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    modernbill version related question

    We have bought modernbill licence and we are thinking of switching from clientexec. If you guys can help which version is recommended. We d like to go with the v5, but heard its full of bugs. So what would be its major bugs, and how does it do in comparison with v4? Thanks.
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    I'm using CE 2.8 but we tried MB 5. Although it seemed pretty stable to me (pity they don't have the translations ready), I strongly advice to stay with ClientExec UNLESS you really need any functionality MB offers and CE doesn't. The interface its very complicated and if something is not working you'll have to check plenty of things before finding what was wrong.

    CE has more than we need, specially with their latest release.
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    I completely agree with Juanzo. I just have setup MB 4 (The most recommended version) and I just feel like changing to ClientExec (I own a license of each). MB 4 has way too much things which are not needed and everything depends on everything. So If you mess something up you'll have to search over 100 settings that could be wrong. v5 isn't recommended for a production environment either.

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    I asked one of the modernbill tech support when i was about to get it few months ago he told me v5 was bug free and that there was no problem with it anymore. You can always confirm this by contacting there tech support which is really good.

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    Which version you should use primarily depends on which modules you will be using. Overall, I'd suggest begin with version 4. You can always migrate over to the newer version. If you are one who has to have the newest technology, give version 5 a test run. If you notice anything which would prevent you from running it in a live environment, then my suggestion would be to stick with version 4, or continue with client exec until version 5 is stable enough for you to use it. I hope this helped .
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    Sticking with v4 is a high security risk, and will eventually lead to problems.
    Modernbill has stated that they will NOT be developing under v4 any longer.

    v4 doesn't work with php 5.1, thusly most likely php 5.2 .
    Any changes made by the php team will involve security fixes, and most likely cause modernbill NOT to work with later 4.x versions.

    Unfortunately, modernbill does not plan on fixing their problems, they're just ignoring them, pretending they will go away. They've been ignoring customer complaints of "it's too complicated" for years now, and with v5 just made things more complicated.

    Realistically, if you're after a billing/hosting panel, modernbill is not the way to look. They're over priced, under supported and have no respect for their customers whatsoever.

    If you're looking for billing/hosting setups, I'd check out WHMCS, they do have a conversion tool from ClientExec IIRC, and it's a decent setup. The support is excellent,the customer service is off the charts, and the product is just great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linux-tech
    Realistically, if you're after a billing/hosting panel, modernbill is not the way to look. They're over priced, under supported and have no respect for their customers whatsoever.
    I 100% agree with this opinion, especially with the last part. (We are currently stuck with an old "unlimited" license with support renewed until 2008 that we can't even sell to someone else because MB changed their transfer policy with no notice whatsoever.)

    With regard to the actual software.. you're flat out nuts if you trust your business to their "new" version 5. You should think of it as version 1, since it is brand new software. Don't kid yourself by believing their sales website into thinking it's great. Just look at their own forums for many "loyal" users who think it is not production ready yet.

    If I had to pick between CE and ModernBill, I would choose CE without a doubt, unless your business will die without some specific feature that it doesn't have.
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    I help do support for a company with a ModernBill / eNom / cPanel setup with around 1500 clients. All I have to say is if I had the choice from the beginning I would have avoided ModernBill.

    The system looks good aesthetically. But when it comes down to daily tasks and operations it is such a pain to use and so slow. The simplest tasks take many clicks and edits, sometimes on multiple pages.

    I also agree with linux-tech's statement:
    Realistically, if you're after a billing/hosting panel, modernbill is not the way to look. They're over priced, under supported and have no respect for their customers whatsoever.
    I have been following ModernBill v5 for a little bit. But lost interest when I realized it was going in the exact same direction as v4. My 2 cents on ModernBill.
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    I use ModernBill and I have yet to find anything that actual reflects a True Accounting Atmosphere other than ModernBill.

    Please, point me to one that does.

    Personally we are, and will continue to use MB 5. I've yet to find a show stopping bug in the latest release.

    No, it doesn't have all perfect features yet, but everything does work.

    I don't have problems with support and have received help every time I have had to contact support.

    Realistically if you are after a Billing/Hosting Panel that you want the ability to handle thousands of clients ModernBill is a very reasonable option.

    In fact if you were to have an accountant look over ModernBill's system compared to various others you would find they would prefer ModernBill.

