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12-12-2006, 07:15 AM #1Newbie
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What are reasonable NRC's for setting up a cage?
I am shopping for a 10x15 cage in the bay area and I'm wondering what are some reasonable non-recurring costs for cage/rack installation?
I have been quoted $750 in labor+parts for installing a Chenbrow 4-post rack in a cage (I will be starting with 5), $5,000 for installing the 10x15 cage itself, and $250 for installing each 110v/20a power circuit. Are these reasonable prices for the bay area? This includes bolting the rack to the floor. I'm using 4u units with rails, so it made sense to look for 4-post racks.
My alternative is to get a few more cabinets at HE. They aren't charging setup fees, however they seem to like playing around with power/bandwidth pricing.
I have not been able to get prices/availability on MPT. How do these prices compare with MPT?
Thanks!
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12-12-2006, 09:12 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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That is not outrageous to be honest, I was quoted much higher fees for several of the colos here in Dallas.
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12-12-2006, 09:23 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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This sounds reasonable, but I wanted to say it sounded a bit higher then what you should be paying at MPT. At MPT, usually the price of MRC will equal out to that item MRC. So if your power is at $300 per month, they usually charge $300 NRC to install it. I found that very reasonable.
And what's the problem with getting price/availability out of MPT? I have just talk with the building a week or two ago and there is opening space in the building ready to go. I would not be able to give you any pricing info on the building space, but I have to say it is very reasonable for their offerings and we like the building alot. If you are having trouble with contacting Jameson for a quote/availability, just leave me a PM and I will send you his contact info.http://Ethr.net jay@ethr.net
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12-12-2006, 09:57 AM #4Account Suspended
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sayeth MFJP "And what's the problem with getting price/availability out of MPT?"
Jameson is not sending out quotes. I asked for quotes for a 6 rack cage for a client probably 8 - 10 times over a two month period, never got it.
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12-12-2006, 10:04 AM #5CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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Originally Posted by Mfjp
If this is the norm at MPT, find a diffrent building/metro area.
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12-12-2006, 11:48 AM #6Aspiring Evangelist
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the 5k nrc for cage install is a bit high. The time and materials do not cost that much I would try and get it down to around 2500-3500. all in all not a bad deal though.
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12-12-2006, 11:57 AM #7Web Hosting Evangelist
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That isn't a bad price at all for the build out.
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12-12-2006, 12:22 PM #8
Assuming you need a 5' sliding door on that cage and the panels are 8' high a 10x15 cage costs ~ $2500 in materials. That's assuming it's compltely free standing and not using any other cage's walls. (it breaks down to about $250 per 5' plus $500 for the door.) $5000 install seems a little high, especially if the DC already has the cage walls in and they just have to reconfig them.
$250 to install a circuit is not bad. Depending on the distance of the outlet from the panel that seems resonable. Our runs are roughy 100' and they run us $125-$175 each.
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12-12-2006, 01:51 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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Level3 quoted me $25,000 for a cage buildout...
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12-12-2006, 02:00 PM #10CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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Level(3) is smoking the "good stuff." With $25,000 per cage, they can certainly afford it
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12-13-2006, 08:41 PM #11Temporarily Suspended
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Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
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$25,000 per cage! Wow... how large is that cage? Everyone loves Level3 in Seattle, but I wonder how competive that really is?
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12-14-2006, 10:23 AM #12Web Hosting Evangelist
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It is hard to look at the setup fee alone and tell whether it is fair or not. We have customers that want a lower setup and pay a higher monthly fee, while others prefer to pay more installations.
If you have looked at all of the costs associated with running a business with them you are really the best qualified to make the decision as to whether or not it is reasonable. You can also shop it out to some other facilities in the area and see if that works out. Ultimately if you think the product they are offering you is at a fair rate and the provider also feels it is fair you should have a good relationship with your provider. If you already question that you are being treated fairly you might want to hold up until you are comfortable. Especially on the cage customers it is important that everyone is one the same page going in to the agreement. If the provider feels like they got nickle and dimed out of margin they might start looking for ways to make up for it down the road. I tell people to plan on at least a 3 year commitment to a project if looking at a cage.
To me it looks like they are recovering all of their upfront costs on the NRC, and making a little margin. There is nothing wrong with that if the market will bare it.Looking for next opportunity
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12-14-2006, 10:52 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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After leaving Colo4Dallas with a 7X10 cage my company paid a large setup fee ($4,000) directly to a carrier and recouped that cost basically with in 3 months on the monthly recurring.
I would look at what your monthly recurring is, and try to go one step above the coloshops and directly to the carrier.
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12-14-2006, 11:47 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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We were quoted $11K setup fee for a 500 sqft cage, including 7 4 post racks, 12 20 amp runs and 10 30 amp runs. But that's in Denver and that was list price -- we probably would have been able to negotiate that down quite a bit had we went with that provider.
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12-15-2006, 05:01 AM #15Temporarily Suspended
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When it comes to LVLT they can charge what they want, they have a high demand.
Like $1k for vented doors that cost $250 from the manufacturer.
It all comes down to "pay to play". Building a cage is expensive unless your using chicken fence which I see a lot of people doing these days since they don't want to "pay to play".
Power installation charges are very competitive, LVLT is $500 per circuit in most facilities
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12-15-2006, 05:51 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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12-15-2006, 11:10 AM #17Master of the Truth
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s & d seems to be charging ~300/per rack for cage space install. And 500/setup per rack or no setup if you bring your own rack in.
6 rack cage cost me.. 1900 in setup fees.
Got a quote for roof access.. 3500 NRC for roof access setup now that number I was surprised with.Yellow Fiber Networks
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12-15-2006, 02:13 PM #18NetOps Guy
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If you're paying $750/rack for setup, you should be getting REAL cabinets, not Chenbro cabinets... Rittal or Chatsworth or ESW...
Honestly, it seems a bit high for a 5 rack cage, and I'm sure you could find cheaper, but if you think about it - your BW costs (if you're successful) will be much higher than your colocation costs, so go where you can get the right price for BW.
Check out Layer42's new facility, its pretty snazzy and pricing is good.AppliedOperations - Premium Service
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12-15-2006, 02:36 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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12-15-2006, 02:44 PM #20NetOps Guy
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Originally Posted by Simpli-Erica
Thats almost double of some places...
Heck, I know a place thats $2/sqft wholesale, but its a pretty crummy facility.AppliedOperations - Premium Service
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12-15-2006, 05:06 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Simpli-Erica
When we started looking for office space in conjunction to our DC floor space, I was presently surprised that $23/sq.ft actually was $23/sq.ft/year.
This is actually around $1.50 - $2.00 as compared to the $8 - $15 rate which is a reasonable built out DC space.
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12-15-2006, 09:20 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by quilner
5000 is insane. it ought to be about 1000 if you ask me.the electrical cost is right on the money.
the rack is a bit high. probably should be about 400
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12-15-2006, 10:00 PM #23Registered User
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Originally Posted by sailor
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12-16-2006, 01:10 AM #24Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by appliedops
$23/sf? not here, not ever....
How does this stuff get around!?
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12-16-2006, 04:03 AM #25Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by JamesonA
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