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10-28-2006, 09:34 AM #1Web Hosting Master
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Domains idea stolen - Real time idea theft - Very Very Wrong!!!
Hello,
I want to share with you a troublesome experience that happened to me twice this week.
3 days ago, on October 25th, a customer asked me to register an add-on domain for him. Namely: cleoweb.net The domain was free and the order confirmed. A couple hours later, the customer sent a Paypal and I tried to register the domain name. It was TAKEN. The domain was registred the minute I searched to it. From the Whois:
Domain Name: CLEOWEB.NET
Registrar: BELGIUMDOMAINS, LLC
Whois Server: whois.belgiumdomains.com
Referral URL: http://www.belgiumdomains.com
Name Server: NS-1.ORDERBOX-PARKING.COM
Name Server: NS-2.ORDERBOX-PARKING.COM
Name Server: NS-3.ORDERBOX-PARKING.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 25-oct-2006
Creation Date: 25-oct-2006
Expiration Date: 25-oct-2007
Yesterday, I searched for another domain name for another customer: linuxez.com Guess what? the very moment I tried to register it, I was told that this domain is not available! I searched on various registars, no Whois records where available still but the domain was indiacted as freshly registred. This morning, the Whois records were updated and indicate:
Domain Name: LINUXEZ.COM
Registrar: NAMEKING.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.nameking.com
Referral URL: http://www.nameking.com
Name Server: NS1.MALTUZI.COM
Name Server: NS11.MALTUZI.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 27-oct-2006
Creation Date: 27-oct-2006
Expiration Date: 27-oct-2007
Yes, the registar indicated the domain as taken because my search action generated the very registration of this domain name by a third party. I discussed the issue with my associates and it has been believed that some registars redirect their prospective customers searches results to a third party that uses a human or an automated system to register these domains if they looks intersting.
I am taking the matter very seriously. Please share your experience.Enterprise Consultant
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10-28-2006, 09:40 AM #2
Where were you searching for the domain availability for the client originally?
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10-28-2006, 09:49 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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10-28-2006, 10:02 AM #4Aspiring Evangelist
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Believe it or not I have experienced this too more than once. Do a search at 1 registrar (because they have a better search tool) and when we try to register at the registrar that we use <POOF!> it's registered and gone. All in a matter of minutes.
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10-28-2006, 12:17 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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This was covered many times already. Just use either registry's own whois server or linux shell. NEVER EVER a registrar!!!
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10-28-2006, 12:26 PM #6CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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Use command line 'whois'
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10-28-2006, 12:29 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by IRCCo JeffRespect My Authoritah! - Eric Cartman (a friend of mine).
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10-28-2006, 03:37 PM #8Junior Guru Wannabe
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From what site are you doing the whois from?
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10-28-2006, 04:15 PM #9Away
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I believe a number of people have also taken a likeing to www.iwhois.com
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10-28-2006, 11:51 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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If you see a vacant parking slot, do you expect it to remain that way if you decide
not to take it on the spot and come back later?
Is there such a thing as idea theft? Who decides who has exclusivity to an idea?
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10-29-2006, 12:25 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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i always check by whois.sc... never had any such problem ... few domain vr worth instant registration
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10-29-2006, 04:12 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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The second domain name was stollen during the registration process. Yes, I can check from a server command line if a domain name is free or not, but I cannot register it from there.
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10-29-2006, 04:35 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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This is absolutely strange! Did you contact Directi / Reseller club support and discuss this? If both of the times you checked the domain on their domain whois lookup and domains were gone then I am sure they should have some explanation about this.
We usually use whois.sc / viewwhois.com / xwhois.com and havent faced any such issue so far.█ IndoUS Hosting Quality IT Services since 2004
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10-29-2006, 04:52 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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I always use
That win32 whois client avalible at
http://www.geektools.com/tools.php
No problems so farI could tell you a joke about UDP. But I'm not sure you would get it!
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10-29-2006, 07:37 AM #15
A great tool is Sam spade for Windows. Lots of tools, right on your own 'puter.
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10-29-2006, 11:26 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by edelweisshosting
was stolen if it wasn't registered to you in the first place.
Unless the provider you looked up has some kind of privacy policy addressing this
specific concern, then they're pretty much free to do anything with the data that is
being fed to them as they see fit. If anything, you shouldn't use their service next
time to check for domain availability.
Nowadays there is no realistic expectation that what it is you want won't be there
for you if you don't take it on the spot for whatever reason. As some people in the
US put it, you snooze you lose.
I know some of you don't like what I posted here. But I'm being realistic.
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10-29-2006, 02:11 PM #17Retired Moderator
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Yes this has been an issue for a very long time, can't really trust some places because a lot of information IS mined AND sold.
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10-30-2006, 11:42 AM #18Web Hosting Guru
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snooze you lose, you should register them as fast as possible
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10-30-2006, 01:34 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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The second domain was stolen during the registration process. I mean, that some registars redirect the searches to a real time analysis system. If you try to register an intersting domain, it is immediatly catched no matter how fast you are. Before you arrive to the payment or to the DNS form, the domain name has gone.
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10-30-2006, 04:34 PM #20Retired Moderator
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Care to name the registrar that did this so otehrs can avoid similar issues?
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10-30-2006, 04:41 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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This is why I always use whois.sc, I have never had such a problem with them.
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10-30-2006, 05:50 PM #22Retired Moderator
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edelweisshosting,
I am sorry to hear that, but it is not the first time I hear it. It is not ethical, but I doubt one can do anything regarding that.
The domain name will be registered and if it does not receive the traffic, I assume 98% it will be dropped within 4 days, so I would advise to keep your eye on it.Imagination is more important than knowledge.
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10-30-2006, 07:10 PM #23ThirtySx Bits Forever!
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I have seen this happen quite often in the last year or so. It isn't limited to one site's lookup either.
"Obsolesence is just a lack of imagination."
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10-30-2006, 08:36 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by WN-AliSignature Under Construction.
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01-13-2007, 06:59 AM #25Junior Guru
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Originally Posted by bear
Originally Posted by maxo
But why do you doubt one can do anything regarding that?
Did someone tried to report this to NameKing or ICANN?