    The other difference is the way it does accounting in V5 allows very easy migration into various General Ledger database accounting systems, like MS Small Business Accounting, Cougar Mountain Accounting, and the thousands of others that use a standard general ledger accounting system.

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    Realistically if you are after a Billing/Hosting Panel that you want the ability to handle thousands of clients ModernBill is a very reasonable option.
    No.
    Modernbill is an OVERPRICED "billing client". Like I said before, you can do anything modernbill does, 10x better with another client. I don't care what you're doing, if it can be done in php, it can be done BETTER elsewhere.

    Reasonable is not spending hours trying to configure a "billing client"
    Reasonable is not releasing product when it's not fully functional
    Reasonable is not saying "we refuse to put the work into upgrading our products".
    Reasonable is not having to learn an entire API just to program something custom into the billing client.
    Reasonable is NOT having to wait DAYS to hear something back from support (which btw, is paid for), only to find out that they are clueless idiots that can't fix anything.

    Realistically, if you want just a billing / hosting panel, look elsewhere. Modernbill is hardly this any more. Given the complicated steps just to setup a product and get it working, you are going to waste your time with it.

    Unfortunately, there are those fanboys like the above poster who look @ anything !modernbill as just an untruth, and can't counter with any REAL evidence, just silly statements.

    I've used most likely every billing client out there, modernbill included. The ONLY thing modernbill's got going for it (or had) is it's age and customer loyalty. Easy to use? Hardly. Realistic? hardly.

    Is it, reasonable to require your customers to pay for "training" so that they can learn your software? Of course not.

    Is it reasonable to expect that your customers spend 20-30 minutes per product when putting data into a system, or that they have to deal with countless configuration requirements for each product? Of course not. Try telling that to the idiots @ MB, though.

    Is it reasonable to not provide stable upgrade paths for your customers? Of course, not. Not only is it not reasonable, but it is unprofessional and inconsiderate of the company to do this, regardless of the "changes".

    When it comes down to it, one word describes modernbill any more: bloatware. It's not a billing client, it's a cash cow for MG. From requiring paid training to every penny they make from their affiliates (google, enom, sslfactory, fraudguardian, etc), this is nothing but bloatware.

    If you want a BILLING client that handles billing, is easy to use, and isn't bloatware, look elsewhere, because modernbill is not the answer.

    Any properly designed billing client will handle 1000s of clients, that's nothing.
    Any properly designed billing client will provide upgrade paths for customers, FULL UPGRADE PATHS.
    Any properly designed billing client will not take hours to learn and configure.
    Any properly designed billing client will seamlessly integrate into your website with minor configuration problems.
    Any properly designed billing client will provide proper programming instructions, not require customers to learn a special language dedicated to one client.

    Oh well, I guess 1/5 aint bad, right? Reasonable? Yeah, not modernbill
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    And then there are those avid haters. I'm not a fan boy, I have accounting training. I have an accountant that works for this business.

    If you can do everything ModernBill does, in the same accounting system so it uses the same general ledger principles, then please feel free.

    I would like to actually see something compete on an actual accounting basis with ModernBill.

    You keep going on about there unwillingness to fix MB V4, yet they continue to fix and work on MB V5.

    When was the last time you dealt with ModernBill support as a license holder?

    Hold it, for that matter have you ever been one?

    Lets get some facts here. How long has it been since you have actually fully used ModernBill and tried to get support?

    How long before that did you use it?

    Why are you so angry at them that you have to troll every thread about it and make snide rude comments and try to get on anyones nerves who says "ANYTHING" that contradicts you?

    FYI, it doesn't take 20/30 minutes to put a product together. It takes about 5 minutes if you have worked with MB 4 or 5 at all you would know that.

    This thread was the top of the "Hosting Software" forums when I found it. I didn't go "TROLLING".

    I don't expect you trolled to find this thread either, but your attitude is wrong.

    You want to voice your opinion fine. You want to point out "EXACT FAULTS", that is fine.

    But to come in and start going on about this and that, when I can very definitely tell you must not currently use the software, is wrong.

    And for that matter I believe Hosting Software is just like Hosting Companies here. If you were with them before you can voice opinions on "HOW IT WAS" but not "HOW IT IS" Unless you are currently with them.

