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    How can you tell if a company is a reseller or not?

    I have read many threads on here about resellers. How can you tell if a company is a reseller or not?

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    In many cases you cannot tell. That is the good thing about custom branding and custom nameservers. About the only way would be to ask a host directly and then you may not get an honest answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by potus
    I have read many threads on here about resellers. How can you tell if a company is a reseller or not?
    Just ask them. Really, it should not matter to the end user as long as they provide what is promised...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthdevil
    Just ask them. Really, it should not matter to the end user as long as they provide what is promised...
    I agree. If you like the provided service, then it really doesn't matter if the host is on a reseller or not.

    If you are a prospective customer, simply ask them. Not much else you can do really.

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    Unless the company owns their own datacenter/infrastructure, they are reselling on some level. Even then, you can argue that they are simply reselling bandwidth.

    What difference does it make anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH-Tina
    Unless the company owns their own datacenter/infrastructure, they are reselling on some level. Even then, you can argue that they are simply reselling bandwidth.

    What difference does it make anyway?

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    In the ideal world, it shouldn't make any. Resellers can offer some extremely worthwhile values over what their provider might be able to offer; BeachComber.Net has made a tremendous reputation with their offerings as a reseller of numerous dedicated servers. There are some shared hosts as well that have a tremendous reputation in their local community for their quality of services, yet they're a reseller. Being a reseller isn't a bad thing, and I find it somewhat saddening when some hosts completely pass up a potential marketing gimmick as a reseller.

    However in the realistic world, there are certain people who wish to only go directly to the source for their services, which is sad because they're completely missing out a potential great service. You can not however blame them, with it being as easy as it is to pick up a $8.99 reseller package, and claim yourself as a host, it's put a bit of a dirty image of some resellers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH-Tina
    Unless the company owns their own datacenter/infrastructure, they are reselling on some level. Even then, you can argue that they are simply reselling bandwidth.

    What difference does it make anyway?

    --Tina
    Stole the words right out of my mouth.

    Everyone is reselling something:
    -Servers that are rented, or leased
    -Operating system that was made by someone else
    -Bandwidth that's being provided bysomeone else
    -Access to webhosting software, some other company made
    -Access to a billing software made by another company
    -Even your support technicians are selling their skills really

    So at the end of the day, who is NOT a reseller?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReyoxHosting
    Stole the words right out of my mouth.

    Everyone is reselling something:
    -Servers that are rented, or leased
    -Operating system that was made by someone else
    -Bandwidth that's being provided bysomeone else
    -Access to webhosting software, some other company made
    -Access to a billing software made by another company
    -Even your support technicians are selling their skills really

    So at the end of the day, who is NOT a reseller?
    Real Tier 1 hosting companies.
    You’re just trying to rationalize reselling and equate it to a real hosting company- It’s nothing of the kind. As this board has in the neighborhood of 15 or 20 real hosts, it doesn’t come as a surprise. Given the choice, customers want real services from established companies not resellers, not marked up over-sold crappy hosting which is the norm; that’s why they all hide their true nature- customers don’t find out until they fold, which is frequently.

    Resellers are just salesmen they lack the capital, experience and capabilities to run a real company- Reselling as a VAR in design for example is fine and was originally the core target, reselling and pretending to be a pureplay host is a joke. Most resellers never see more than 50 customers, those that do and migrate to a dedicated box never get past 200 or a thousand. It takes lots of experience, capital and business acumen to run a real hosting business - buying from a middleman that has neither the control nor the capability to influence core product, service or support is absurd and the op has every right to seek out a tier 1 provider which by the way control whether resold hosting stays or goes.

    Go with a real hosting company with their own DC’s, DP/BC, In-house customer support and service assets and at least a 5 year track record.

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    Everyone starts someplace

    Most people were reseller once, we we're way back when!

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    What do you think Wal-Mart does? Need I say more? Whether you're a reseller or not just is not a critical issue these days. Support is far more important.

