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    * Do you have any experience of hosting FORUMS with Dreamhos and ******?

    I want to launch a new FORUM website, I am considering to host it with Dreamhost or ******.

    Do you have any experience of hosting FORUMS with them?

    My main concern is speed.

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    Both hosts are a popular subject on these forums so you can try for some immediate responces : )

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    I have a sort of forum at DreamHost. Fortunately, I don't have any speed issue.
    But the program is written by myself and highly optimized.
    Almost all forum pages are cached and served as static html data.
    So, CGI is working only when people post, edit or search (and when I do admin tasks).

    If you use one of popular but heavy PHP forums and if you have lots of users,
    you may encounter some problems (unless you do lots of optimization).

    I don't know well about ******.

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    dreamhost will probably be fine for you. You might be dissappointed with speed on both hosts. If you really care you can always get a dedicated server and highly optimize the backend software your forum runs on.
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    Thank you for fast responses.
    its relaunch of my forum, so expected traffic is:
    SMF Forum software
    20K+ posts( in backed database )
    3000+ users
    Avg user online at a time : 20
    Most user online : ~120 something

    This site was previously hosted on NETFIRMS. and they S****

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    In my case, I don't use MySQL data base, because that's where lots of badly written PHP apps can cause the slowness.

    I tend to think it's more of the lcuk to land on the right server (or cluster) with good neighbors.
    And I have been relatively lucky.

    Even with a "good" host, you may land on the server with a few abusing people,
    and you can have some issues until the host takes care of them (by moving them, shutting down their sites or scripts).
    A host like DreamHost is free and permissible, and it also means not very strict (nor quick) about controling abusers.
    On the other hand, you can be treated as an abuser (if you use heavy forum), and then you'd prefer a relaxed host rather than a host with very tight control.

    Also, you should check if you can optimize SMF, further.
    Go and ask their user forum to see if you can apply agressive caching on it, possibly removing some features.
    These efforts can make difference between staying on a cheap shared hosting or going to a lot more expensive solutions.

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    i would recommend a vps

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    The DH specs are good, I think:
    Disk Storage at signup - 200 GB
    Automatically Increases Weekly By: 1 GB
    Monthly Bandwidth at signup - 2 TB
    Automatically Increases Weekly By: 16 GB
    MySQL Databases - Unlimited
    Looks good to me!

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    May I ask what hosting, if any, WHT uses?

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    I wouldn't chance the site on a company that oversells to those degrees.
    I'd recommend doing a search for either company before pursuing them further!

    With a forum you're going to want decent speed to keep users around: If the forum is unusable they'll go somewhere else. With a static site that doesn't rely on mysql/php -- you'd be great on either host as only uptime would really matter.

    With a forum that's relying on a good database speed and overall server load: I would say go with a host that oversells to a lot less of a degree.
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    With a static site that doesn't rely on mysql/php -- you'd be great on either host as only uptime would really matter
    Are you saying that MySQL/any database isn't a good idea/doesn't matter for a forum/Joomla?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willdex
    Are you saying that MySQL/any database isn't a good idea/doesn't matter for a forum/Joomla?
    Read the next line :/

    With a forum that's relying on a good database speed and overall server load: I would say go with a host that oversells to a lot less of a degree.

    You'll want something smaller packagewise and from a host with a decent reputation.
    With those types of prices even using the amount they're offering is going to be next to impossible with a dynamic site (forum/joomla) so it's best to get something a bit more realistic.

    Note: My apologies for any earlier confusion! I'll admit my spew was a tad ambiguous.
    Last edited by David; 11-01-2006 at 05:14 PM.
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    a bit more realistic
    Any ideas? Y! was/still is very reputable, that's why I've signed up for that. G doesn't offer web-hosting yet, but I'd go for that. DreamHost seems fine...It's all a matter of testing.

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    Here's the most recent review I can find on dreamhost that contains the word forum:

    http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread...orum+dreamhost
    David
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willdex
    May I ask what hosting, if any, WHT uses?
    WHT has dedicated box(es?) over at RackSpace...

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    1. With a forum, expecting to pay $1 per GB of data transfer used (or as close to it as possible) is not a bad idea.
    2. Hosting, even at that level, is cheap.
    3. Make the forum sustain itself (ads are the more common choice).
    4. If forum users don't want ads on a forum they use for no fee, they're unreasonable. Focus on the reasonable ones.
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    My main concern is speed.
    If you want a fast car you don't look for the cheapest car on the market. Price is always important, but if you make it the ultimate criterion, adjust the expectations, and if the service/product turns out to be better than expected, take that as bonus.
    Last edited by ldcdc; 11-01-2006 at 06:19 PM.

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    Thank you for that great piece of advice ldcdc.
    I was not using ads, just bcoz it was a new community.