    Oh, and just so you know, ModernBill is a "Billing Software" a "Billing Client" would be one of our customers. Feel free to use the dictionary on that one.
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    When was the last time you dealt with ModernBill support as a license holder?
    Less than 4 months ago, and yes, I have been one.

    FYI, it doesn't take 20/30 minutes to put a product together. It takes about 5 minutes if you have worked with MB 4 or 5 at all you would know that.
    Wrong answer
    In order to setup a modernbill product SUCCESSFULLY, with multiple categories, you need to:

    A> setup the product, which involves
    -- Setting up the product itself
    -- Setting up associations for the product
    -- Setting up currencies for the product
    -- Setting up pricing for the product
    (Total: 10-15 minutes)
    B> Associate the product with it's own widget
    (5 minutes)
    C> Add the widget to your website (depends)

    The locations to do this? Everywhere and anywhere. It isn't like they're right there staring at you, no, they're placed in different locations, links, etc, and each one can be complicated.

    Again, custom crap that nobody wants to learn.
    The last product I setup with modernbill was setup < 4 months ago. Between having to re-integrate the order cart into my website, dealing with their session errors, dealing with their stupid widget crap, it took average 20-30 minutes PER PRODUCT to get the final product listed on a beta webpage.

    You want to voice your opinion fine. You want to point out "EXACT FAULTS", that is fine.
    You refuse to LOOK at the exact faults. They're staring you right in the face. Wake up, look at them. Stop trying to pull this "modernbill is great" act, because it is anything but!

    I started using MB back in 2003, just after I started things off. I used it for better than a year, until they sold my private information to one of their partners which got me put on a spam list, about a year and a half later.

    For two years, I settled for other clients, from AWBS to LPanel, until finally I moved back to MB early this year. This was WELL before v5 was stable, and WELL after php 5.1 was stable as well.

    For approximately 6 months, maybe a bit longer, I went with v4, which required that I utilize php 5.0, an INSECURE version of php. v5 wasn't ready, and still ISN'T for production use (any product which does NOT do a full upgrade from previous versions is NOT stable), yet they refused to upgrade their software to work with the later php versions, despite their claims that it does.

    You come in here claiming that modernbill is "reasonable" for a "billing client", and you expect people to just out and out believe that? No, it's not.

    It is completely unreasonable to expect that your clients have to redesign their own website to work with your "billing application". At most, all that should have to be done is post a link to the order page. Not so with mb5 and multiple categories (ie: hosting/domains/ssl/security, you get the idea). If that's the case, then you're looking at complicated setup steps that just add mess and frustration into the mix.

    Again, you come in, trying to discredit me, yet you know not a thing about me. Amusing, but incorrect. My subscription with modernbill was cancelled at the end of August, after finally just having enough with the BS that is mb5, and the poor support.

    I'm hardly a "hater", but when I see something that is so ridiculously wrong, it's CLEARLY necessary to point out the obvious here. Modernbill MAY (note: MAY) be a reasonable application for accounting, but it is hardly a reasonable application for billing/hosting.

    MB5 isn't stable or ready to be used yet. When they come up with a full integration script, then maybe (maybe) it will be, but that won't ever happen, we've already been assured that by Michael.

    Oh, and for the record:
    The php5.1 ticket was created on May 1, MONTHS before mb5 was "stable", MONTHS AFTER php 5.1 was stable. Whether or not they had a "beta" version working is irrelevant, they can't expect clients to immediately jump ship and go to a beta version because they're too lazy to fix their scripts.
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    Just because you seem to have a harder than normal time with ModernBill doesn't mean everyone does.

    I setup all my products, then associated them to a widget. The association to the widget took less than 30 seconds.

    Personal opinion I think your problem is that ModernBill or some employee or someone accosiated with ModernBill made you angry. Now you are out to try to destroy them in any way you can.

    Your viewpoint on how to do things and the time it takes to do so is definitely incorrect to start with.

    Not going to bother getting into it again.
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    I will say this about Modernbill... IMHO they bit off more than they could chew with V5, and due to all the pressure to deliver rolled out a horribly immature piece of code as a 'production-ready' release in May 2006. Here we are 6 months later and it doesn't take a genius to figure out v5 still isn't ready for prime-time yet.

