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    Asia-Pacific servers?

    Hi,

    Right now all of our Asia/Aussy users travel over the pond to the USA to get to many of our sites, but we've been looking at finding something to help them out.

    Does anyone know of any dedicated server providers in the asia region that has fairly low end hardware for a decent price? We got pricing for servers *in* Australia, but I would need to take out a mortgage just to afford the payments on setup alone.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaAnime
    Hi,

    Right now all of our Asia/Aussy users travel over the pond to the USA to get to many of our sites, but we've been looking at finding something to help them out.

    Does anyone know of any dedicated server providers in the asia region that has fairly low end hardware for a decent price? We got pricing for servers *in* Australia, but I would need to take out a mortgage just to afford the payments on setup alone.

    Thanks

    ~Francisco
    What is your budget?

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    Something fair, I mean I can find malay based boxes for $60/mo easily enough.

    We don't need good hardware and not a lot of BW (500GB would hold us well enough).

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    Before you rent a server in Asia, I suggest to test their international bandwidth (Download/ Upload speed). Ping and traceroute isn't good enough.

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    you can try Hostfresh with their servers in HK Pacific DC,but they use shared internation bandiwdth,it would be fine if you do not need a lot of bandwidth
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    Contact Boonchaun He would be my recomendation for asia (singapore) servers
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    It's hard, really. We're not exactly in the same boat though. I've always been keeping an eye out for a provider in Asia that can provide dedicated high bandwidth but I have not yet found one.

    I've tried HostFresh with a testing server, but I will not recommend them at all. I'm on my 2nd month (prepaid quarterly), but I will not be renewing the 2nd quarter. Will write a review sometime after the contract ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XF-Chan
    It's hard, really. We're not exactly in the same boat though. I've always been keeping an eye out for a provider in Asia that can provide dedicated high bandwidth but I have not yet found one.

    I've tried HostFresh with a testing server, but I will not recommend them at all. I'm on my 2nd month (prepaid quarterly), but I will not be renewing the 2nd quarter. Will write a review sometime after the contract ends.
    If you ever need a data-point for comparison, there is a link for a speed test to our hong kong POP on our site.

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    This guy has P4 servers starting from SGD$70/mnth, you may want to get in touch with him. Just a quote from his post @ another forum.


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    I've been doing tests from Australia and I can't seem to find any Asia based host that pings decent to aussy land. The pings are no better than if they were contacting the USA

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    I'm not sure if it's prime time for testing the ping times yet. Last I heard they were still fixing those sub marine cabling problems which was caused by the Taiwan Earth Quake.
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    Yeah, I was trying to get to a couple of Japanese sites yesterday and performance was terrible. I suspect that things aren't fully fixed yet.

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    Something I'll add:

    Here in Australia we're used to the web being slow. Hosting in Australia itself is prohibitively expensive except for certain business sites. (Blame Telstra for that.)

    Hosting in Asia is tricky for a number of reasons, and may not speed things up much because available bandwidth between Australia and Asia is much lower than between Australia and the U.S.

    I have 12mbit ADSL, but I rarely see a sub-200ms ping time to anywhere I actually want to go.

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    Delta,

    I once had a guy in Darwin do a test to our cogent and mzimas network. He actually found them both to be very good to AUS. However as odd as it sounds the cogent network was better.

    Have you checked for some mzima/cogent hosts in the la / san diego area? That may provide decent performence. I know you like staminus, but they use abovenet (i think? abovenet hasent had good performence to AUS in my experience)


    I believe he got 160-180 pings to cogent. I wouldn't have believed it if it didnt see the traces myself.
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    http://www.telstra.net/cgi-bin/trace

    traceroute to <<>>, 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 vlan250.lon-service6.Melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.2.177) 0.303 ms 0.252 ms 0.256 ms
    2 TenGigE0-12-0-2.win-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.79.129) 1.526 ms 1.208 ms 1.136 ms
    3 Bundle-Pos1.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.21) 14.089 ms 14.233 ms 13.858 ms
    4 * Port-Channel1.pad-gw2.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.29) 13.166 ms 13.076 ms
    5 10GigabitEthernet2-0.sydp-core02.Sydney.reach.com (203.50.13.50) 13.223 ms 13.106 ms 13.128 ms
    6 i-9-0.sydp-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.221.89) 13.374 ms 13.257 ms 13.274 ms
    7 i-14-0.wil-core03.net.reach.com (202.84.143.246) 171.617 ms 171.664 ms 171.663 ms
    8 i-6-6.wil03.net.reach.com (202.84.251.226) 174.982 ms 171.968 ms 171.893 ms
    9 Cogent.wil03.net.reach.com (134.159.63.70) 222.651 ms 206.626 ms 204.972 ms
    10 t3-3.mpd01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.21) 171.909 ms 171.943 ms 171.954 ms
    11 t8-2.mpd01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.225) 171.921 ms 171.978 ms 171.95 ms
    12 g3-0-0.core01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.1.33) 171.834 ms 171.995 ms 172.119 ms
    13 p15-0.core02.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.242) 172.145 ms 172.309 ms 172.199 ms
    14 p15-0.core01.lax02.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.181) 173.15 ms 173.01 ms 172.956 ms
    15 g7-2.hc01.lax02.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.34.6) 172.862 ms 172.926 ms 172.782 m