    However, to answer your question of finding out if they're a reseller: Google their phone numbers, support brands, etc....; try a WHOIS to see what nameservers they're using, etc....there are lots of ways to check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobalWebDan
    However, to answer your question of finding out if they're a reseller: Google their phone numbers, support brands, etc....; try a WHOIS to see what nameservers they're using, etc....there are lots of ways to check.
    Wanna expand on what you mean? I don't see how any of this is relevant.

    Looking up a phone number in google, will do exactly that. It won't say "X" company is a reseller. Whois will show you their whois info. Heck we provide our clients with 2 IP's so they can use their own name servers.

    I think your best bet is to feel around. Does the host's website look professional or is it a template site? Does the whois information show accurate info or does it shows hotmail addresses or did they use an anonymous proxy to signup.

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    Some companies that resell use third-party support, also provided by the company they resell from. A commonality in the phone numbers would bear this out.

    Not all companies that offer reseller plans offer dedicated IPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowabunga
    Go with a real hosting company with their own DC’s, DP/BC, In-house customer support and service assets and at least a 5 year track record.
    Most companies that own their own DCs won't sell budget hosting accounts. Its not worth their time or effort.

    By your standards, we're not a real hosting company. Yet, we have almost 10 years under our belt, have a Tax ID, are in a 25% tax bracket, at one time hosted around 5000-ish individual customers (equating to roughly 50,000 accounts), in-house support and 100s of servers in 6 different datacenters.

    Your logic is totally flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobalWebDan
    Some companies that resell use third-party support, also provided by the company they resell from. A commonality in the phone numbers would bear this out.
    I've seen this happen twice in all my years and it was because someone pointed it out. In the end I called the # and asked what company they were but they wouldn't give me a name till I gave them an account number or something

    (which means they were outsourced support).


    But really, that still doesn't determine whether or not a host is a reseller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH-Tina
    Most companies that own their own DCs won't sell budget hosting accounts. Its not worth their time or effort.

    By your standards, we're not a real hosting company. Yet, we have almost 10 years under our belt, have a Tax ID, are in a 25% tax bracket, at one time hosted around 5000-ish individual customers (equating to roughly 50,000 accounts), in-house support and 100s of servers in 6 different datacenters.

    Your logic is totally flawed.

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    i agree. that person not only woke up on the wrong side of the bed but live in a world where things are just handed to you.

    90% of all hosts are reselling or started out reselling.

    I don't know many people that say "today im gonna start webhosting" and the first thing they do is a build a datacenter.

    Oh come on now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AH-Tina
    Most companies that own their own DCs won't sell budget hosting accounts. Its not worth their time or effort.
    Wrong. The major players that define the shared market all own mutiple data centers.

    Quote Originally Posted by AH-Tina
    By your standards, we're not a real hosting company. Yet, we have almost 10 years under our belt, have a Tax ID, are in a 25% tax bracket, at one time hosted around 5000-ish individual customers (equating to roughly 50,000 accounts), in-house support and 100s of servers in 6 different datacenters.
    Not at all- where are you a reseller? You're a small real hosting company without your own data center assets, colo'd over your own service architecture. That cerainly qualifies as real, you have the ability to control service levels, network operations and operating models. Resellers do not. [/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by AH-Tina
    Your logic is totally flawed..
    No, your understanding is limited.
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    Guys, I don't see a need to argue about this. Remember this is the OP's thread, so let's stick to his/her original question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowabunga
    Wrong. The major players that define the shared market all own mutiple data centers.

    Not at all- where are you a reseller? You're a small real hosting company without your own data center assets, colo'd over your own service architecture. That cerainly qualifies as real, you have the ability to control service levels, network operations and operating models. Resellers do not.
    No, your understanding is limited.
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    yes but i think they point some other people were making is that somewhere down the line its all resold.

    If you have a server colo'd somewhere you don't have any much more control over it then if you lease a server from the same place. You can still do whatever you want with it except unplug it and take it home (like there is any need for that)

    if you have your own (in house) staff as you stated and your not using that datacenters techs then whats the difference? Nothing and yet it is technically reselling.

    However the OP may or may not have meant reseller as in a host reselling space on a shared server.

