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12-15-2006, 01:28 PM #1Dennis Johnson
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Defining the WHT Wiki
Before we integrate the WHT Wiki, I'd like to open some discussion defining it.
Since the wiki will be fueled by members, we should talk about what we're putting in there and why.
I'd like to put a Mission Statement together for it. I'm sure if we put our heads together, we can come up with a direction we want the wiki to go.
So, what do you think the WHT Wiki should be?There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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12-15-2006, 02:05 PM #2Aspiring Evangelist
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Maybe we could have lists of providers, i.e. hosts, software providers, hardware, etc
How-To section, Terms..and who knows what else.-DPI
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12-16-2006, 01:25 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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Dennis, how about you get this ball rolling, and first share your vision for what the WHT wiki could be?
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12-16-2006, 02:03 AM #4Problem Solver
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My suggestion is, not to have "reviews" of any company. Leave the forums for that, or any mention of any company for that matter.
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12-16-2006, 02:07 AM #5Retired Moderator
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Originally Posted by Steven
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12-16-2006, 02:43 AM #6Web Hosting Master
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I suggest that in the true spirit of Inet or whomever is running WHT that we place a bunch of links a the top of the WIKI to other WIKI's that don't have any content and also aren't readable by people that don't pay a fee, therefore pushing down the real content that is contained in the actual WHT WIKI.
I think that this is a winner of a concept for WHT. In fact, we should pitch it all over the web. Imagine if Google decided to put Froogle at the top of the page and made everyone scroll down a page to actually search the web.
I mean, imagine that!!! Imagine how much better they would be doing if they did that!!! Idiots at google don't know what they're missing by not following the WHT juggernaut.
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12-16-2006, 03:48 AM #7Originally Posted by Steven
I don't even know why we need a "wiki", really, as a wiki is usually a form of definition, not really something that fits the WHT model, or so it would seem.Tom Whiting, WHMCS Guru extraordinaire
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12-16-2006, 04:45 AM #8Web Hosting Master
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12-16-2006, 10:14 AM #9Dennis Johnson
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
I haven't had much to do with wikis.
I have no experience with them (except from a user's standpoint). That's why I need everyone's help.
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12-16-2006, 10:24 AM #10Dennis Johnson
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Originally Posted by linux-tech
WHT has always been a huge repository of information. We're just tying to make it easier to find that information.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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12-17-2006, 08:25 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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Perhaps I'm confused over the idea behind the wiki, because it doesn't seem like something that would be an added value to the WHT community. When you avoid the advertising spiels and biases, as a proper wiki should, that leaves very little to talk about when it comes to Web Hosting.
I suppose what we could do, is remove the 'how to' forums on WHT, and rather re-create those are parts of the Wiki, which could be continously updated. But then you're left with updated content, but is it really that much more easier for the end-user (the one looking for web hosting, and help) to find than it currently is?
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12-17-2006, 08:38 PM #12Retired Moderator
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what sort of ads will be on the wiki?
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12-17-2006, 09:34 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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Okay, okay, to actually answer SWR's question, instead of just bashing Inet... I think a good start would be moving the tutorials over to the wiki so that anyone who has a login on WHT can edit them. You'll have to get permission from the original authors, of course, but I think many will gladly agree, if only because it will boost SEO to have a link back to their site. That's another thing -- I think if the people are creating original content, the users who have created a significant amount deserve to be honored with text links back. Maybe an "Originally Created By:" at the top of the article with a person's name that links back to their hosting site?
I think, to get the ball rolling, the Community Leaders and Liaisons should post new pages on the wiki with common questions like "What is overselling?" "What is a VPS?" These pages can be blank and it should be indicated that they need to be populated by well-written articles.
Although the Wikipedia model of allowing anyone to edit works for them, I don't recommend it for a WHT wiki. Too easy for a provider to come in and "snipe" an article by adding links to his/her own site (even if well-meaning.) External link policies should be clearly defined, and requests to edit should be a) individually approved by WHT mods and b) restricted to those who have shown to add value to the WHT community with thoughtful comments and articles. You'll want to discuss amongst yourselves (WHT leaders/liaisons) as to exactly what metrics to use, but I recommend either 100+ posts or 6+ months as a WHT member, with demonstrated thoughtfulness on posts here. Only slightly less than what you would use as a metric for Community Guides.
