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12-02-2006, 05:54 AM #26Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by linuxreduxErica Douglass, Founder, Simpli Hosting, Inc.
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12-02-2006, 07:11 AM #27Web Hosting Master
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Both Dell and Supermicro are nice. Their failure rate is rougly equal, but Dell does give our customer peace of mind. Also, the Dell hold their value much better than supermicro counterparts. Even if the supermicro are able to resell for about the same value, their liquidity is still much less. Nowadays, a 2 year old 1750 dual xeon still sells for 1K. When we brought it new from Dell, it was below 2K...
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12-06-2006, 12:44 PM #28
I would assume the reason for the "appliance" is due to the SNMP polling that has to take place. That's to resource intensive to be located off site in a remote enviroment. Much easier to offer it as a hardware solution that sits in the DC it's servicing.
As for the Dell box. I'm all for it. It's much easier writing for a single platform, both hardware and software then trying to accomodate everyone's different preferences. If they fully support it, which they do, then it makes perfect sense and even gives me more confidence in the product knowing they're working on features and fixes for the product, not spending all their time on one customer's basterdized setup.
Alot of the complaints and concernes seem to stem from people who don't run datacenters. Cabinets and cages in Equinix or Switch and Data don't count. At this point this product is geared towards customers that can take a crap on the floor next to a rack and not get in trouble. (The true test of DC ownership) Once this product is in release I'm sure they will develop a version for smaller operations that addresses issues like not being able to afford the hardware or having some personal gripe against Dell.
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12-06-2006, 12:54 PM #29Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by WII-AaronJay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC // Co-Founder & CTO
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12-06-2006, 05:19 PM #31WHT Addict
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Originally Posted by Simpli-EricaThomas Brenneke | Network Redux, LLC | http://www.networkredux.com
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12-06-2006, 09:44 PM #32Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by linuxredux
Aside from all of that, it is patently disgusting that the list price on rails for the 6850 is $349. Talk about having blatant disrespect for your customers...Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC // Co-Founder & CTO
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12-06-2006, 09:58 PM #33WHT Addict
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Originally Posted by Jay Suds
Do you have any working familiarity with these systems and services, as well as how the premier page functions?Thomas Brenneke | Network Redux, LLC | http://www.networkredux.com
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12-06-2006, 10:26 PM #34Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by linuxredux
That being said, even with an account management team and premier access there still is a significant mark up on their higher end systems when compared to a build your own supermicro kit that is built using all off the shelf components. When you add in their gold support, etc ... the cost is really not even worth considering because we can build two for the price of one. Anything rack mount from Dell is roughly 20% more on the low end and up to 100% more on the high end after support + maintenance are factored in.
Now, I hope you are you ready for some games and fun. Dell PowerEdge SC440. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...c440-min&s=bsd. $499. The price on our premier page? $1086 for a system with LESS MEMORY.
You want some more fun? Dell PowerEdge 6850. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...6850sapp&s=bsd
2x Xeon 7110M
4GB RAM
Active ID Bezel
Rails
73GB 10K SCSI
Gold Support
NO Open Manage
NO Modem
NO RAID Controller
NO HBA Riser
TOTAL PRICE RETAIL: $8497
Dell Premier, same config: $10,348
Why am I going to price out something 4 different ways with Dell (retail, premier, and then ask my rep for a quote, and then ask him for another quote after the first one comes back higher than both web site pricing), when I can get parts at reasonable, fair and consistent prices and have them at my door in 3 business days or less for at cost shipping??? Tell me, why should I do it the Dell way?
Why should I waste hours a day/week to Dell with Dell, so I can pay more? Why should I wait hours for Dell to come fix my server, when I can build two systems for the price of one Dell system?Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC // Co-Founder & CTO
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12-06-2006, 11:02 PM #35WHT Addict
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Originally Posted by Jay Suds
With that info I can better answer your questions.Thomas Brenneke | Network Redux, LLC | http://www.networkredux.com
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12-06-2006, 11:09 PM #36WHT Addict
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To give you an idea, pricing out an MD1000 came to ~12,000 -- $6,900 via premier page.
I'm taking this to PM so we can discuss further details and perhaps help each other with info.