    Maybe that would have changed everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowabunga
    Not at all- where are you a reseller? You're a small real hosting company without your own data center assets, colo'd over your own service architecture. That cerainly qualifies as real, you have the ability to control service levels, network operations and operating models. Resellers do not.
    Nope. Used to own a small datacenter, before that we used to colo (years ago)...went back to the less complicated basics of leasing our servers from various datacenters and making them handle that end of the business. We own none of our own equipment and resell dedicated servers as managed servers and also offer reseller hosting.

    We do quite well and I expect to retire by the time I'm 45 (in my late 30s now). By your definition, that makes us resellers and not a real hosting company.

    PS: I honestly don't want to argue this with you. Just trying to show you the other side of the coin.

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    LOL - i will totally agree with the last two posts. Tina is very right. I would consider that company to be a "Fully Fledged Host", even if they don't own a datacentre! Infact they are probably the smart ones not, because you think about the time and money having to employ extra staff, maintance on the building, power bills, heating/cooling, land taxes, making sure the building is safe for working in, updating all the servers every year or so, making sure you have trained your staff, so when you look at all the other things the go on, you think - well they might just be the clever ones!

    But to those who own a datacentre - you guys make our businesses a reality!

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    If i started on a reseller i would not be afraid to say on livesupport

    Yes we have decided to start on a reseller as simply on a dedicated server we just dont need the resources, As the company grows so will we and we will eventually move to a dedicated server, But at the moment a reseller is fine for us as our host is reliable and has excellent uptime and a very quick server

    Basically just be ohnest with your customers

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    Indeed, a smart business finds ways to mitigate their risks by transferring responsibilities to as many other parties as possible. Preferably, this transfer is dispersed over multiple third parties. Server leasing, outsourced support, etc are all examples of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowabunga
    Real Tier 1 hosting companies.
    You’re just trying to rationalize reselling and equate it to a real hosting company- It’s nothing of the kind. As this board has in the neighborhood of 15 or 20 real hosts, it doesn’t come as a surprise. Given the choice, customers want real services from established companies not resellers, not marked up over-sold crappy hosting which is the norm; that’s why they all hide their true nature- customers don’t find out until they fold, which is frequently.

    Resellers are just salesmen they lack the capital, experience and capabilities to run a real company- Reselling as a VAR in design for example is fine and was originally the core target, reselling and pretending to be a pureplay host is a joke. Most resellers never see more than 50 customers, those that do and migrate to a dedicated box never get past 200 or a thousand. It takes lots of experience, capital and business acumen to run a real hosting business - buying from a middleman that has neither the control nor the capability to influence core product, service or support is absurd and the op has every right to seek out a tier 1 provider which by the way control whether resold hosting stays or goes.

    Go with a real hosting company with their own DC’s, DP/BC, In-house customer support and service assets and at least a 5 year track record.
    Your logic is flawed. There are several 'resellers' out there who are doing an excellent job. A 'real' hosting company supposedly with their own datacenter, servers, software, operating systems & control panels would be charging anywhere from $100 - infinity if everything was indeed proprietary. Can you tell us where the customers are who are willing to pay that much for shared hosting?

    Being in this industry for the last six years and before forming my own hosting companies, I've used most of the so called "tier-1" brands out there. Let me assure, very few are worth what's actually paid for their services.

    If I was a hosting consumer (which I am, but on a totally different level)- I'd most likely be looking at companies like my own to meet my needs, and I certainly wouldn't pay 5x more just to be hosted by a tier-1 brand for sake of psychological satisfaction.

    I'm sure most buyers and experienced webhosters who post here will agree with what I've said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReyoxHosting
    If I was a hosting consumer (which I am, but on a totally different level)- I'd most likely be looking at companies like my own to meet my needs, and I certainly wouldn't pay 5x more just to be hosted by a tier-1 brand for sake of psychological satisfaction.

