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01-04-2007, 04:33 PM #1Junior Guru
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Did hostgator buy futurehosting?
I tried accessing futurehosting.com because it was recommended. But instead that little gator comes up and is linked to hostgator.
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01-04-2007, 04:35 PM #2Web Hosting Guru
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They have probably bought them out.
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01-04-2007, 05:06 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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All the references I see on Google go to futurehosting.biz not futurehosting.com
The former is probably still owned by the original owners.A Collection of Web Hosts
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01-04-2007, 05:07 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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No, Host Gator did not buy us. The owner of futurehosting.com has refused to sell the domain to us for several years and we have stuck with .biz.
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01-04-2007, 05:07 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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Hm!
Is the link on there an affiliate ad by any chance?
Appears to be. Smart owner of the domain (although I despise squatters myself).
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01-04-2007, 05:28 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by futurehostingA Collection of Web Hosts
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01-04-2007, 06:21 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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If you look closely, the HostGator logo at futurehosting.com is linked to a HostGator affiliate link. Crafty little devils they are!
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01-04-2007, 07:32 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by futurehosting
Man that must be a pain! BTW nice site! reminds me very much of softlayer nice█ The Hosting Heroes Ltd - over 20 years in the UK hosting industry.
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01-05-2007, 02:25 AM #9Retired Moderator
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Smart owner of the domain (although I despise squatters myself).
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01-05-2007, 03:36 AM #10Location = SoapBox
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Well, if there was no "futurehosting" company at the time when he got the domain, I see nothing wrong with him holding the domain.
futurehosting.biz, you have legal recourse if you are so inclined:
According to the U.S. federal law known as the Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, cybersquatting is registering, trafficking in, or using a domain name with bad-faith intent to profit from the goodwill of a trademark belonging to someone else.www.cartika.com
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01-05-2007, 03:46 AM #11Retired Moderator
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I'd agree with cartika, however wht is hardly the place to seek any kind of legal advice, if you decide to persue attempting to gain your gtld I'd definitely seek legal counsel.
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01-05-2007, 03:51 AM #12Retired Moderator
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Lots of things wrong with it -
But I'm open to heed any counter arguments.
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01-05-2007, 04:03 AM #13Location = SoapBox
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But I'm open to heed any counter arguments.
However, counter perspectives
Well, again, if the guy simply thought it was a great name back when futurehosting wasn't a trademark/company yet, we (or at least I) can't really think bad of him. There would be no "bad-faith".
for example - you purchase gidgets.com today and 3 years from now someone registers a trademark on selling gidgets, yet you are redirecting searches for gidgets to their direct competitor - this would be considered domain squatting (assuming proof of claim could be verified)
I am obviously no expert, and certainly professional counsel should be sought - i am only speaking to personal experiences - either directly, or indirectly through those experienced by customers ...www.cartika.com
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01-05-2007, 04:07 AM #14WHT Addict
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They are pointing to a competitor, they would totally have a legal issue with it,
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01-05-2007, 04:20 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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I dunno, it's just bad business that futurehosting.biz did not secure the .com before branding the inferior .biz. If the .biz owner wants to go after the .com owner, seems the .com owner refuses to sell, then good luck. I don't like your chances. The .biz is at least 3 steps under the .com and you should never brand a .biz without owning the .com.
Seems the .biz was registered after the .com.
FUTUREHOSTING.BIZ - Creation Date: Dec 16 2001
FUTUREHOSTING.COM - Creation Date: 10-jul-2001
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01-05-2007, 04:27 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by futurehosting
Yes, brand does spill upwards, and not always downwards. A perfect example of upwards spillage would be let's say Microsoft branded Microsoft.biz, but did not own Microsoft.com (just an example as this would never happen) - now massive brand/traffic would spill up from the .biz to the .com because .com is King.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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01-05-2007, 02:04 PM #17Location = SoapBox
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This is another example of bad branding, and mistakes made early on will come around to bite you in the rear end later.
FUTUREHOSTING.BIZ - Creation Date: Dec 16 2001
FUTUREHOSTING.COM - Creation Date: 10-jul-2001
isnt the legislation specifically written with the intent of preventing such things?
ie) using a domain name to redirect to competitors or otherwise confuse consumers (ie has hostgator purchased futurehosting) - obviously hostgator has done nothing wrong here, but, I would terminate that affiliate if I was them - though, I do not know if there are any legal requirements/ramifications or not...www.cartika.com
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01-05-2007, 02:20 PM #18Web Hosting Guru
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Nissan.com is another exmple. Nissan has been trying for many years to get that domain name however they lost in court a few years ago. That was because Nissan Computers is a registered corporation and it’s not in direct competition to the car manufacture.
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01-05-2007, 02:22 PM #19Location = SoapBox
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Nissan.com is another exmple. Nissan has been trying for many years to get that domain name however they lost in court a few years ago. That was because Nissan Computers is a registered corporation and it’s not in direct competition to the car manufacture.
so, what would have happened if nissan.com was owned by Ford and they were directing all traffic to the ford site? or what would have happened if nissan.com was owned by a private party who was getting paid by ford to direct traffic and sales to them and away from nissan?www.cartika.com
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01-05-2007, 02:24 PM #20Web Hosting Guru
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They would have lost the lawsuit for sure. As I said, the only reason was due to the fact that the company is a registered corporation and is not in direct competition.
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01-05-2007, 02:26 PM #21Web Hosting Guru
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I guess it also helps having your last name being Mr. Nissan.
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01-06-2007, 02:24 AM #22Retired Moderator
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Hmm... I don't know...
let's look at it from futurehosting.com's owner for a moment. Or in fact, from anyone who registers a "good" domain name, not trademarked by anyone. you get it in the hope of starting a business or selling it some someone inetested in developing a site under that domain. (it's a common investment pratice) One, or two, or 10 years later, someone decides to start a company using the domain name you've thought of and paid for all these years.
Now, is it fair to just hand your domain to this company? I doesn't seem that way to me. If things would work that way, one could start a business with the name of a domain that he likes, establish a more of less powerful trademark around it, and "snatch" (maybe a bit too harsh wording) the domain from its current owner, after a couple of months of activity.
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01-06-2007, 03:08 AM #23Junior Guru
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Originally Posted by ldcdc
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01-06-2007, 04:25 AM #24Retired Moderator
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It makes no real difference what he's doing with the domain. The domain could have been empty or just parked. It still doesn't feel right to give it away to a company for free or for a modicum fee, or any fee that doesn't cover the value of the domain. What if the current owner bought futurehosting.com from a previous owner, for $10000? You see my point now?
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01-06-2007, 04:46 AM #25
It still has the same name servers as it has since 2003, so chances are the same owner has had it for nearly 4 years.