    Pretty nice.



    traceroute to mzima.net (64.235.224.5), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 vlan250.lon-service6.Melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.2.177) 0.257 ms 0.282 ms 0.258 ms
    2 TenGigE0-12-0-2.win-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.79.129) 1.38 ms 1.502 ms 1.283 ms
    3 Bundle-Pos1.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.21) 13.962 ms 14.083 ms 14.019 ms
    4 Port-Channel1.pad-gw2.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.29) 13.182 ms * 13.139 ms
    5 10GigabitEthernet2-0.sydp-core02.Sydney.reach.com (203.50.13.50) 13.137 ms 13.079 ms 13.129 ms
    6 i-3-3.sjc-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.143.137) 200.439 ms 200.456 ms 200.482 ms
    7 202.84.251.114 (202.84.251.114) 200.224 ms 200.397 ms 200.334 ms
    8 * * *
    9 pos1-0.cr01.sjc02.mzima.net (64.235.224.205) 204.784 ms 210.369 ms 201.071 ms
    10 eos2-22.cr01.lax02.mzima.net (216.193.255.162) 209.572 ms eos1-23.cr01.lax02.mzima.net (216.193.255.74) 226.914 ms eos2-22.cr01.lax02.mzima.net (216.193.255.162) 209.705 ms
    11 ge1-1.ar01.lax02.mzima.net (64.235.224.214) 210.091 ms 214.963 ms 209.995 ms
    12 hs1-sys.lax01.mzima.net (64.235.224.5) 209.424 ms 209.46 ms 209.357 ms

    Mzima does a little higher than that - but that is because they peer in San Jose with Reach and Cogent happens to peer with them in Los Angeles giving a more direct route.

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    Out of curiosity I tested Staminus [abovenet] and wow...

    1 vlan250.lon-service6.Melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.2.177) 0.448 ms 0.284 ms 0.257 ms
    2 TenGigE0-12-0-2.win-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.79.129) 1.527 ms 1.508 ms 1.573 ms
    3 * Bundle-Pos1.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.21) 14.019 ms 15.417 ms
    4 Port-Channel1.pad-gw2.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.29) 13.064 ms * 13.094 ms
    5 10GigabitEthernet2-0.sydp-core02.Sydney.reach.com (203.50.13.50) 13.197 ms 13.095 ms 13.274 ms
    6 i-1-0.sjc-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.140.178) 220.464 ms 220.368 ms 220.456 ms
    7 i-6-1.lnx01.net.reach.com (202.84.249.94) 375.924 ms 375.936 ms 375.931 ms
    8 ge9-0.mpr2.lhr1.uk.above.net (195.66.226.76) 347.79 ms 347.893 ms 347.709 ms
    9 so-0-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net (64.125.27.225) 365.927 ms 372.185 ms 365.984 ms
    10 so-7-0-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.31.186) 342.092 ms 342.189 ms 341.998 ms
    11 so-5-0-0.mpr2.atl6.us.above.net (64.125.28.50) 334.978 ms 335.031 ms 334.987 ms
    12 so-0-0-0.mpr1.atl6.us.above.net (64.125.27.49) 335.051 ms 335.082 ms 335.109 ms
    13 so-3-3-0.mpr2.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.29.66) 334.908 ms 334.882 ms 334.962 ms
    14 so-0-0-0.mpr1.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.31.61) 334.984 ms 335.059 ms 334.961 ms
    15 so-5-0-0.mpr2.lax9.us.above.net (64.125.29.93) 334.857 ms 334.775 ms 334.976 ms

    Pretty poor route. Across the pacific, through the US, across the atlantic, to London - exchange via peer [Reach] - all the way back to LA via Above

    I guess AboveNet does not peer with Reach on the west coast [and maybe not even the east coast as far as this shows].

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaAnime
    Hi,

    Right now all of our Asia/Aussy users travel over the pond to the USA to get to many of our sites, but we've been looking at finding something to help them out.

    Does anyone know of any dedicated server providers in the asia region that has fairly low end hardware for a decent price? We got pricing for servers *in* Australia, but I would need to take out a mortgage just to afford the payments on setup alone.