    I'm sure most buyers and experienced webhosters who post here will agree with what I've said.
    here here m8

    well said, well said indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReyoxHosting
    Your logic is flawed. There are several 'resellers' out there who are doing an excellent job. A 'real' hosting company supposedly with their own datacenter, servers, software, operating systems & control panels would be charging anywhere from $100 - infinity if everything was indeed proprietary. Can you tell us where the customers are who are willing to pay that much for shared hosting?
    No you just have limited understanding of the operational advantages, branding and economies of scale which well capitalized, established hosting companies can bring to bear. Give Andreas at 1+1, Jim at Affinity or Tom at Ipowerweb a call and ask them how they can afford to position shared hosting at a sub $10.00 price point and how many customers respond to the resulting marketing power of their brands. I can personally look out upon hundreds of thousands of customers that buy based upon brand, scale of service architecture and owned assets- much of the shared at again sub-$10.00 and annuity based pricing which hasn't changed in 8 years. I phased out a shared reseller program with over 30k customers because at the end of the day it doesn't build value internally or in the market at large. There are exceptions of course. Hostopia being the leader, though they have a dedcated business model much outside of mainstream resold shared hosting.

    Resold shared hosting along with the facilitation of unqualified business on this board have largely contributed the decline of the industry. Are there a few good resellers? Sure but they are in the fractional minority and are only as good as their upstream provider, which determines the product and service, not the sales rep/reseller. As margins continue to decline for providers, so does the level of upstream wholesale product vaiability. I've watched the decline of consumer confidence and plain old fraud become the watchword of the day in this business for the last several years; the resultant reduced entry barriers and lack of marketing expertise of many large companies which led the adoption of reselling as a service offering are coming home to roost. Many larger companies have hit the wall as customer acquisition costs coupled with razor thin margins beyond attainable RPU and organic growth due to market fragmentation are making wholesale products a liability.

    The fragmented, garbage market which wholesale shared hosting has created is forcing companies that contributed to it onto the auction block at heretofore unseen numbers. Those that remain and consolidate will at some point retrench outside of shared wholesale product offerings.



    Quote Originally Posted by ReyoxHosting
    Being in this industry for the last six years and before forming my own hosting companies, I've used most of the so called "tier-1" brands out there. Let me assure, very few are worth what's actually paid for their services.
    That's your opinion, albeit a minority position, as once again established non resellers acquire more customers in one day than the sum total of all the "hosts" that congregate here on web hobby talk.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReyoxHosting
    If I was a hosting consumer (which I am, but on a totally different level)- I'd most likely be looking at companies like my own to meet my needs, and I certainly wouldn't pay 5x more just to be hosted by a tier-1 brand for sake of psychological satisfaction.
    Once again in the face of the greater market, a minority opinion. I certainly agree that qualified small business is the backbone of our economy, and advocate its support and patronage, but it is largely founded upon experienced operators, usually undercapitalized, yet none the less experienced and able to provide a real product or service or value . You don't see someone opening a garage that doesn't know how to work on a car and succeeding. While certainly amusing and sad, the rants and travails of customers burned by resellers disappearing overnight, being sold to another reseller or just thrown under the bus because the only avenue of marketing for the reseller is egregious pricing are the norm. Customers are the backbone of this industry as they are in any other and the ridiculous number of unqualified resellers pretending to be real hosts has reduced consumer confidence to unheard of levels. Yes there are resellers which provide value added services and are worthwhile additions to the industry, unfortunately they are few and far between.
    Quote Originally Posted by ReyoxHosting
    I'm sure most buyers and experienced webhosters who post here will agree with what I've said.
    What do the posts here have to do with the entities which define and drive the hosting industry? Over tha last six or seven years I can only think of less than 10 posters that I'd consider a web host. WHT is for the most part akin to street vendors in New York opining on the retail sector. In the greater scheme of the industry rrelevant. Amusing, but irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowabunga
    No you just have limited understanding of the operational advantages, branding and economies of scale which well capitalized, established hosting companies can bring to bear. Give Andreas at 1+1, Jim at Affinity or Tom at Ipowerweb a call and ask them how they can afford to position shared hosting at a sub $10.00 price point and how many customers respond to the resulting marketing power of their brands.
    Well, aren't they resellers as well, they're reselling you Level-3's bandwidth or perhaps AT&T, etc... Unless they've suddenly become carriers overnight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunim
    Well, aren't they resellers as well, they're reselling you Level-3's bandwidth or perhaps AT&T, etc... Unless they've suddenly become carriers overnight?
    Not in this context; no more so than Ford is a reseller of Bose audio at the vehicle level. Bandwidth is a component of an aggregate service offering, not a stand alone product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowabunga
    No you just have limited understanding of the operational advantages, branding and economies of scale which well capitalized, established hosting companies can bring to bear.
    Incorrect, I hold a Masters in Business Administration and I'm quite qualified to make the statement I've made. Throwing words like economies of scale, etc have no meaning on these forums. The kind of scale you speak of, can be achieved with no less than a few billion dollars in capital and I highly doubt there more than a few (less than 5) such people/businesses here on these forums.