    I have searched all over, and made two finalists DREAMHOST and ******
    DREAMHOST's has no live presentative to chat with,
    But I managed to catch one @ ******, and I think I will go with ******. The deal is :
    100 GB/1000GB
    upto 6 websites ( good for TESTING websites )

    for $96 via PAYPAL(+point) for 30 months hosting ($3.20/month)

    Please Do tell me If I am making a mistake, I dont want to loose my site again.

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    Please Do tell me If I am making a mistake, I dont want to loose my site again.
    It's not up to me/us to decide, but up to you. Just kep in mind that, ss can be derived from my previous post, you won't be able to push anywhere close to 1TB of data transfer with a forum, off a shared hosting account.

    I highly recommend you to use http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php and search for the name of any company you're considering using, and carefully read the reviews you find about them. If the results are too numerous, choose the "Search titles only" option to get to the more meaningful threads.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivsin
    I want to launch a new FORUM website, I am considering to host it with Dreamhost or ******.

    Do you have any experience of hosting FORUMS with them?

    My main concern is speed.
    If you wanna host a forum then don't host on dreamhost or ******.
    Reasons behind it are:
    # They will restrict you in terms of resources.
    # They will restrict you in terms of per day data transfer, hits.
    # They even keep the records of per day, per hour, per week hits, traffic, pages view and data transfer and they will restrict you from it.
    # They are clustered servers which is very very bad for SEO

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivsin
    Thank you for fast responses.
    its relaunch of my forum, so expected traffic is:
    SMF Forum software
    20K+ posts( in backed database )
    3000+ users
    Avg user online at a time : 20
    Most user online : ~120 something

    This site was previously hosted on NETFIRMS. and they S****
    With a PHP forum peaking at 120 users online your resource usage is likely to be more than any $10 shared host will tolerate. A low-end VPS would also have problems. What was wrong with Netfirms? Did they tell you that you need a dedicated server?

    Whoever you go with, keep good, regular backups - I have a feeling you're going to need them.
    Chris

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    Oh my GOD, Thanks to ldcdc for advising search features.
    I cant find a single happy man who is using ******.

    I am lost, I know what to do, where to go.

    @ foobic:
    Here are the problems I faced with NF
    - they closed my account just after a week of purchas bcoz my IP addresses used to Make the payment and Login into control panel were different. ( no problem, they want to avoid fraud )
    At this time I was cool with it ( they converted my paid account into a free account with 25MB total space ) My site was safe.
    - After this I talked to them ( they suck in support area too ), There responses were Useless, after 100 mins on phone I made them understand that My developer lives in different country so IP problem will always be there. they said its ok.

    - 2 months later when I got 10K paid posts on my website it was down again for same problem (account was instantly converted into FREE account with 25 MB), I talked to them, they said sorry, BUT DATABASE was missing.

    - A lot of boom bang on phone afterthat, but no result.

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    With an average of 20 users and a maximum of ~120 on at the same time you should start by looking at a VPS and then possibly aim at a dedicated server.

    You should not under any circumstances go with a shared solution for a forum with the requirements listed above.

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    What minimum configuration (for now, as they can be upgraded later once site is properly up again) I should use for VPS to host my forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivsin
    What minimum configuration (for now, as they can be upgraded later once site is properly up again) I should use for VPS to host my forum?
    If you use the cPanel control panel you should look at min. 512MB RAM.

    The servers what the VPS will be hosted on should be dual core/dual CPU.
    Recommended: Stablehost, Hivelocity, Fused

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    Look what I've found: http://www.dreamhost-sucks.com/

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    512 MB isn't necessary, you can get by with a starting memory of 384 MB - even 256 MB of memory will work.

    ...and if I were you - I'd also stay away from cPanel, if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik
    512 MB isn't necessary, you can get by with a starting memory of 384 MB - even 256 MB of memory will work.

    ...and if I were you - I'd also stay away from cPanel, if possible.
    Then how to manage everuhing?
    means different websites there stats?

    I have no idea about VPS
    but i think KnownHost has good reviews and pricing

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    Hey, guys, I'm sorry if I'm a little bit off the topic, but has anyone used any coupons recently/knows how to use them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivsin
    Then how to manage everuhing?
    means different websites there stats?

    I have no idea about VPS
    but i think KnownHost has good reviews and pricing
    cPanel is a little heavy on memory, you'd need 512MB if you choose to use cPanel.
    I believe you might be able to cut down VPS pricing if you choose unmanaged.
    But you'll need some form of management - so if the hosts management costs more than $29 per month, choose an unmanaged option, and signup with www.platinumservermanagement.com for your management - but you'll have to use /meet their supported list of OS's control panels etc.

    Off the top of my head you're looking at $30 - $45 a month.

    Have a look at www.jaguarpc.com and do a search of them here using the search function.
    Recommended: Stablehost, Hivelocity, Fused

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    but has anyone used any coupons recently/knows how to use them
    You just enter the coupon code during the signup process. There should be a special field for this.

