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12-06-2006, 10:05 PM #1Disabled
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AlphaRed/OrangeFiber/Idealbandwidth = Foundry N A P ?
Hallo fellow WHT members, I would like to present you this information which I have found through my research.....
Official MSV_AR or MSV = Michael Sanduval
But if you look a more into it. You get this;
This thread.
http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=159668
Look at name, it says to ask for Chris and the domain that is listed
there is registered to following
Registrant Name:Chris Gotzmann
Registrant Organization:CDG Holdings, In
car forsale. This number
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...76&postcount=2 is
MSV_AR's cell phone number. Didn't MrDredd = Chris Gotzman Treto for
Foundry N A P?
Look
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=11303316&postcount=52
That is someone that reps OrangeFiber/AlphaRed a lot and the Silver SL
that is supposed to be his is actually registered to James McCreary , but
the domain that it is hosted on is cdgholdings.org wich belongs to the
''famous'' Chris Gotzman Treto.
So, is AlphaRed/OrangeFiber/IdealBandwidth just the "legit" biz built
out of the remains of the Foundry N A P scam?
What is the relationship with all of these parties ? One last post to
look at is
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...1&postcount=79 there
the "owner" of AlphaRed claims to not be affiliated with Chris in any
way, but why would a car that is registered to him in a domain hosted by
AlphaRed that is registered to Chris Gotzman?
Does anybody have more information add to my reserach?
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12-06-2006, 10:17 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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Very interesting, indeed.
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12-06-2006, 10:21 PM #3Web Hosting Guru
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12-06-2006, 10:28 PM #4Disabled
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damier ,
I am researching this because the orange fiber topic interests me. i read about lot of controversey here and i thought i would see what i could find...as you see i found interesting information and i decided to share.
thank you ,
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12-06-2006, 10:48 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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It is known that Chris used to work for AlphaRed / OrangeFiber in the past (I remember all the controversy between my company and theirs). James had said that he was fired, but this new information is pretty interesting. Looks like he still works for AlphaRed / OrangeFiber ?
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12-06-2006, 11:18 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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For those of us who don't know... what's Foundary?
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12-06-2006, 11:36 PM #7Invented the Internet
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Yeah, Chris and his partner ripped us off a few years ago for a bunch of client domain names, customers and some funds out of our Paypal account. I've never felt so fooled in all my life - but to have someone you hire steal and abuse your trust is sickening.
It was several years ago, but it still pisses me off like it was yesterday. We had 4000-ish domains in our enom account and they would quietly push domains into their own accounts, change the nameservers and move the client files to their own servers. Took quite awhile before we caught on. To this day I will NEVER trust anyone else to handle our billing or domains.
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12-07-2006, 03:17 AM #8THE Web Hosting Master
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He didn't just rip off companies, as he jumped out on a good number of bills with us, but he ripped off his customers as well. From going through records we were presented and from trying to assist some of his customers in the aftermath it was obvious he was selling several people the same "managed dedicated server." People were convinced, as they had been told, that they had dedicated servers and they were paying for dedicated servers, but they did not have dedicated servers. I believe there were generally 4-5 people per server, and since they just used FTP, etc. and just had Chris/FNAP manage their boxes they had no idea they were getting ripped off. He was just preying on those people who were unfamiliar with the industry and that hurts the rest of the industry as I doubt those people will freely deal with others in the industry again after getting ripped off like that. To compound that, some of them had prepaid for periods of time, etc. while his (Chris/FoundryNAPs) bills went unpaid.
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12-07-2006, 11:25 AM #9Managed Service Provider
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Originally Posted by KarlZimmer
Just goes to further show the lack of ethics at Alphared / TulinOnline / OrangeFiber / Idealbandwidth (Partnership with DeeCash porn site) / what ever other names they have. They knew this full well when they brought Chris on board and even claimed to have "fired" him but have now knowingly employed him this entire time?0
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12-07-2006, 11:34 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by ewhost
1)Foundary's a hosting company that supposedly scammed people?
2)Everyone's trying to protect their reputation by saying they know nothing of that company?
3)Everyone's trying to accuse each other of knowing that company?
4)If I rented a server from Orangefiber, then I'm going to be scammed?
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12-07-2006, 12:07 PM #11Invented the Internet
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Originally Posted by ewhost
Chris is more than just a hoster that's run a company into the ground and then left customers and vendors holding the bag (we've all heard unfortunate stories like this). Chris' history shows that he PURPOSELY and KNOWINGLY is stealing from people. He's not just someone with bad business sense...he willfully participates in criminal activity for personal gain and OrangeFiber appears to have known full well of these allegations and Chris' history.
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12-07-2006, 12:30 PM #12Managed Service Provider
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Originally Posted by AH-Tina
The entire ********** debacle (apparently f0undrynap is a banned word which shows how bad it was) was debated heavily on the www.gfy.com forums (warning, adult site) where the vast majority of his customers were from. On there and numerous other forums Chris claimed to have sold ********** to a "houston based hosting company" for $250k and they were flying him to Manilla to meet their overseas staff, etc.
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12-07-2006, 12:44 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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Michael Sanduval Is Banned from WHT
Well, I normally like to keep my mouth shut about issues like this, but I do have an "industry opinion" of Alphared / TulinOnline / OrangeFiber / Idealbandwidth (Partnership with DeeCash porn site) / what ever other names..........
However, to avoid WHT Points, I will not go into my opinion....
I will share with you a nice little PM that was sent to me when PSF was going through some well documented difficult times from Michael Sanduval who is thankfully banned from WHT.
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08-28-2006, 07:11 PM
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Good Riddance
Maybe this is punishment enough for harrassing us... looks like the big talker couldnt walk the walk.
Have fun sitting in your own failure.
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12-07-2006, 08:31 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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Ray don't listen to that crap from em! They always seem like the bully around here taking our lunch money.
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12-08-2006, 01:14 PM #15THE Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by WireSixKarl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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12-08-2006, 11:04 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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So think twice about OF/AR?
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12-08-2006, 11:31 PM #17WHT Addict
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Well after reading this thread makes me glad I didnt order that box from them.. (which he's the one who replied to me when I inquired for information)
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12-09-2006, 03:53 AM #18Web Hosting Master
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People should have been thinking twice about them all along. There have been multiple posts regarding all the shady operations that they have done such as:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...light=AlphaRed
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...light=AlphaRed
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...ht=OrangeFiber
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...light=AlphaRed0
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12-09-2006, 06:13 PM #19CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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Chris is one of the major reasons that Net Sentry Corp. ended up folding. He had an unsatisfied contract for a bandwidth commit which was the sole reason for our expansion into the Equinix Chicago site.
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12-09-2006, 06:36 PM #20Junior Guru
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why was Michael Sanduval banned from WHT?
it'd be very nice to get an official response to all of thise. I host some things with them and I'd like to have some sort of clarification, as I'm sure a lot of others would0
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12-09-2006, 06:59 PM #21CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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This is actually a pretty old flame war that I thought had been settled at least two years ago. I'm very surprised that theres an active thread on this..
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12-09-2006, 08:07 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff0
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12-09-2006, 08:13 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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I am also curious as to why MSV_AR is disabled...
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12-09-2006, 08:17 PM #24Managed Service Provider
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Originally Posted by JHServers
Chris IS OrangeFiber, muck like Deepak from Deecash is IdealBandwidth.
Orangefiber didn't exist untill chris ran off with everyone's money from **********. They never "fired" him just gave him a different name.0
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12-09-2006, 09:31 PM #25Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by WireSix0