Thanks for the discussion.Thomas Brenneke | Network Redux, LLC | http://www.networkredux.com
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12-07-2006, 12:12 AM #37Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by linuxreduxJay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC // Co-Founder & CTO
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12-07-2006, 12:55 AM #38Workaholic
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Originally Posted by Jay Suds
There are providers that use exclusively Dell hardware, HP hardware, etc. and are receiving prices comparable to how much it might cost you to build a similar-spec SuperMicro server in addition to having Dell’s “support” behind the product. Whether or not you think the support is valuable or worthwhile is a whole different issue. With that being said, for the average company that isn’t purchasing servers/networking gear/etc. in large (relative) volumes, often a company like Dell simply will NOT be the cheapest/best solution and purchasing server parts from various online retailers and assembling a server yourself ends up being much cheaper.
I know someone who works financing for Dell, and believe me - they are very willing to slash “list” prices to get your business if they think you could be a valuable client. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it is how they do business, and it works for them.
Now, which servers are actually designed better, use less power, etc.? That is always an interesting (and irrelevant) discussion/debate.
Originally Posted by Simpli-Erica
I have used SuperMicro servers and I am a tremendous fan of their quality - but going with a bigger "brand" such as Dell/HP/IBM can also be used from a marketing standpoint. Like it or not, most people have never heard of "SuperMicro", but unless you live under a rock it is hard not to have heard of "Dell". Often, people will automatically assume that Dell/HP servers and equipment are of a much higher quality. Call those people idiots, wrong, whatever - that's fine, but they're still potential customers. Maybe your business model does not target those customers, and in that case, it doesn't matter.
There are clearly both advantages and disadvantages to using either Dell or building your own servers.
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12-07-2006, 01:15 AM #39WHT Addict
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Originally Posted by Brendan Diaz
Ultimately the argument towards list prices can't really be substantiated, I've never seen a customer, or directed a friend/colleague dell's way and had them pay list price for anything, and yes I realize "list" is merely a point of marketing and not necessarily a derivative of any meaningful value.
We always have our eyes peeled with IBM/HP, however for now, purchasing in quantity and using the resources Dell provides from customer service to Silver/Gold support has proven to be working well for our organization.
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Originally Posted by WII-Aaron
Running your own datacenter is not cost-effective in a metro area like NYC (where Voxel is) or San Jose (where we are). Also, I haven't seen any literature from UberSmith to indicate that this is the specific market they are targeting. Like Jay said, most companies running their own datacenters already have systems in place to handle all of this (custom-built, from what I can tell of the datacenter owners I've talked to.)Erica Douglass, Founder, Simpli Hosting, Inc.
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12-07-2006, 09:28 PM #42Backup Guru
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Originally Posted by bqinternetErica Douglass, Founder, Simpli Hosting, Inc.
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12-08-2006, 01:36 AM #44Backup Guru
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Originally Posted by Simpli-Erica
In New York City, it is not uncommon for multiple independent DCs to co-exist within the same building. For example, 111 8th Ave. contains datacenters for Switch and Data, Level 3, Sprint, Google, and a number of other companies. The typical NYC datacenter is usually contained within a floor of suite of a building, usually with the rest of the building used for multi-tenant office space.Scott Burns, President
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12-29-2006, 05:56 PM #45Aspiring Evangelist
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Originally Posted by Simpli-Erica
We put a lot of work into the space, and have our own support systems that we purchased (such as UPS, CRAC units etc etc).
Hope that clarifies things. Scott was pretty much spot on.Raj Dutt // CEO // Voxel dot Net Inc
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12-31-2006, 02:00 PM #46CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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DE looks really sweet but I can't justify paying four times as much as I pay now for Pro just to get a few more features.
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Originally Posted by IRCCo Jeff
Yeah, to say the least I was unimpressed with their pricing model and feature set. Instead we've decided to just extend the modernbill v4.x code base to meet all our needs.
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$1/mo/device is definitely costly. We actually have our own mashup between Ubersmith, Kayako and our own internal systems for asset management, ip tracking, etc. It works well enough...
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01-01-2007, 06:49 PM #49WHT Addict
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You can always create a lot of the DE functionality on your own and integrate it using their API. We were able to add Remote Reboot, Bandwidth Graphs, etc. to our user interface without any problems...
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At the DE product we went with FreeSide and adapted it for bandwidth graphs and billing. The integration was a little hard, but it is working great! We will have a howto up soon on how to do it.
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