    For anyone interested, I'd suggest reading the MB forums. They're full of issues and unsatisfied customers. I truly wish there was a better option out there that supported Ensim hosts.

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    I would have to completely agree with Larry here on both linux-tech's posts as well as Modernbill itself.

    We've been using Mbill 4 for over 2 years now and are geniunely happy with it. There are a few things that I wish were improved, but that can be said about any piece of software. It's flexible enough and powerful enough to manage a large amount of clients, send out invoices, etc.. There is definitely a learning curve but after you get the hang of it, it works quite well. I never had problems setting up packages, as well as adding them to our site. This process takes less than a minute for each package if you know what you're adding. I would definitely recommend the OP to go with Modernbill v4. Hold off on v5 until it's been tested and tried a bit more.

    As for linux-tech's posts, from what I've noticed if you don't like something, you tend to get a bit overbearing with your posts. Makes me feel like you're shouting out loud as you type, all the while tearing your hair out. Surprised you haven't had a heart attack yet. While it is your opinion, I think you should be a bit more polite and professional with the way you voice them. Agree to disagree and quit acting like your opinion/stance is final and everyone else is wrong.
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    Thumbs down

    v5 is too complicated for me to try and sit and figure out. I am moving on myself. I refuse to pay for something that I canít use or figure out. I and will not use a forum as a primary means to get support when I am paying a fee. I think that MB uses this as a scapegoat not to support its customers.


    FYI about versions..

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    Here's a quick update for everyone watching this thread.

    A lot of core improvements have been made since the last release. They will be rolled into a 5.1.3/4 release to be available by the end of this week. A more detailed list of the changes will be available shortly. (Some of the highlights are - Major PayPal Updates, Historical Package Updates, Partial Refunds, All New Email Templates, and much, much more.)

    Once 5.1.X is released this week, we will begin our migration process from v4 to v5. Our goal is to be 100% migrated to v5 before the end of the year (in about 2 weeks). Note that for accounting purposes, it is a good time to migrate before the new tax year begins.

    Once the clock strikes 12 on New Year Eve, development will resume full speed on 5.2 with an end of Jan-07 ETA. We will be focusing on completing the modules slated for 5.2 as well as setting up the framework for the v5 reports API.

    From there, 5.3 will be scoped and scheduled accordingly.

    I hope this update was what you were looking for.

    Have a great day!

    No more version 4?? I think thats what this is saying.

    Well I simply canít keep waiting. MB gets an F from me and I am firing them for failing to deliver. This is the real world and there is no excuse.
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    I am not sure how you guys ask for support but honestly, I have never had any issues with getting it. I know it takes about 24 hours to get a reply if it's after hours, so I'm fine with that. But I always get help within 24 hours. They are more than willing to look into my issues and work with me.

    So once again, not sure why it's not working for everyone else here...
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    I've never relied on the forums for support, if I need it I put in a ticket. If it's an emergency and I know there is no way I can wait for a ticket to be answered I pay for the professional support services and get someone on the phone.

    I "DO" use the forums for various intermediary purposes and when I have questions about "How do I do this" because that is what forums are for.

    Or if I have questions about "Is this not working or is it me doing something wrong?"

    Those are the medium for those kinds of issues.

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    Just because you seem to have a harder than normal time with ModernBill doesn't mean everyone does.
    And the reverse can be said. So, let's leave it for the users to decide, shall we?
    V5 Opinions
    My first decision is that, it is very complicated.
    The admin interface is very complicated.
    It takes 3 hours to setup v5 and configuration is not yet completed. I am tired
    Upgrade to v5 a mistake?
    v5 is absolutely the most complicated software I have EVER used.
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    I won't even go into HOW common that is, or how many times I had to go through that before I just gave up on modernbill alltogether.

    From this very own thread:
    v5 is too complicated for me to try and sit and figure out.
    This is , of course, not counting the numerous individuals who came to me (and still do), asking me to setup their MB systems for them, both 4 and 5, because it was too difficult and complicated to do.

    So, when it comes down to it, you're wrong. To the general public, modernbill IS complicated and difficult to setup. In the words of one poster, it can take 3 hours to do, and that's not even all the way done.


