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    Bonavio Spam

    Just got this, anyone the same??

    Hi,

    My name is Brian Shin from Bonavio in San Jose, CA. We have been providing dedicated servers since 1998 and I would like to take this opportunity to introduce some of our hardware that may fit your need. There is no mailing list of any sort so if you don’t respond then you will not hear from me again.

    I browsed your website and here are some server options that may be of some interest.

    Thank you and have a great day.

    Brian

    <Server specs & pricing removed>

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    Tel. 800.446.8641

    Fax. 408.434.9465

    email: [email protected]

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    Those have been going out for quite a while, pretty sure theres another thread on it.

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    Those are some insanely overpriced systems too, on their site :O

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
    Those have been going out for quite a while, pretty sure theres another thread on it.
    Yeah, I got one of those a LONG time ago. They do seem to be focusing on just contacting people who may actually be interested in the product, not just a blanket SPAM. To me, it is more similar to cold calling than SPAM and isn't a huge issue to me, but everyone has a different opinion on that, so...
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    If I got one of these once or twice I wouldn't really consider it spam. Just a guy trying to get his services out there.

    If I wrote him and asked him to remove me from his mailing list and he didn't or if I got one once a week that would be spam to me.
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    Well, I can see how it isn't blatent spam hence it got through the filters, but still - it was unsolicited, I didn't ask for it. If I want servers I'll go and look on the internet where everyone else does and pays for advertising. Just my opinion.

    Perhaps if he hadn't thrown a list of what servers they offered and at what price in there too I wouldn't have been so bothered and would probably have just deleted it, that's the part that got me.

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    I got the spam today right after posting my offer in the Dedicated Offers section.
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    His spam must be working if you are talking about it. Do you complain about the other 200 spams you get every day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by music
    His spam must be working if you are talking about it. Do you complain about the other 200 spams you get every day?
    I don't get spam ... infact this is the first bit of mail I haven't wanted in months.

    Only reason I posted here is I get the feeling whoever is running that operation may well have an account here on WHT, and is most likely harvesting e-mail addresses from here too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorBlue - Dan
    I don't get spam ... infact this is the first bit of mail I haven't wanted in months.
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    I am jealous I get way too much spam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorBlue - Dan
    Only reason I posted here is I get the feeling whoever is running that operation may well have an account here on WHT, and is most likely harvesting e-mail addresses from here too...
    The *known* rep hasn't been online in a while. If you have your email addy in your signature, then guests can view that too

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    If you agree that spam is UCE (unsolicited commercial email) then this is indeed spam. With that said, I get spam phone calls and spam snail mail too
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorBlue - Dan
    www.postini.com. Well worth the money.
    spamassassin.....free

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpetersen
    spamassassin.....free

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    But it's not as good . Been there, tried it all. I just pay Postini and they manage it all, and do it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorBlue - Dan
    But it's not as good .
    I think a great many would argue against your position

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    UCE: unsolicited commerical email.

    its not solicited, it is commerical and its email.

    therefore it is spam.

    unsolicited commerical phone calls or snail mail are not spam because you are not paying to receive them.

    you are paying to receive UCE because in order for it to reach you it must use your bandwidth, which you are paying for one way or another.

    you should file a UCE report to the relevant abuse contacts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSRGeorge
    unsolicited commerical phone calls or snail mail are not spam because you are not paying to receive them.
    I pay for phone calls and I'm guessing everyone with a telephone pays for it

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    you pay for phone calls when someone calls you?

    i don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSRGeorge
    you pay for phone calls when someone calls you?

    i don't.

    My point is your argument doesn't make much sense


    Quote Originally Posted by HSRGeorge
    you are paying to receive UCE because in order for it to reach you it must use your bandwidth,
    Yes, we pay for bandwidth, however we also pay for the telephone. So, whats the difference?

