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    Impossible to find a reliable webhosing?!

    Choosing the right webhosting provider proved very difficult, as the vast availability of resources that rank, review, rate, provide testimonials about webhosting providers are contradicting each other; while one says that company X is the best and most reliable, another states that company X is the worst ever. It seems that internet in its glorifying stage of web2.0 -> web3.0 with the new built edifice of reviews and true testimonials has confused the available information into a pile of junk, which makes it impossible to decide where the truth really lies.

    In the last month, I have changed my webhosting providers 4 times. I started with FastHosts (they charge monthly fees for having more than 5 e-mail accounts!), moved to Strato (found out that their promise to provide name servers in Nov'06 was not true), I moved on to IX Webhosting (found that the site is down almost every day), now I have moved to Yahoo (waiting for something to happen).

    I now turn to forums. Can anyone advise which wehosting provider truly is the most reliable in your experience? I am just looking for a good amount of disk space, bandwidth, good e-mail/web-mail system, and up-time of 99.99%. My site http://www.dealslocally.com is hopefully up and coming, and I need to get a reliable host.
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    You recommended Bluehost in this thread: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...21#post4253021

    Why don't you try them, if you feel that they're a good host?
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    I read that BlueHost are reliable, as I have also read the same about IX WebHosting. The point I am making is that with so many rating engines and review sites, it is difficult to find the truth.

    I have ended up with Yahoo, which is quite expensive by comparison, but hoping that due to their size, they might be more reliable.
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    Thanks! Strato are the biggest provider in Germany, and becoming N1 in EU.

    "Fake" top lists are exactly what I am talking about; but how to decide what's fake and what isn't?

    What have you heard about Yahoo hosting?
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    Eh, Yahoo! is not very good. The email service works poorly (if at all), and it's pretty expensive for what you're getting. I used the paid GeoCities service (same as Yahoo! Web hosting) for about two years, and was not too pleased. I would never go back there, nor recommend them ever again.
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    Darn! Yahoo was my best bet ...
    Did you get much down time with them? IX WebHsoting had server down time almost every day.
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    Gnatik, you can find good hosts, just takes some research. Like Jedito said, many of those top ten lists are affiliate links that you can't really trust to much. Your best bet is hanging around here at WHT. It's one of if not the most active forums on the hosting industry you'll find. Believe me, people here are brutally honest about hosts.
    Yes, we have heard about Yahoo hosting, unfortunately, you'll probably be back here shortly looking for another host.
    Might I suggest you choose a half dozen or so hosts that fit your needs. Not what you think you'll need in the furture, but what you really need now. Make a list and search here and on Google. Don't forget, no news isn't nessisarily bad news. Bad new isn't always bad news either, just need to look at the source and research more. After asking questions here, contact each host to check response times and the types of responses you get. Wind your list down till you find the one that's good for you. Stay away from people that oversell rediculous amounts. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnatik
    Darn! Yahoo was my best bet ...
    Did you get much down time with them? IX WebHsoting had server down time almost every day.
    They may work for you, but I'd bet two to one against it. Downtime wasn't a problem - but everything else was, including support.
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    Well if you want truthful reviews (for the most part)... then you found the best place.

    Find a company who meets your needs in terms of diskspace and bandwidth. You don't have to only target companies who offer outrageous limits, find one within your needs that leaves room to grow.

    Use the search feature at the top of these forums, and do a search for the company name who looks good. Keep in mind, that when people are pissed, they want to tell the world. When people are happy, there is no reason to tell everyone. Basically, if you see a few bad reviews... there could be 1000's of other happy customers not saying anything. What you want to watch out for is a lot of *recent* bad reviews from multiple people. Also, read any bad review you may find carefully.. Alot of times, people here side with the customer first...but if and when the host chimes in to tell the real story...alot can change.

    Just because a company hosts 200,000+ domains, doesn't make them a good company. There are many smaller hosts that will work twice as hard to maintain your business, and to them... your not just another number.
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    So can you recommend any actual providers? ... I have spent a lot of time searching, and it seems that there are many important criteria and they are ranked differently everywhere. If Yahoo is not that great, who is?
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    Gnatik, let's start off with this, can you tell us what type of hosting you want? i.e. Linux? Windows? How much space do you really need and host much bandwidth do you really need? Not how much you "think" you want, but how much do you really need? Control Panel? Databases? Forums? Anything special? General things like that. Let us know so we can give you a few ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnatik
    So can you recommend any actual providers? ... I have spent a lot of time searching, and it seems that there are many important criteria and they are ranked differently everywhere. If Yahoo is not that great, who is?
    You can't resomend a host unless you have used them, here in WHT.
    Somehow, the rules says like that.

