View Poll Results: Display advertising forums post counts in user profiles?
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01-15-2007, 12:05 PM #76Retired Moderator
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01-15-2007, 12:21 PM #77Retired Moderator
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Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
The point is that the decision wasn't random, and it certainly wasn't done by the influence of a few people. There was a time the lounge didn't count toward post count. The community didn't like it and expressed solid reasoning behind the dislike, and post count is back in the lounge.
No, removing post count from the advertising forums does not mean other forums will fall like dominos, as you've posited. Quite to the contrary has been proven on WHT time and time again already.
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01-15-2007, 12:39 PM #78CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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No, it's not a joke. Many people are afraid to confront moderators about things they disagree with.
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01-15-2007, 12:45 PM #79Dennis Johnson
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Judging by this, and other threads in Feedback, I don't think many members agree with you.
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01-15-2007, 03:04 PM #80ex. *** *****
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Well I'm sure Jeff has a point there though, one would think three times rather than twice before confronting/ opposing on an issue against a positioned member.
Anyway doesn't the poll show a lot of opposition?
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01-15-2007, 03:13 PM #81Retired Moderator
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Originally Posted by The Engine
Regardless, the poll doesn't dictate policy. Good decisions for the right reasons dictate it. People will vote against the change because no one likes losing their post count, and that's fine. But when asked to consider the good of the community, given all the information available, I don't see how you can argue against the change.Studio1337___̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡.__Web Design
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01-15-2007, 03:34 PM #82Junior Guru
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Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
I think as long as you do it in a professional manor and not start arguments in threads they have no problem hearing opposition to there thoughts or actions on these forums.
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01-15-2007, 04:47 PM #83Web Hosting Master
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Myself personally, I voted for 'Yes.' simply due to the fact that I am proud of the amount of posts I make () and would like to show that off (once I reach a couple thousand) *sigh* I don't even have one thousand anymore!
Anyways, my personal opinion is being rather 'strict' on the content posted in the advertisement forums. I think one of THE biggest problems in those forums are the people that post 'Great design! Good luck' (I'll admit, I've done that before!). Clearly, those people are doing this only to increase their post count. Perhaps filtering those posts out would be something to consider.
I don't know to much about vBulliten, but just like cuss words (they are replaced with '******'), perhaps any post that consists of something along the lines of
Great design! Good luck with the sale.
But as far as actually posting advertisements go, I think they should most certainly count. I don't see a reason why they shouldn't count.
Once again... that's my $00.2
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01-15-2007, 10:00 PM #84Hey, whats your uptime ?
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I havent voted and I wont. The reason is simple. I dont know which way to go and honestly it doesnt bother me too much.
I was eager last year to get my own subtitle (or whatever thats called), so I "needed" to have the posts ;-).
I was not aware that such a discussion was coming up, but I do feel like honestly it doesnt matter so much for me if they count the posts within f.e Advertisment section or not.
I was shaved down from 560 to now roughly 350, so that says it all I guess.
I think its fully acceptable without the "extra" points. I would also have to accept if they take the subtitle back there are not many point of argueing left. After all its WHT's policy. Its fair enough that they listen to their users and ask for feedback.
Perhaps what WHT should do is
1) Offer f.e. the subtitle for a little fee if they are after money
2) Add a community indicator showing the ratio between posting non-productive (f.e. advertisement) and productive posts in the several forums.
I am aware that I just opened another can of worms probably ;-)
Perhaps there will be no end to it.
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01-16-2007, 02:20 AM #85Web Hosting Evangelist
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i personally dont really care. as i dont really look at the post counts nor the user info on the postbit i normally just look at the content of the post.
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01-16-2007, 02:33 AM #86Retired Moderator
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I do not think post counts should be counted in the advertising forums. There are a fair amount of users who basically only post in there and do not contribute to the community.
As far as the other things go, I really don't think this will spiral out of control and start cutting posts from every category.
I can see the point of it and I think it is a good plan. Although I do hang around the template/design category a lot and I do make the occasional "great design" comments because I use it as a basis for inspiration
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01-16-2007, 11:21 PM #87Junior Guru Wannabe
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I'm fine with them not counting posts.
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01-17-2007, 02:36 AM #88WS Developer
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It doesnt matter for me
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01-18-2007, 10:50 PM #89Retired Moderator
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Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
Well, confronting them does no good even when they admit they are wrong. They just close the complaint tickets and try to sweep it under the rug instead of dealing with it. Pretty sad if you ask me.
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01-18-2007, 10:58 PM #90Dennis Johnson
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01-18-2007, 11:08 PM #91Retired Moderator
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Yeah, closing the ticket without addressing all the questions is really resolving it.
