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    Qwest or Level3

    From my pings, Qwest avg = 225ms , Level3 = 241ms

    From my download test speed, Qwest avg = 350kb/s , Level3 = 150kb/s

    Isn't Level3 suppose to have better 'specs' ?

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    Both of these networks are so large, that you need to give where you are going where the IP is located and where you are downloading from. Every network has its strengths and weaknesses.

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    There are a thousand other factors:

    1. How big of connection to qwest/l3 does this provider have (affects download speed)

    2. How congested are their pipes to qwest/l3 (affects download speed)

    3. Your isp's peering/transit arrangements (if they peer with l3/qwest or buy transit from one or the other it can affect ping latency drastically).

    etc.

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    This should help you decide.

    The top ten networks defined by number of peers
    Rank Peers ASN Description
    1 2,402 701 UUNET Technologies, Inc.
    2 2,025 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services
    3 1,720 1239 Sprint
    4 1,302 3356 Level 3 Communications, LLC
    5 1,210 174 Cogent Communications
    6 1,176 209 Qwest
    7 739 3549 Global Crossing
    8 715 4323 Time Warner Telecom, Inc.
    9 701 6461 Abovenet Communications, Inc
    10 655 7132 SBC Internet Services
    Jay

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by jayglate
    This should help you decide.

    The top ten networks defined by number of peers
    Rank Peers ASN Description
    1 2,402 701 UUNET Technologies, Inc.
    2 2,025 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services
    3 1,720 1239 Sprint
    4 1,302 3356 Level 3 Communications, LLC
    5 1,210 174 Cogent Communications
    6 1,176 209 Qwest
    7 739 3549 Global Crossing
    8 715 4323 Time Warner Telecom, Inc.
    9 701 6461 Abovenet Communications, Inc
    10 655 7132 SBC Internet Services
    How does that help anyone decide? Hurricane Electric has massive amounts of peering does that mean they are good? Does that mean according to that Cogent is better than Global Crossing? Remember some providers have better peering in locations then others....

    Number of peers is just one of hundreds of factors when deciding transit providers...

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    Do you see HE on that list? which means qwest as at least double if not more peering sessions than HE. But if he is comparing two large providers such as L3 and Qwest, if all other things are equal this should play a factor in your decisions.
    Jay

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayglate
    Do you see HE on that list? which means qwest as at least double if not more peering sessions than HE. But if he is comparing two large providers such as L3 and Qwest, if all other things are equal this should play a factor in your decisions.
    Um HE was on that list at one point, here is their press release:

    http://www.he.net/releases/release103.html

    I also see SBC/ATT on that list which is now one network.

    Yes it should play a factor but it should play a very small factor. If you are in Chicago you can find Tier-2 providers with much better connectivity/peering then many Tier-1's.

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    If they are in an Nlayer pop I would go with Nlayer hands down.

    Also I don't believe SBC/ATT is one network yet. Soon, but not yet.
    Jay

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    Also keep in mind that once Level3 integrates all of their recent acquisitions, they will be significantly higher in that list.
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    higher yes. But have anyone thought about the increase in bandwidth usage andsome other factors, thus causing lower download rate and higher ping time? o.O

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    Quote Originally Posted by qps
    Also keep in mind that once Level3 integrates all of their recent acquisitions, they will be significantly higher in that list.

    Doubtful, the only acquisition which had any peering usefulness was broadwing and that is at a minimal, they bought them for their LD business and not their IP. telcove and looking glass are all LD, fiber providers and not bw providers where they will have a large amount of peering to add if any.
    Jay

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    Their peer list could easily go up by 30% (probably more) after you take out duplication -- I think that's significant.

    The old WilTel is not fully integrated - there are still 225 peers on 7911.

    TelCove has 203 peers on 19094.

    Progress has 33 peers on 19962.

    Broadwing has 373 peers on 6395.
    Last edited by qps; 10-30-2006 at 02:10 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qps
    Their peer list could easily go up by 30% (probably more) after you take out duplication -- I think that's significant.

    The old WilTel is not fully integrated - there are still 225 peers on 7911.

    TelCove has 203 peers on 19094.

    Progress has 33 peers on 19962.

    Broadwing has 373 peers on 6395.

    I would venture 99% of them are duplicates and telcove peers I would say are worthless since they only sold t1/t3 to business customers.
    Jay

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    Sure, there may be a few companies that have connections to Level3 plus one of their recent acquisitions, but 99% of them? I don't think so.
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