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    * AlphaRed/OrangeFiber/Idealbandwidth = Foundry N A P ?

    Hallo fellow WHT members, I would like to present you this information which I have found through my research.....


    Official MSV_AR or MSV = Michael Sanduval

    But if you look a more into it. You get this;

    This thread.

    http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=159668

    Look at name, it says to ask for Chris and the domain that is listed
    there is registered to following

    Registrant Name:Chris Gotzmann
    Registrant Organization:CDG Holdings, In
    The mobile phone number in the above thread for the
    car forsale. This number
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...76&postcount=2 is
    MSV_AR's cell phone number. Didn't MrDredd = Chris Gotzman Treto for
    Foundry N A P?

    Look
    http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=11303316&postcount=52

    That is someone that reps OrangeFiber/AlphaRed a lot and the Silver SL
    that is supposed to be his is actually registered to James McCreary , but
    the domain that it is hosted on is cdgholdings.org wich belongs to the
    ''famous'' Chris Gotzman Treto.

    So, is AlphaRed/OrangeFiber/IdealBandwidth just the "legit" biz built
    out of the remains of the Foundry N A P scam?

    What is the relationship with all of these parties ? One last post to
    look at is
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...1&postcount=79 there
    the "owner" of AlphaRed claims to not be affiliated with Chris in any
    way, but why would a car that is registered to him in a domain hosted by
    AlphaRed that is registered to Chris Gotzman?

    Does anybody have more information add to my reserach?

    Thank you all and have a good day....
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    Very interesting, indeed.
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    Why are you researching this?
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    damier ,
    I am researching this because the orange fiber topic interests me. i read about lot of controversey here and i thought i would see what i could find...as you see i found interesting information and i decided to share.

    thank you ,

    -Fernando
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    It is known that Chris used to work for AlphaRed / OrangeFiber in the past (I remember all the controversy between my company and theirs). James had said that he was fired, but this new information is pretty interesting. Looks like he still works for AlphaRed / OrangeFiber ?
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    For those of us who don't know... what's Foundary?
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    Yeah, Chris and his partner ripped us off a few years ago for a bunch of client domain names, customers and some funds out of our Paypal account. I've never felt so fooled in all my life - but to have someone you hire steal and abuse your trust is sickening.

    It was several years ago, but it still pisses me off like it was yesterday. We had 4000-ish domains in our enom account and they would quietly push domains into their own accounts, change the nameservers and move the client files to their own servers. Took quite awhile before we caught on. To this day I will NEVER trust anyone else to handle our billing or domains.

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    He didn't just rip off companies, as he jumped out on a good number of bills with us, but he ripped off his customers as well. From going through records we were presented and from trying to assist some of his customers in the aftermath it was obvious he was selling several people the same "managed dedicated server." People were convinced, as they had been told, that they had dedicated servers and they were paying for dedicated servers, but they did not have dedicated servers. I believe there were generally 4-5 people per server, and since they just used FTP, etc. and just had Chris/FNAP manage their boxes they had no idea they were getting ripped off. He was just preying on those people who were unfamiliar with the industry and that hurts the rest of the industry as I doubt those people will freely deal with others in the industry again after getting ripped off like that. To compound that, some of them had prepaid for periods of time, etc. while his (Chris/FoundryNAPs) bills went unpaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlZimmer
    He didn't just rip off companies, as he jumped out on a good number of bills with us, but he ripped off his customers as well. From going through records we were presented and from trying to assist some of his customers in the aftermath it was obvious he was selling several people the same "managed dedicated server." People were convinced, as they had been told, that they had dedicated servers and they were paying for dedicated servers, but they did not have dedicated servers. I believe there were generally 4-5 people per server, and since they just used FTP, etc. and just had Chris/FNAP manage their boxes they had no idea they were getting ripped off. He was just preying on those people who were unfamiliar with the industry and that hurts the rest of the industry as I doubt those people will freely deal with others in the industry again after getting ripped off like that. To compound that, some of them had prepaid for periods of time, etc. while his (Chris/FoundryNAPs) bills went unpaid.

    Just goes to further show the lack of ethics at Alphared / TulinOnline / OrangeFiber / Idealbandwidth (Partnership with DeeCash porn site) / what ever other names they have. They knew this full well when they brought Chris on board and even claimed to have "fired" him but have now knowingly employed him this entire time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewhost
    For those of us who don't know... what's Foundary?
    From what I'm understanding from reading the huge amount of posts:

    1)Foundary's a hosting company that supposedly scammed people?
    2)Everyone's trying to protect their reputation by saying they know nothing of that company?
    3)Everyone's trying to accuse each other of knowing that company?
    4)If I rented a server from Orangefiber, then I'm going to be scammed?

    Feel free to correct me if I misinterpreted things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewhost

    Feel free to correct me if I misinterpreted things.
    The long and the short of it seems to be that OrangeFiber is being less than truthful AND hiring a known con/scam artist who's hurt a lot of people.