    And many hosts posting here really really want to recommend their own services, sometime.
    But it's against the rule, as well.

    If I wanted "reliability", I would go for a host with redundant setup.

    Some shared hosts have that, already.
    Example: mosso, hostingzoom, iweb.ca, ....

    Even a low budget host like servage.net has redundant clustered setup.
    I've used them and they are not bad, at all.
    But you may want to choose more expensive one if the reliability is very important.

    Mosso has %100 SLA, and if you want more than that, UtilityServe.com has 10000% SLA. http://www.servepath.com/sla/index.htm
    That's the highest SLA I've ever seen.
    You have to pay a lot more than normal shared hosting (and also manage the grid by yourself), though.

    I'm sure there are more hosts with redundant setup if you search.
    But running/maintaining these "reliable" setups is a bit more complex and difficult than single server no-brain cPanel hosting.
    So, you may want to be careful in choosing one.
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    I am looking for Unix, ~30-50GB space, ~300-500GB traffic. Not sure what specifics are required for the control pannel, but the prbably important to have a multi-lang. interface as my developers and admin. are in Ukraine; also SSL cert generation (i already have a certificate); other than that I guess standard layout is fine. I bit difficult for me to judge what exactly I need in the control pannel as I am choosing the hosting, but not using it; my admin is not able to participate as his english is not that great. Databases - MSQL ... if that answers the Qs. Perhaps worth looking at the site as well if it helps to understand what hosting is required, as the site is non-static and every page is generated using the database; the site is http://www.dealslocally.com.
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    Do you really need 30-50 GB of space and 300-500 GB of bandwidth? or that's what you would like to get?

    Are you using that much at this moment?
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    Using that much you can forget a shared hosting environment, thats into dedicated server territory esp database driven. it's not surprising that you're finding it hard to get reliable hosting. Possibly something like Mosso but then your looking at $100 /month anyways
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    Your not going to get anything reliable with those specs with a shared host. Looks like that's been your problem so far. Are you sure you really need that much? Or are you going by what the types of hosts your used to are offering? If you can get to it, look in your control panel, it should tell you the space your using now and the band width. See what those numbers are and let us know. If your right with your numbers, a dedicated server is what you should be looking at. If you want something reliable that is.
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    Have you checked the Offers section yet? That would be your best bet at this point. Once you find a few hosts there that look interesting, research them on Google and here on WHT to see what kind of reviews they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnatik
    I read that BlueHost are reliable, as I have also read the same about IX WebHosting. The point I am making is that with so many rating engines and review sites, it is difficult to find the truth.

    I have ended up with Yahoo, which is quite expensive by comparison, but hoping that due to their size, they might be more reliable.
    One thing you will come to find is that many of these rating sites have ulterior motives and are not objective, as much as they claim to be. As with anything else: buyer beware.


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    Could also try a VPS..
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    Ok, so no, currently I am not using 30-50GB, more like 100MB. However the site is just being finished off by developers and will be in beta by month end. I am anticipating that as the site is database based, it would require a stable host, and as people create adverts (each being ~1-2MB, the space will soon run out). I do not want to switch provides everytime I need more space. I anticipate that 30GB should last for about 6-9months, than I will need to swap. As bandwidth goes, again as for everypage server requests need to be sent, traffic and server load are important.

    You say that 30-50GM space and 300GB traffic is too much ... yet companies like IX WebHosting are offering unlimited space, and unlimited traffic ... but it's server is down almost everyday, which I why I want to switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnatik

    "Fake" top lists are exactly what I am talking about; but how to decide what's fake and what isn't?
    Just avoid using webhostingstuff.com they are the fakiest of all review sites i ever reviewed so far.

    And never heard anyone using yahoo hosting here.

    But yes there is bound to have issues with almost every single host(including mine) once or twice cause no one is perfect. If there is someone perfect out there than thats a miracle and is the 8th wonder.

