am English within the 4 nations and I enjoy a friendly rivalry between England, Scotland, Wales and NI, we definitely should not split as is currently being reported in the news.Matthew Russell | Namecheap
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01-17-2007, 12:21 PM #30Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by mdrussell
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01-17-2007, 12:42 PM #31Mac User
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I understand the system. But imho, its a wee bit complex.
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01-17-2007, 01:20 PM #32Web Hosting Master
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It really isn't that complex at all, its not like we have multiple passports different currerncies, or have to fill out several tax return forms a year etc.
It's the exact same as living in any other country, it's just easier to think of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as States similair to America's system...
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01-17-2007, 01:22 PM #33Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by pred
Originally Posted by mdrussell
Originally Posted by reanncwLast edited by Critic; 01-17-2007 at 01:26 PM.
The 9 words of life quote -
"Act with honour, seek justice, die true, remembered well."
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01-17-2007, 01:28 PM #34WHT Addict
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Originally Posted by pred
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01-17-2007, 03:10 PM #35Web Hosting Evangelist
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I hate the scottish......
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01-17-2007, 03:33 PM #36Web Hosting Master
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Darn, I never knew that . Thank you!
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01-17-2007, 03:38 PM #37Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Jamesc
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01-17-2007, 03:46 PM #38Engineer
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01-17-2007, 05:38 PM #39Junior Guru Wannabe
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01-17-2007, 10:29 PM #40Web Hosting Master
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I had been in the UK for a while, when England say they are England, they really mean they are England people only. They don't really like scottish or Irlish
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01-18-2007, 10:14 AM #41Newbie
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Who would of thought such a simple topic could become so complicated, I live in England and from reading all the posts even ive become confused
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01-18-2007, 12:37 PM #42WHT Addict
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Originally Posted by LiberLibri
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01-18-2007, 02:28 PM #43Web Hosting Master
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01-18-2007, 04:53 PM #44New Member
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Good luck solving this . I would suggest maybe starting at the great britain wiki, search for "great britain"
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01-18-2007, 08:36 PM #45Web Hosting Evangelist
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Originally Posted by Vortex-Steve
Just to confuse matters, you could refer to the British Isles (which is now, in some circles, considered politically incorrect). This term refers to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, The Republic of Ireland and the Isle of Man. In some contexts it also includes the Channel Islands.Last edited by Xenatino; 01-18-2007 at 08:43 PM.
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01-18-2007, 10:07 PM #46Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by LiberLibri
I am from England and living in America-- the American 'Scots' (who had a scottish great great great grandfather ) insist they must hate the English, and so forth.. I just want to smack em' and say You're American !
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06-10-2007, 04:42 PM #47Junior Guru Wannabe
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Sorry for bumping this, it turned up in a search.
When people talk about Americans being ignorant to everywhere except America, I thought it was just a perpetuated stereotype. This thread has actually shocked me!
And regarding the ignorance surrounding Ireland - are you aware that America was funding Irish terrorist action in the rest of the UK (right up until 9/11)?
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06-10-2007, 07:15 PM #48Web Hosting Master
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Search a little further and you will discover that you want to talk about citizens of the USA. When you say Americans you are talking about all North Americans, Central Americans and South Americans. So unless you actually want to bash both continents and all the countries comprising them, you may wish to be more precise.
P.S. Most "Americans" are unaware of the IRA support because it was concentrated in the areas surrounding Boston and influential New England politicians (hint, drowned a woman and not a neocon) did a great job of protecting these terrorist supporters."Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
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06-10-2007, 10:19 PM #49Junior Guru Wannabe
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"Americans" is an accepted term. I still know the structure of the country, and don't think that Arizona is a part of Chicago, or perhaps in direct comparison with the confusion here, that the USA is a city in New York.
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I don't disagree with you, but I don't entirely agree. There's a lot of things wrong with the American educational system. Often times those with the motivation and potential are not at all challenged to become everything that they can. The educational system simply doesn't account for overachievers, nor the underachievers, it simply strives to be mediocre. Those who attempt to do more are held down -- those that struggle are forgotten. The finger pointing shouldn't just be at the school system; if anything, much of it should go to the parents. They, out of everyone involved in their child's life, should be able to challenge their children, but often times the excuse of "I've had a long day at work" is thrown around. The American lifestyle is pathetic.
Again, I throw out www.oured.org.