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01-18-2007, 11:27 PM #92only humans do that!
Seriously though:
Confronting mods about things that are disagreed with is FINE. I've done so before a time or two. Just remember that the MOD is right. No matter what, the mod is right. I don't say that to be disrespectful, in fact just the opposite.
In the end, the mod IS always right. Whether you agree with them , or not, they are. Keep in mind that EVERY mod will have a different opinion too, so just because ONE mod says "hey, this is wrong" doesn't mean it is.
Case in point:
A few months back, I was "warned" for speaking of a company whom I've never been a customer (though I've had countless dealings with). I attempted to dispute the warning, and it remained valid. No worries, I looked at it as a company who didn't want to face the reality of what they offered
Two weeks later, a MUCH better worded review got me in the same problem. This time, however, nothing came of it. Why? Because different mods will have different opinions.
The mods aren't perfect, they're human. They do a THANKLESS job for donuts (if even that), and have to take crap from people like me on a daily basis. No thanks, been there, got the t-shirt, done that.
The best way to deal with things? Do it PRIVATELY. Disagree all you want, but do it PRIVATELY. Don't raise a fuss , because that's only ASKING for trouble.
Anyways, I fail to see how this is even on the original topic, anyways.Tom Whiting, WHMCS Guru extraordinaire
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01-19-2007, 12:48 AM #93Retired Moderator
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Originally Posted by Mike Walczak
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LOL, I agree with you!
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01-19-2007, 12:58 PM #94CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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What bothers me is that even if the vote turns out to be "Yes" the management will still keep it at "No" if they don't like the reasons for the "Yes."
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01-19-2007, 01:12 PM #95LORD OF THE RINGS
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Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
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01-19-2007, 01:19 PM #96Retired Moderator
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Originally Posted by IRCCo JeffStudio1337___̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡.__Web Design
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01-19-2007, 01:51 PM #97Retired Moderator
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Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
There are times when the communities opinion (or poll) is going to drive change and there are times when, even if the communities opinion (or poll) doesnt agree with it, there's going to be change.
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01-19-2007, 02:28 PM #98Disabled
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Im just glad we do have the advertising forums and are allowed to post in it. I dont see why people is so worried about one post a week anyway.
As I mentioned in the other thread about this, Thanks for allowing us to advertise our services for free. Someone like me just really getting started on my own hosting business I do not have any advertising budget and this helps me tremendously.
So you will never hear me complain about it, Im sure some other hosters feel the same way
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01-19-2007, 02:44 PM #99New Member
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As a newcomer (this is my first post here) I really have to ask this question:
Is it the consensus among the site management that advertising is the least valuable activity on these forums?
I have been visiting the site for atleast 4 years but since my primary activity isn't webhosting, had not felt the need to sign up earlier. I have however purchased hosting / hardware / services from advertisers & feel that it is to your benefit to have me spend my money with your members.
Previously I had considered taking up the services of one of the server management companies or even hiring an admin on a part-time basis. I didn't see the point in posting 10 items of dubious quality in order to post a request & simply took my business elsewhere.
Today I wanted to offer a commission to any designers among your members to for a small re-design / integration job on one of my sites with the prospect of a larger scale CMS re-design & coding project sometime in the near future. I probably will not at this rate because I don't see myself reaching the 10 post mark within the next few weeks.
I am sure that you are not going to starve because I didn't place an order with you but do you really want to turn people like me away?
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01-19-2007, 02:52 PM #100I am sure that you are not going to starve because I didn't place an order with you but do you really want to turn people like me away?
Previously I had considered taking up the services of one of the server management companies or even hiring an admin on a part-time basis. I didn't see the point in posting 10 items of dubious quality in order to post a request & simply took my business elsewhere.
Today I wanted to offer a commission to any designers among your members to for a small re-design / integration job on one of my sites with the prospect of a larger scale CMS re-design & coding project sometime in the near future. I probably will not at this rate because I don't see myself reaching the 10 post mark within the next few weeks.
You're already well on your way to 10 posts (ok, you're on your way), contribute to the forums, in various other parts, you'll find yourself @ 10 in no time.
From what I understand, the 10 post rule is there for two reasons:
A> to keep the spammers out (which it's doing)
B> To ensure that individuals who DO post in there have had a chance to familliarize themselves with the rules. Believe it or not, not everyone reads them when signing up.
Oh, and Welcome to WHT!!!
What bothers me is that even if the vote turns out to be "Yes" the management will still keep it at "No" if they don't like the reasons for the "Yes."Last edited by whmcsguru; 01-19-2007 at 02:55 PM.
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