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    You just enter the coupon code during the signup process.
    How would I know if this coupon is still in effect? It's like a 97-dollar coupon...

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    I'll be posting my experience/talk with DreamHost pretty soon...just waiting for the response from them. I have quiet a few questions to ask them.

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    ****** is bad. Id take any host over them anyday. Expect lycos, they were my first.

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    ****** is bad
    I can't say if they're BAD, but they certainly look too good to be true:
    Host up to 7 domains on 1 Account
    Unlimited E-mail and Web mail Accounts
    Unlimited MySQL Databases
    Free DomainPrivacyGuard™
    Free Easy Site Builder with Templates
    Free Video Publishing Software
    Free Blogging Software
    Free Photo Album Software
    Free Yahoo! Search Marketing Credit
    Free Shopping Cart, SSL and Stats
    Supports FTP, PHP, Perl
    2000/2002/2003 FrontPage® Extensions
    World-class 24/7/365 Customer Support
    1-Year Money-Back Guarantee

    It's just too much of this free stuff. And a 1-year money back thing...I'm a little skeptical. I don't want to be next victim of one of those companies [you know what I mean].

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    From last few days I was wondering that, if these hosts are really bad? or people expect too much from them?

    Here is why:
    - Space and BW they provide is too much, and this thing create confusion that this space can be utilized to host big FORUMS or video upload site ( Recourse hungry )
    But everyone ignores that processing speed is limited, so we get few new bad reviews.

    - When you host your website with small hosting services, they can provide better support(technical), but one just cant expect same from these big companies bcoz of there huge client database they have to handle.

    I think these companies are not that bad if you keep your EXPECTATIONS low,
    I mean your expectations should be based upon the MONEY you are investing, its just like buying a laptop, for same price, DELL offers better configuration then IBM, but IBM is IBM.

    I think I made my point clear.

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    From last few days I was wondering that, if these hosts are really bad? or people expect too much from them?
    The second part, if true (and I think it's pretty easy to see why it can be), might render the first part true. People with busy sites will hop from cheap host to cheap host, never being able to up their budget to the right level and get a suited service, hoping that one of these hosts has really found the Holy Grail of hosting. In the process, they overload server after server after server, ruining the overall level of service of the hosts. (one overloaded server = hundreds of upset customers). Really, it's all just one huge conspiracy.

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    The cheap hosts are much better than some of regular poster try to present.
    Last several years, I have been using cheap hosts, which got the share of bashing from people WITHOUT firsthand experiences, saying it's oversold, overloaded, and so on.

    Actually, ANY host can be overloaded by ONE abuser.
    Some hosts react rapidly to control the situation, while others are slower or not capable of controling correctly.
    It doesn't depends on the price nor the size of the host, but the attitude and each employee of the host.

    Before to make final decision about using VPS, I would try a few of cheap hosts (andmaybe not so cheap hosts).
    Some of them offer lots of resources for less, because they are big and they are competitive.
    (Some of them can be bad bad host, just like some of smaller hosts spamming in WHT and other places.)

    As most of them offer money back guarantee, see what happens, for at least a few weeks.
    If one of them can handle your site, you can save lots of money and headaches of managing VPS, as shared hosting is much cheaper and easier, generally.
    If none of these good el cheap hosts can support your site, then, you really need something like rather expensive VPS, low cost dedicated server, or more expensive shared hosting geared for higher traffic sites.


    Only if you need/want the host to give support to your scripting/debugging, then you need to go smaller hosts, as most larger host wouldn't do that.
    But it's not the job of webhost, IMO.
    Some smaller hosts do that occasionally because they don't like to say "no" or they are too nice or otherwise they can't compete with larger hosts.
    (But it doesn't mean thay are fully capable of actually correcting the problem, though.... Technical ability of smaller host can be pretty low.)

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    I think my decision of leaving netfirms was a bad decision, they are best among the worst.

    Look what have i found:
    http://www.netfirms.com/enterprise/index.html

    Something like fully managed dedicated, and best part is they have different support team to manage enterprize clients.

    I am going with them again, just contacted them asking that if they will provide any support in moving my server.

    Lets see.

    My first experience with them was bad but i think I became too panic to handle that situation, there was no issue with performence, but there money back guarantee was about to expire so I made the shorty decision to pack up, even i was expecting too much from them i think.

    So finally going to buy one STANDARD plan($10) and one enterprise plan($49)
    I just want to keep my business sites away from commercial ones, so two plans are better for me.

    I keep forget to say thank to every MEMBER here, nice community, helping people.

    so here it is THANK YOU EVERYONE.

    - VIVSIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivsin
    they are best among the worst
    Well said.

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    I'm curious about netfirms, as they have redundant server setup.
    Please let us know of your experiences at the both levels of their hosting plan, later.

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