    Chris is more than just a hoster that's run a company into the ground and then left customers and vendors holding the bag (we've all heard unfortunate stories like this). Chris' history shows that he PURPOSELY and KNOWINGLY is stealing from people. He's not just someone with bad business sense...he willfully participates in criminal activity for personal gain and OrangeFiber appears to have known full well of these allegations and Chris' history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH-Tina
    The long and the short of it seems to be that OrangeFiber is being less than truthful AND hiring a known con/scam artist who's hurt a lot of people.

    Chris is more than just a hoster that's run a company into the ground and then left customers and vendors holding the bag (we've all heard unfortunate stories like this). Chris' history shows that he PURPOSELY and KNOWINGLY is stealing from people. He's not just someone with bad business sense...he willfully participates in criminal activity for personal gain and OrangeFiber appears to have known full well of these allegations and Chris' history.

    --Tina

    The entire ********** debacle (apparently f0undrynap is a banned word which shows how bad it was) was debated heavily on the www.gfy.com forums (warning, adult site) where the vast majority of his customers were from. On there and numerous other forums Chris claimed to have sold ********** to a "houston based hosting company" for $250k and they were flying him to Manilla to meet their overseas staff, etc.

    It's really sad.
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    Michael Sanduval Is Banned from WHT

    Well, I normally like to keep my mouth shut about issues like this, but I do have an "industry opinion" of Alphared / TulinOnline / OrangeFiber / Idealbandwidth (Partnership with DeeCash porn site) / what ever other names..........

    However, to avoid WHT Points, I will not go into my opinion....


    I will share with you a nice little PM that was sent to me when PSF was going through some well documented difficult times from Michael Sanduval who is thankfully banned from WHT.


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    Private Message: Good Riddance

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    Good Riddance
    Maybe this is punishment enough for harrassing us... looks like the big talker couldnt walk the walk.

    Have fun sitting in your own failure.

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    Ray don't listen to that crap from em! They always seem like the bully around here taking our lunch money.
    Keep rocking with PSF!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WireSix
    Just goes to further show the lack of ethics at Alphared / TulinOnline / OrangeFiber / Idealbandwidth (Partnership with DeeCash porn site) / what ever other names they have. They knew this full well when they brought Chris on board and even claimed to have "fired" him but have now knowingly employed him this entire time?
    That gets overlooked here, a lot.. James, the head of this bunch, outrightly lied to me and WHT saying Chris was being replaced. His exact quote was, "Honestly - I believe it now. That is why I am replacing him." (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...postcount=118). There is a full thread, basically, in which the question was brought back up, and instead of saying yes or no, as to whether Chris still worked there, they just attacked me and any others who brought up the question (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=408051). At that point. I was simply interested in Chris, as Chris owes me a good sum of money and has damaged the hosting industry as a whole. Now, it seems they keep him employed, even knowing his past, lied about getting rid of him, and continue attacks against their competition when ANY question regarding their operations is brought up instead of just answering the questions, as I did when they attacked me, which then makes it difficult for me to keep my distrust/dislike of Chris contained to just Chris...
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    So think twice about OF/AR?
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    Well after reading this thread makes me glad I didnt order that box from them.. (which he's the one who replied to me when I inquired for information)
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    People should have been thinking twice about them all along. There have been multiple posts regarding all the shady operations that they have done such as:

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...light=AlphaRed
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...light=AlphaRed
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...ht=OrangeFiber
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...light=AlphaRed
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    Chris is one of the major reasons that Net Sentry Corp. ended up folding. He had an unsatisfied contract for a bandwidth commit which was the sole reason for our expansion into the Equinix Chicago site.
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    why was Michael Sanduval banned from WHT?

    it'd be very nice to get an official response to all of thise. I host some things with them and I'd like to have some sort of clarification, as I'm sure a lot of others would
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    This is actually a pretty old flame war that I thought had been settled at least two years ago. I'm very surprised that theres an active thread on this..
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    Quote Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
    This is actually a pretty old flame war that I thought had been settled at least two years ago. I'm very surprised that theres an active thread on this..
    OrangeFiber isn't even 2 years old. The reason the war is still going on is because new evidence has risen that Chris still works for OrangeFiber despite James saying he was fired.
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    I am also curious as to why MSV_AR is disabled...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHServers
    OrangeFiber isn't even 2 years old. The reason the war is still going on is because new evidence has risen that Chris still works for OrangeFiber despite James saying he was fired.

    Chris IS OrangeFiber, muck like Deepak from Deecash is IdealBandwidth.

    Orangefiber didn't exist untill chris ran off with everyone's money from **********. They never "fired" him just gave him a different name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WireSix
    Chris IS OrangeFiber, muck like Deepak from Deecash is IdealBandwidth.

    Orangefiber didn't exist untill chris ran off with everyone's money from **********. They never "fired" him just gave him a different name.
    We can't speculate that Chris is the top guy at Orangefiber. For all we know and can say, James McCreary is the top guy. The thing that bothers me is how shady they are about everything, and yet they are still allowed to do business here. I feel bad for the customers but there's not much I can do, perhaps a meltdown at the company will occur and I will just be standing there saying "I told you so."
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