    No more version 4?? I think thats what this is saying.
    They've been saying that since v5 was in alpha/beta stages, NO more updates to v4, and yes, at some point they WILL cease to offer v4 period as a download. Unfortunately, this is not a wise decision, given the absolute HORRIBLE mess that v5 is.

    Yes, there are those that will disagree with what I'm saying, but, there is no way you can disagree with the facts. Modernbill has abandoned all sense of customer respect, refused to update products (thusly causing security issues), is complicated to learn and setup, has forced developers to their OWN API (causing problems with such developers as kayako and others) rather than using a REAL coding language and so many other things. In the end, mb5 is nothing but a big, bloated joke.
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    I never said it was "Easy" I said you were having a more complicated time than most.

    If you don't like ModernBill then tell the users to go somewhere else to get it setup. You don't use it so what point is it for you to be setting it up for someone else? Let them go to someone like ModernAdvisors, or are you to arrogant to let a customer go to someone who may know how to do something better than you?

    The same problems setting software up could be referred to other software just as easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by linux-tech
    Yes, there are those that will disagree with what I'm saying, but, there is no way you can disagree with the facts. Modernbill has abandoned all sense of customer respect, refused to update products (thusly causing security issues), is complicated to learn and setup, has forced developers to their OWN API (causing problems with such developers as kayako and others) rather than using a REAL coding language and so many other things. In the end, mb5 is nothing but a big, bloated joke.
    This is an "OPINION!" not fact. So, voice it as your opinion, not what you believe to be fact.

    I have never had a problem dealing with ModernBill staff or support. I have had issues here and there and they have been resolved.

    Right down to the fact that they resolved issues I was having via tickets and avoided using the phone support I had paid for to get it resolved. In other words they saved me that money that I was willing to pay.

    Your opinion of a real coding language seems to be able to be left open to interpretation also.

    Personally I'm starting to get an idea of what kind of person you are. Once you decide something there is no if and or but, everything you say is fact, even if it isn't.

    I don't see much point in even discussing things with you at all anymore. Your arrogant and believe your beliefs are facts, which is a perception not reality.

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    Once you decide something there is no if and or but, everything you say is fact, even if it isn't.
    Like you're doing anything different here. You're so hellbent on seeing modernbill as the end all and be all of everything that you refuse to see the facts when they're laid out in front of you.

    The same problems setting software up could be referred to other software just as easily.
    Not to the degree that modernbill has had them. Modernbill is notorious for being a pain to setup, integrate into websites and the like. This isn't "opinion", this is fact, proven by MANY statements stating just that.

    This is an "OPINION!" not fact. So, voice it as your opinion, not what you believe to be fact.
    None of this is "opinion".

    Modernbill HAS, in fact stated they WILL NOT update their software, even when the software to take it's place was in BETA. This is NOT opinion, this is COLD HARD FACT!

    Countless users have stated the same thing that it is "complicated to setup". Of course, like I said, you're so hellbent on using it and pushing it that you don't see this, just because it's not "complicated" to you. This isn't "opinion", this is fact.

    Modernbill has, in fact forced developers to their own api calls for the very basic of things (such as user authentication). This isn't something that is "standard", this is poor programming at best. The STANDARD (proper) way to do this is to allow the user to select user/password (encrypted, of course) from the database. Of course, modernbill refuses to adhere to these standards, what's new there.

    As far as languages, and programming:
    php is a standard programming language, modernbill API is not
    html is a standard language, modernbill API is not
    perl is a standard programming language, modernbill API is not
    python is a standard programming language, modernbill API is not
    C is a standard programming language, modernbill API is not

    Anything requiring an API requires you to first LEARN that API, LEARN how to use it, and then learn the other languages you're writing whatever in. Rather than just do with the basic language, you have to learn a special code (or language) to deal with modernbill and their API. This has caused numerous delays in products, such as Kayako (proven fact, again) when dealing with modernbill.


    The facts are there, right there, in front of you. Just because you don't want to open up your eyes and see them doesn't make them ANY less valid.
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    Lets get one thing straight, I don't have problems with ModernBill.

    I'm not trying to force my "OPINION" on people.

    I'm just trying to push you from forcing your opinion on others, and I'm sure others here would agree with me that is the way you are coming off.


    1.) Updating - They are not updating an "OLD" version of software. You can't claim they don't update/upgrade software because they not upgrading an old version.