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    sure it makes sense. its the reasoning behind alot of the work put into stopping spam.

    the difference is that you don't pay for each call you receive, at least i don't.

    i pay for the privilege to make phone calls, to have a live connection, to possess a telephone unit. i pay to place calls. i am not charged anything extra when someone calls me.

    the same goes for snail mail. I pay for a physical box in which the letter carrier puts my mail. I pay for the privilege of sending out letters by purchasing stamps. the letter carrier does not present me with a bill for the letters he brings to me.

    however we are all paying extra one way or another when we receive UCE. we pay for bandwidth, in and out. the costs may be hidden to us if we don't pay by the mbit but the cost is still there and is factored into whatever cost we see.

    With phone and snail mail, the marketer pays the cost of his message reaching me. With UCE, the marketer foists part of the cost of his message reaching me onto me. This is what is wrong with UCE and why it is different and deserves a special opprobrium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgphoto
    If I got one of these once or twice I wouldn't really consider it spam. Just a guy trying to get his services out there.

    If I wrote him and asked him to remove me from his mailing list and he didn't or if I got one once a week that would be spam to me.
    We received one of these yesterday and I agree with your sentiments. A cold email with legitimate services to offer is not construed as spam in my book. There are plenty of other messages containing bogus products and services which are suited for this definition.
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    "Just a guy trying to get his services out there."

    I could say that about the spammers selling viagra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSRGeorge
    "Just a guy trying to get his services out there."

    I could say that about the spammers selling viagra.
    Except usually that is a total scam, whereas this guy at least seems legitimate. Then again, I've never tried ordering viagra from a spam email.


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    The spam viagra doesn't work, but I digress..

    This guy is probably making more sales off you guys complaining about his spam than he would from just spamming.

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    Today, I also got one email like this from Bonavio. I would not consider it as spam coz their prices look so cool !
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    Just suck it up and add them to anti-spam lists, then for good measure, sign up his email to tons of spamming mailing lists. What? He left an address? Why not subscribe him to lots of trial and quesitonable magazines? It's only fair ...

    He sent SPAM, its really simple. People who spam have no rights
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    We received a message from them as well today. I think they watch the Dedicated/Co-lo Offers forum and e-mail anyone who posts offers there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSRGeorge
    the difference is that you don't pay for each call you receive, at least i don't.
    You pay for each email you receive? I don't. Bellsouth charges me a flat, unlimited email receiving price of $50/month for DSL. You don't make much sense.

    I'm bothered by spam as much as the next guy. I'm in love with mailfoundry for practically eliminating it for me. But if someone is going to cold-contact me for a service I might desire, I prefer email. As long as the email is targeted, that's good marketing. Here's my preference order:
    1. email
    2. postal mail
    3. phone
    4. in person


    I have no problem with someone grabbing the emails off signatures of people asking for dedicated/colocation offers and offering their service. Others really have a problem with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smueller
    You pay for each email you receive? I don't. Bellsouth charges me a flat, unlimited email receiving price of $50/month for DSL. You don't make much sense.
    You the end user with the DSL account might not see it, but the ISP does. Bellsouth is paying by the email (mbit, gbit, etc) and spam like this forces their costs up, which they gleefully pass on to you.

    Making sense now?

    I think I know now why all your WHTers won't admit to getting it. You like the idea that you might be able to get away with spamming people.

    From Why is Spam Bad?:

    E-mail spam is unique in that the receiver pays so much more for it than the sender does. For example, AOL has said that they were receiving 1.8 million spams from Cyber Promotions per day until they got a court injunction to stop it. Assuming that it takes the typical AOL user only 10 seconds to identify and discard a message, that's still 5,000 hours per day of connect time per day spent discarding their spam, just on AOL. By contrast, the spammer probably has a T1 line that costs him about $100/day. No other kind of advertising costs the advertiser so little, and the recipient so much. The closest analogy I can think of would be auto-dialing junk phone calls to cellular users (in the US, cell phone users pay to receive as well as originate calls); you can imagine how favorably that might be received.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smueller
    I have no problem with someone grabbing the emails off signatures of people asking for dedicated/colocation offers and offering their service. Others really have a problem with this?
    Not initially, but I find it gets to a point where you are receiving one offer a day, from people who contact you again and again if you don't reply. I much prefer to browse offers at my own leisure, and then email the hosts sales department then to have offers shoved at me left and right.


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