    How much of a scale are we talking here? I don't consider 1&1 as a yardstick. I'll take RackSpace or Verio as an example of economies of scale but certainly not 1&1. I don't even consider 1&1 as an example of a great company, there are several others which are far better. And from what I've seen, I get more customers from 1&1 alone, in a week than most 'small' hosting companies do in 1 month.

    Whats your benchmark for established? I've been running my business for the last 4 years, I'm incorporated in two countries, pay taxes, I have my own offices, full time staff, a small call-center, an outsourcing business and looking to open more if I can find the time. My companies (all centered around hosting and started because my hosting company does well) pay for running my house, my cars and towards furthering my education. I'm doing exceedingly well for my age (being 23) and make a handsome amount of money and have good savings. Now if being a reseller, by your definition, since I co-locate my servers (about ninety), also rent servers (about sixty) and don't use in-house software I shouldn't be doing that well at all should I?

    At the end of the day, I'm looking out for the needs of my customers and am willing to accomodate customers who've been tossed out elsewhere (not talking about spammers, warez or adult content here). I get a lot of my customers from the "so-called" large tier-1 companies you've mentioned. And they're pretty happy with what I offer them. That is PERSONALIZED service, a PERSONAL touch, and me looking out for the occasional rare need and going beyond what's on the TERMS OF SERVICE. I don't think large companies are willing to offer that, prove me wrong if you want.

    No offense or annoyance intended, this is just my view on the industry, you do raise a valid point but it will offend several webhosters out there (who are not webhosters by your standard).
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    Easy way, If they have a cPanel resellers account they then do not offer cPanel Hosting

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    cowabunga your talking rubbish im afraid

    Plenty of hosts started on a reseller, I dont think host gator would have bought clusters of servers when they started in hope that they would make it big like they have

    Yes the industry has declined due to alot of reseller kiddie type hosts that have no idea and are in for some quick money, but theres also resellers who offer excellent support, they know what there doing, they start on a reseller and intend to upgrade as the buisness grows. Why buy a 120GB Dedicated server with 1500gb bandwidth when you start, Wheres the logic in that. You simply will not need that much for a good 6-8 months when you start. That type of dedi will cost about $100 monthly so if you did decide to start with one then youve lost some serious money before youve begun. Its best to start with a reseller with about 5GB space and 50GB bandwidth as its a good starting point for a company

    I hope people choose to agree with what i have said and that any host that starts on a reseller and isnt afraid to admit it will do well, expand there buisness and then move up onto a dedicated server and then clusters of servers. A reseller can provide excellent support and a quality service as long as they choose a good reliable reseller host

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    Usually I just use http://www.whois.net and look at the nameservers. Copy and paste them, do they lead where?

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    A reseller can use his hosts nameservers and thats the case normally, and then the reseller will have nameservers that are his own for his clients to use

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayke
    Usually I just use http://www.whois.net and look at the nameservers. Copy and paste them, do they lead where?
    So, you won't do business with anyone who doesn't own the IP netblock? Or, you won't do business with anyone who doesn't use custom nameservers? Or, you won't do business with anyone who uses IPs that has rDNS set to someone else's contact info?

    I'm trying to figure out exactly what kind of useful information you're gaining from looking at the nameservers.

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    Most carriers will prefix the interface that goes to said hosting company switch/router.

    Most carriers will also swip the IP space to said hosting company, check arin does the swip match up? If they dont' swip with arin 98% of the time they will list a rwhois server to query against.

  35. #35
    Interesting question / interesting thread.
    Nothing else useful to add, except that I agree that we are all resellers in one way or another.

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