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    How good are VPS? I have an understanding of virtualization technology, and from that VPS is simply a partition to the server; so not much different from a shared server although you get more control? Is that accurate? IS VPS much better than shared? Perhaps if it is the "middle man" between shared and dedicated it could be the answer.
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    How good are VPS?
    VPS or any sort of hosting is just as unreliable as anything else cause VPS are themselves hosted on same machine which gets shared by other vps owners. So again you are sharing resources with other users of that server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnatik
    How good are VPS? I have an understanding of virtualization technology, and from that VPS is simply a partition to the server; so not much different from a shared server although you get more control? Is that accurate? IS VPS much better than shared? Perhaps if it is the "middle man" between shared and dedicated it could be the answer.
    Hmmm.. I don't think that you need a VPS yet, also, take in mind, that usually, with a VPS you'll need to take care of everything unless you get one managed, is like a "mini dedicated server" to explain it in some way.
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    Reliable hosting can usually be measured by your budget.

    If you have 10 per month don't expect things to be reliable.

    If your hosting needs are that important you'll give it a decent budget and you'll get the hosting you want/deserve.

    Too many people expect the world on a plate for 10 per month - its simply not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reiteration

    If you have 10 per month don't expect things to be reliable.
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    Now thats an unreliable statement, you get lots of reliable things for $10 + more , all you need is a sharp eye and the instincts

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    So what good hosting s out there for the needs I outlined in previous posts? My budget is ~$40-$60
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    What is a semi-dedicated server? As per hostgator.com/shared.shtml ... is that just a VPS???
    Also, anything to say about successfulhosting.com???
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    A Semi-Dedicated server (as the one that you point at HG) is just a shared account in a server with less accounts, therefore, you get more resources to use.
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    So has anyone heard of successfulhosting.com?
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    No, I have not, but according to their site, they must be pretty good. On their About us page, I found that they have been in business since 1999 (whois check verified that the domain has been registered since 2000), and they claim to have 86,000 domains hosted. They might be worth a try, though I had never heard of them until you just mentioned them - but then again, that doesn't really mean anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnatik
    So has anyone heard of successfulhosting.com?

    Alex has been a member here a long time
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member...oster&t=550446
    Years ago they were on Alabanza but I think he now offers hsphere accounts.
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    500 GB of traffic is a ton, you would probably only use that much if you were seeding torrents

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrono03
    500 GB of traffic is a ton, you would probably only use that much if you were seeding torrents
    No, 500 GB of bandwidth can actually be used for many things. High-traffic Websites need this - and more. Granted, many folks don't need it, but some do, and not just for running torrents.
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    Thanks Marti. I'll see if I can chat to Alex about successfulhosting.
    As 500GB go, because my site is purely dynamic with over 25k pages, traffic generated from a single user can be quite substantial.

    However, I am currently thinking that I just need a reliable shared hosting, and later transfer onto dedicated.
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    Found something interesting about successfulhosting!

    When looking at their demo control panel, and licking on the magnifying glass, which takes you to the registered site flowers-theft.info, it looks like it was registered by IXWebHosting.com.

    Are these companies related I wonder?!?!
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    Gnatik,

    That's a tad odd.
    That might be worth digging into or perhaps I'm out of the loop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnatik
    Found something interesting about successfulhosting!

    When looking at their demo control panel, and licking on the magnifying glass, which takes you to the registered site flowers-theft.info, it looks like it was registered by IXWebHosting.com.

    Are these companies related I wonder?!?!
    I would definitely send them some pre-sales emails. Hopefully you can converse with Alex (I think he still owns the co. but Im not sure)
    I think if you truly need/use those specs though you will be safer with a vps or dedicated server yourself.
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    Marti ... I have considered semi-dedicated, and VPS ... but as I understand, these are simply on a shared server, but with less domains hosted. What are the true benefits?
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    What are the true benefits?
    A semidedicated will, at least in theory, give you more CPU power than you'd get in a regular shared hosting environment, since there are fewer accounts that share the server's resources (and you pay more than the average shared hosting customer).

    A VPS generally protects you from having your site(s) suspended for "server resources abuse", since your environment is separated from the other VPSes on that server. You can also optimize the VPS to fit the particular applications you're running. But the VPS can also limit the maximum amount of server resources available for your site, and some short peaks of traffic might result in temporary poor performance due to VPS overloading.

    However, I am currently thinking that I just need a reliable shared hosting, and later transfer onto dedicated.
    I agree, since you're just starting your site. Luckily, you have a very good budget for shared hosting.

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