    2.) I would rather have authentication go through calls for the simple fact it limits access to a database. That database contains critical company information. Eliminating as many points of access to it as possible is very smart and realistic.

    This is not "Bad Programming" this is "Security Minded" Programming.

    3.) Complicated could easily be due to the fact that it is actually "Accounting" oriented and does more than any other software I know of on the market, especially when referencing actually Accounts Receivable Functions.

    WE ARE A BUSINESS - Yes, the hosting industry is a business. Yes, we use accounts, yes we have Accounts Receivables and being able to see proper reports and import PROPER General Ledger over to accounting software is a good thing.

    And it is your Opinion, because you have some people saying it's hard, other's saying it isn't as hard, others saying it doesn't work, others saying it does work.

    So it is Opinion and Personal Experience, not "FACT".


    Now, back to your first comment lets take a look at my first post shall we?

    Quote Originally Posted by XSI-Larry
    I use ModernBill and I have yet to find anything that actual reflects a True Accounting Atmosphere other than ModernBill.

    Please, point me to one that does.

    Personally we are, and will continue to use MB 5. I've yet to find a show stopping bug in the latest release.

    No, it doesn't have all perfect features yet, but everything does work.

    I don't have problems with support and have received help every time I have had to contact support.

    Realistically if you are after a Billing/Hosting Panel that you want the ability to handle thousands of clients ModernBill is a very reasonable option.

    In fact if you were to have an accountant look over ModernBill's system compared to various others you would find they would prefer ModernBill.

    The other difference is the way it does accounting in V5 allows very easy migration into various General Ledger database accounting systems, like MS Small Business Accounting, Cougar Mountain Accounting, and the thousands of others that use a standard general ledger accounting system.
    I never said anything about any other billing system. I contradicted a comment you made regarding the unreasonableness of the software for use.

    I explained some of it's better points. I never said it wasn't "Bug Free" I did say there were no "Show Stopping Bugs".

    So lets review who started this?

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    Lets get one thing straight, I don't have problems with ModernBill.
    No, you're just trying to shove it down everyone's throat as the end all and be all of everything. Get over it already.


    1.) Updating - They are not updating an "OLD" version of software. You can't claim they don't update/upgrade software because they not upgrading an old version.
    And just HOW many times do i have to say this before you actually listen?

    They were not updating CURRENT software at the time. I don't care if you have a "beta" version of anything, you do not refuse to update software because it's too complicated. You do not ever force anyone to run a beta version of software to get updates. That is absolutely, positively RIDICULOUS, and POOR PROGRAMMING on THEIR part.

    PHP 5.1 was declared stable in November of last year. There is NO excuse whatsoever to tell your clients "I'm sorry, but for the next 6-12 months, you MUST use a beta product". That's unacceptable, and yes, mb DID refuse to update their product multiple times.


    This is not "Bad Programming" this is "Security Minded" Programming.
    No, it's bad programming , period.
    Once you have access to the db (which you can get very easily), then you have full access to anything, so the excuse of "it limits access" is rather , well, it is ridiculous. I could write an application which would give me access to an MB db, and ONLY the encrypted stuff wouldn't be decypherable, which is (at last check) only the passwords.

    The only thing (currently that I'm aware of) that you can not draw directly from the db is password related. Unfortunately, this is also the most CRITICAL when dealing with user related applications.

    So lets review who started this?
    Who started this? That'd be you, by making the absolutely ridiculous and unfounded statement right here:
    Realistically if you are after a Billing/Hosting Panel that you want the ability to handle thousands of clients ModernBill is a very reasonable option.
    Modernbill is not a reasonable, or realistic option for a new customer at this time. There are too many problems, it is too complicated, and it is entirely unrealistic to expect a new user to take hours out of their day to setup this program, and integrate it into their website.
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    I finally have found a use for my ignore list again. YOUR OPINION IS THAT MODERNBILL IS NOT REASONABLE.

    THIS IS NOT FACT THIS IS OPINION!

    You can not prove that it is unreasonable if some people use it and it is reasonable to them.

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    I think you guys can quit now, the horse you're both beating is sufficiently dead.

  26. #26
    Well said cbt!

    Whether you are for or against Modernbill, constantly talking about the billing panel in the end does nothing. The solution obviously works, whether it works for your business operation is up to you to decide.
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