That's just a start, but hope it helps you to get some real feedback.Erica Douglass, Founder, Simpli Hosting, Inc.
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12-18-2006, 01:00 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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I think wiki is used for showing how-to for a specifc application like dovecot or something and doesn't really fit here. The How-to here is great as people can discuss their problems, etc.
There is no need to move over to wiki in my opinion.
Who thought of the idea of using wiki? or it was Inet?Last edited by YUPAPA; 12-18-2006 at 01:06 AM.
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12-18-2006, 01:19 AM #15Mac User
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Perhaps we could have certain articles that relate to companies. Wikis for notorious people/companies, that have affected a large part of WHT'ers. For example, the history behind the Timmah conflict (of which i do not know of ) and all that.
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12-18-2006, 01:59 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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So the WHT wiki is built by WHT members?
Can someone tell me why we want to build this wiki for WHT? I mean, is this the, "we're contributing towards a collective hosting knowledge" project kind of thing? What's in it for us?
Has someone else built a wiki that could be something similar to what the WHT wiki could be?
Erica also raised some good points about how the wiki would be run. Wikis work when there's open access to reading and editing the information, but that obviously has a vulnerable side, with the open editing.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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12-18-2006, 03:13 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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The Wikipedia team has recently announced their system to go open-source very soon (in terms of other companies using their content).
Why not simply "integrate" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_hosting into WHT? It seems like its exactly what WHT is after...
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12-19-2006, 10:30 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by SoftWareRevue
I think there should be everything possible hosting related topics from finding a host to clustering servers to software reviews. I think major topics first should be decided then anyone can define a topic or subtopic, edit any page, copyedit, write a little, or write a lot.
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12-20-2006, 07:17 PM #19Dennis Johnson
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
Can someone tell me why we want to build this wiki for WHT?
I mean, is this the, "we're contributing towards a collective hosting knowledge" project kind of thing?
What's in it for us?
Has someone else built a wiki that could be something similar to what the WHT wiki could be?
Erica also raised some good points about how the wiki would be run. Wikis work when there's open access to reading and editing the information, but that obviously has a vulnerable side, with the open editing.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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12-20-2006, 07:20 PM #20Dennis Johnson
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Originally Posted by YUPAPA
hmmm . . . WHT 2.0.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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12-20-2006, 07:26 PM #21Dennis Johnson
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Originally Posted by Simpli-Erica
I think if the people are creating original content, the users who have created a significant amount deserve to be honored with text links back. Maybe an "Originally Created By:" at the top of the article with a person's name that links back to their hosting site?
I think, to get the ball rolling, the Community Leaders and Liaisons should post new pages on the wiki with common questions like "What is overselling?" "What is a VPS?" These pages can be blank and it should be indicated that they need to be populated by well-written articles.
Although the Wikipedia model of allowing anyone to edit works for them, I don't recommend it for a WHT wiki. Too easy for a provider to come in and "snipe" an article by adding links to his/her own site (even if well-meaning.) External link policies should be clearly defined, and requests to edit should be a) individually approved by WHT mods and b) restricted to those who have shown to add value to the WHT community with thoughtful comments and articles. You'll want to discuss amongst yourselves (WHT leaders/liaisons) as to exactly what metrics to use, but I recommend either 100+ posts or 6+ months as a WHT member, with demonstrated thoughtfulness on posts here. Only slightly less than what you would use as a metric for Community Guides.
That's just a start, but hope it helps you to get some real feedback.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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12-20-2006, 07:30 PM #22Dennis Johnson
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Originally Posted by SoftWareRevue
Integrating a wiki and video pods are just two ways of making that information available to more people. And they're two ways that will move WHT towards being Web 2.0 compliant.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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12-20-2006, 08:10 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by SoftWareRevue
Here are some wiki catagory suggestions to get the ball rolling -
1. What is webhosting and how does it work?
2. What is a dedicated server?
3. What is a VPS account?
4. What is a Reseller account?
5. What is the differnce between Linux and Windows hosting?
6. How can I find a webhost suitable for me?
7. If I cannot access my site/s, what should I do?
8. What is colocation?
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12-20-2006, 08:14 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by SoftWareRevue• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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12-20-2006, 09:01 PM #25Web Hosting Master
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I can see the pages of writing from people defining "Overselling", "Unlimited" and "Unmetered".
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