    Thanks

    ~Francisco
    Hi,

    what are you looking for extactly ?

    you have to remember, Data in Aus is costly.

    a standard US based server you will get atleast 800-1000GB Data

    in Aus you are looking at 100GB as standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xhosts
    Hi,

    what are you looking for extactly ?

    you have to remember, Data in Aus is costly.

    a standard US based server you will get atleast 800-1000GB Data

    in Aus you are looking at 100GB as standard.
    I've been hoping to find a host in the Asia region that still pings well to aussy land.

    hosting right in aussy land is too costly for the amount of users we have in aussy land.

    Thanks,

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    just becareful which asian based country you select.

    routing between Aus and Asia is pretty screwed up in the best of times.

    depending which ISP your customers are with in Aus, ping times to Singapore/Malyasia can range from 120-350ms or even worse.

    Right now its even worse with the Taiwanese Earthquake, ping times are over 500..

    when you do select a host in Asia, ask your customers in Aus to ping the new host, else you will have some very happy and unhappy customers..

    if you look in the right places in Aus you can find cheaper data, but it all depends who you talk too.

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    I never heard of data being below the $2/g mark

    I'm aware of the earthquake and it was kinda the reason behind it, because so many of our asia users couldn't get to the USA.

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    data can be as low as $1-1.50GB, as i said before very much depends who you talk to and if you buy data in bulk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaAnime
    I've been doing tests from Australia and I can't seem to find any Asia based host that pings decent to aussy land. The pings are no better than if they were contacting the USA

    ~Francisco
    Singapore, HK and Japan seem to be the choice here, although due to the Taiwan situation now is not the time to test ping and throughput.

    Have a look at http://www.switchnetworks.com.au/colocation.php they are running out of GlobalSwitch in Sydney. Pings are excellent:

    Performing trace to 202.157.179.137...

    1 FastEth8-1-0.sb2.optus.net.au (192.168.34.3) 1.835 ms 1.385 ms 1.578 ms
    2 61.88.221.135 (61.88.221.135) 2.108 ms 1.771 ms 1.688 ms
    3 202.139.39.250 (202.139.39.250) 1.996 ms 2.243 ms 1.853 ms
    4 so-3-1-0.XT1.SYD2.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.217) 5.360 ms 1.976 ms 1.806 ms
    5 so-3-2-0.GW5.SYD2.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.58) 1.909 ms 2.203 ms 1.781 ms
    6 210.80.173.114 (210.80.173.114) 2.296 ms 2.755 ms 2.186 ms
    7 ns4.switchnetworks.com.au (202.157.179.137) 2.353 ms 2.198 ms 1.895 ms

    traceroute 202.157.179.137
    traceroute to 202.157.179.137 (202.157.179.137), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
    1 61.88.177.193 (61.88.177.193) 2.534 ms 1.998 ms 5.158 ms
    2 61.88.177.211 (61.88.177.211) 11.558 ms 9.742 ms *
    3 GigEth3-0.ug1.optus.net.au (203.202.36.1) 2.336 ms 1.283 ms 1.593 ms
    4 61.88.221.133 (61.88.221.133) 1.397 ms 1.390 ms 1.582 ms
    5 powertel.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.39.250) 1.518 ms 1.497 ms 11.078 ms
    6 so-3-1-0.XT1.SYD2.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.217) 2.562 ms 2.599 ms 2.520 ms
    7 so-3-2-0.GW5.SYD2.ALTER.NET (210.80.33.58) 1.509 ms 3.125 ms 2.795 ms
    8 210.80.173.114 (210.80.173.114) 3.291 ms 2.072 ms 2.237 ms
    9 ns4.switchnetworks.com.au (202.157.179.137) 1.864 ms 2.342 ms 1.652 ms

    Send ICMP echos to 202.157.179.137, timeout is 2 seconds, maximum hops are 32
    1 66ms 52ms 42ms 203.55.231.88
    2 19ms 22ms 21ms 203.215.2.66
    3 24ms 22ms 21ms 203.215.20.20
    4 18ms 22ms 22ms 203.215.20.129
    5 24ms 21ms 21ms 203.166.90.157
    6 24ms 22ms 22ms 210.80.33.241
    7 23ms 22ms 21ms 210.80.32.225
    8 24ms 22ms 21ms 210.80.33.58
    9 24ms 22ms 22ms 210.80.173.114
    10 24ms 21ms 21ms 202.157.179.137


    If your audience is mainly from Aust then one of the PIPE or SIX connected providers can probably do you a good deal on your bandwidth, but will usually be at a premium over what you can get on the US west coast. As some pundits have noted we are a hawaiian earthquake away from losing the SXC 10+Gbps link to the US.
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    Check out DarkStarX.

    Only VPSes available right now, though. Talk to Jamie and I'm sure he could work something out.
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    Hello Delta Anime,

    you can try our test servers f.e. at

    203.143.108.2
    203.143.108.8
    203.143.108.9

    for ping or speed comparisons.
    Those machines are based in Tokyo / Japan on a 100mbps line.
    You can use them as comparison to what you know ;-)

    I hope this helps.
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