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11-30-2006, 04:46 AM #1Web Hosting Master
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Fully GREEN hosting? What do you think?
If you were a prospective client, would you consider a higher priced GREEN host vs the regular guys?
Lately I've been considering switching to a fully renewable power source for my servers such as www.bullfrogpower.ca
Do you think clients would recognize and appreciate the bennifits or only see the bottom line? As everyone knows, in this industry we need to come up with innovative solutions to the oversaturated surroundings. I've never seen a green host to this date unless I specifically searched for one.
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11-30-2006, 05:04 AM #2Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by Kdoubt
But It might be an intresting idea to trySnapya
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11-30-2006, 05:29 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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Interesting take. There would be a whole new market that would appeal to this sort of thing I think. People who usually make earth concious decisions are usually prepared to pay a higher price for quality & cleanliness. This doesnt mean profit margin goes up necessarily, but rather the cost of operations goes up so that you are able to give people what they want.
Support and servers would be no different.
I think I'm going to make the switch to green power. I just bought the domain GreenSite.ca... lets give it a crack.Kdoubt.net - Gameing discussion, arcade, all around good fun
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11-30-2006, 05:53 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Kdoubt
This also isn't completely green, because what about the materials you use (eg. servers, bandwidth, cabling, office supplies, etc.)? Just comes off as gimmicky IMHO.Myles Loosley-Millman - admin@prioritycolo.com
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11-30-2006, 06:06 AM #5Web Hosting Master
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I wouldnt go as far as to say "I'm going to use organic CAT6 cables and switches made of Sod"
I'm saying, that where possible why not use a renewable source for powering equiptment? There is little I can do to use "Organic" hard drives and server chasis.
I dont understand how you could fail to see any benefits. Are you aware how much power a full rack draws? You work for PriorityColo... Im sure you've got some numbers you can pull up
Do what you can, where you can. And I fail to NOT see any real benefits.Kdoubt.net - Gameing discussion, arcade, all around good fun
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11-30-2006, 06:11 AM #6Junior Guru Wannabe
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OMG, they stole my nickname
I agree it's too gimmicky and gimmicky isn't always good as a lot of people see right thought it. Unless you lie about things on your site there is probably no way you can convince people that you are more green than the rest. Lying is in no way good and could turn into a vicious cycle. I am completely honest with clients and never lie and they appreciate it a lot and respect me for it.The most effective way to host your site
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11-30-2006, 06:13 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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Well lieing aside. Lets pretend we actually use green power. Now what? Nobodys lieing. Its not gimmicky anymore?
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11-30-2006, 06:23 AM #8Disturbed
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I think its a great idea for a niche market. I would give it a go.
I think even if it was not that much more "greener" than a regular webhost, the tree huggers would go for it, because I think they are all crazy anyways(not saying anything bad about environmentally conscientious people, just tree huggers like PETA).
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11-30-2006, 06:28 AM #9Junior Guru Wannabe
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I still wouldn't buy into it, just my opinion.
Like I said, it seems to hard to convince people that you are in fact greener than the rest. I doubt it's worth the hassle.
But people do think in different ways and if you really think it could work, then go for it. If it doesn't cost you too much extra money to do it, then go for it. So if the money isn't an issue or there isn't much holding you back then there's no reason not do try it out. Would make for an interesting study if it works or doesn't and then figuring out why exactly and how it worked etc.
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11-30-2006, 06:36 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by bullfrog
Dont get me wrong, I know you're just playing devils advocateKdoubt.net - Gameing discussion, arcade, all around good fun
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11-30-2006, 06:42 AM #11Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by Kdoubt
Well please keep us up to date with how it works out.Snapya
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11-30-2006, 08:09 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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I shal, every step of the way!
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11-30-2006, 11:14 AM #13Junior Guru Wannabe
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I know its not fully green, but we are about to start planting a tree for every new client.
Costs about £4.50 per tree, but we are expecting the benefits to out weight the costs. Will keep you all posted on our progress....
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11-30-2006, 11:29 AM #14Junior Guru Wannabe
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Infact this thread just gave me another idea.... (Matt registers treehost.net)
Edit: It's not about going complety green, because lets face it thats just not possible in this industry at all! HOWEVER, what you can do is go about reducing your carbon footprint by putting back in to the environment what you are taking out....Last edited by PentekMatt; 11-30-2006 at 11:43 AM.
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11-30-2006, 02:22 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Make sure if you go with being a greener host, use AMD processors. They use less power to run and produce less heat.
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11-30-2006, 02:24 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Internet54Myles Loosley-Millman - admin@prioritycolo.com
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11-30-2006, 03:35 PM #17Aspiring Evangelist
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I remember seeing something about this on WHT before...I think the company was solarhost.com? They use solar panels for power I think.
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Matt, thats a great idea! Are you targeting any land in particular? Glad this thread spurred some interest. I just spoke with the datacenter, and without converting the whole datacenter to BullFrogPower it would be impossible. Im trying to think of alternatives.
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12-01-2006, 02:42 AM #19Web Hosting Master
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I've always colocated racks/servers and dont have any experience with something like a multiple T1 line(s). I've heard they're not very reliable? Does anyone have any experience with this? Its not really something that I can say "will this work from a marketing standpoint" because Im not really doing it that reason. Sure its a bonus, but the real purpose is cutting down on non renewable energy.
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12-01-2006, 02:51 AM #20Hey, whats your uptime ?
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As from what I have seen from the provided links that is more of a marceting gag.
If you would tell me you use only Opteron HE CPU versions to reduce the power from 90W to 65W that would be something I could recognize. Or use the mac mini or notebook sized servers to actually use much less power now THAT would be a benefit to the whole world.
But changing from one source to another is JUST shifting the power needed.
What do you do if your wind power plant stops at peak times - ever thought of that ? ;-)
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12-01-2006, 10:15 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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12-02-2006, 03:54 AM #22Evenly Divided
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12-03-2006, 01:08 AM #23Everything in life is swelly
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Hey hey hey, what's all this talk about Green Hosting? We love us some greener hosting!
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12-03-2006, 01:21 AM #24Junior Guru Wannabe
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Just my 2 cents... that sounds very cool and thoughtful. Oh, hmm.. exactly the opposite of what makes big hosting profits (false advertising and cramming customers on servers -- maybe they claim using fewer servers preserves energy? ;-) ).
If you're going to offer something like that, you may want to try to broaden your offerings. Allow others to colo in your data center, target other "earth-friendly" vendors/sites -- not too sure what else you can do. Unfortunately, many of these companies probably already have increased costs as well so they may not be able to afford more expensive hosting.
This certainly isn't the best way to get new customers, but doing what you think is right generally isn't the "best" way to make money... here in the good ole USA, you might instead lose customers for being so 'darned liberal'.
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12-03-2006, 01:58 AM #25Web Hosting Master
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I don't think they'd care...
Maybe if it was the same price they might look at it, but I doubt it'd change their mind much.