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Old 10-01-2006, 02:57 PM
RB Darr RB Darr is offline
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VPS Overselling


Disk Space: XXXXX
Minimum RAM: XXXXXXX, burstable to: XXXXXX
Bandwidth: XXXXX, burstable to: XXXXXX
Maximum VPS per server: XXX

Don't believe what you read, it's possible to oversell with a CPanel reseller package and it's also possible to oversell VPS packages.

Get 25 VPSs on a server guaranteeing each 20% of the server resources and something is wrong.

I just signed-up for a VPS package that was placed on a server that was out of resources.

I was supposed to get 25GB, min - half a GB of RAM, 750M min CPU etc. etc.

What I got was a control panel indicating I had only 16GB of disk space and when I put in a ticked I got a reply "It's been fixed".

Sure enough, on the panel it was increased but shelling the OS and querying there clearly indicated that this was not the case.

A quick program to test available RAM and excecution speed indicated that my VPS had only a fraction of the resources guaranteed as minimum.

DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ... TEST IT!

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Everyone here is looking for the same thing as me, a reliable VPS host.
Only, far too many are finding out the hard way that they have been mislead into believing that just because you get root access you get your own server.

On a VPS you are expected to take care of it yourself. If something goes wrong, they say it's your fault and charge you to fix it.

No php modules are installed on most LAMP set-ups.
If you are planning on running spamassasin, you better have a GB of RAM because it's a resource hog. So on VPS packages it's disabled by default.

imagemagic, gdilib, etc... nope, install them yourself and if you screw-up, we'll charge you to fix it.

- - - It's like a ZERO MAINTENANCE PLAN for hosting providers.. the best thing since sliced cheese.

If you look around you will see good server plans available for prices as low as $69.00 (even from RackSpace where this site is hosted).

So I ask you.. why pay $50.00/mo for what they tell you is 5% of a server and turns out to be .05% when you are just as responsible as if it was a dediceted server for anything that goes wrong.

VPS packages are not offering more for the buyer at a lower price. They are offering more for the seller at less maintenance cost..

Read the Virtuozzo literature and tell me.. who is this good for.

- RB Darr



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Old 10-01-2006, 03:04 PM
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What VPS provider screw you ?

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Old 10-01-2006, 03:04 PM
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That's pretty much what a VPS is. Overselling is common in both shared and VPS providers. If you don't like it, you may try a Xen provider (though they can still oversell bandwidth etc...) or go dedicated.

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Old 10-01-2006, 03:09 PM
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This is why we chose the xen platform, with xen you can't sell what you don't have.

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Old 10-01-2006, 03:22 PM
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With Xen - it is impossible to oversell. Try looking for a Xen VPS provider.

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Old 10-01-2006, 03:45 PM
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You exZEN. have no backbone.

Up to and over 100ms ping from the largest pipe in Canada.

As you say, you can't sell what you don't have.
And in your case I would say that is "Bandwidth".

- RB Darr

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Old 10-01-2006, 03:46 PM
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If you are not getting what you payed for just request a refund and create a review about it.

If the host didn't guarantee space, bandwidth, memory and CPU you are using a shared plan inside a virtualized environment and not a real VPS...

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Old 10-01-2006, 04:03 PM
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You are the only one to have commented on our network...

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Old 10-01-2006, 04:19 PM
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I was on my blackberry so i was unable to run a ping for my previous post, here are the results from dnsstuff.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ping.ch?ip=72.232.124.122

Pinging 72.232.124.122 [72.232.124.122]:

Ping #1: Got reply from 72.232.124.122 in 35ms [TTL=51]
Ping #2: Got reply from 72.232.124.122 in 35ms [TTL=51]
Ping #3: Got reply from 72.232.124.122 in 35ms [TTL=51]
Ping #4: Got reply from 72.232.124.122 in 35ms [TTL=51]


Variation: 0.6ms (+/- 1%)

Shortest Time: 35ms
Average: 35ms
Longest Time: 35ms

Done pinging 72.232.124.122!

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Old 10-01-2006, 04:24 PM
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Why should I have to sign-up with every VPS provider that promises the world and delivers nothing. Only to request a refund (in the hopes that I get it) and look elsewhere?

If you have an offer, set it up.
Let me put it through the paces and see what I am about to buy.

I will report my findings back here and if what you claim is true, you should do quite well in new sign-ups.
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Anyone who can provide me with 20+GB, half a GB of RAM and unclamped bandwidth to 750GB+ (forget 1.5 unmetered) for under $79.00/mo us is welcome to demonstrate their capabilities.

I will put your VPS through the paces (I am a network engineer) and report back my findings.

I will even sign-up, as will a lot of people on this board if you can prove it.

- RB Darr

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Old 10-01-2006, 04:35 PM
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20GB+ diskspace and unclamped bandwidth of 750GB+? It would seem that dedicated server would fit your needs better.

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Old 10-02-2006, 12:59 AM
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I agree

Yep, I thought that even if someone did take me up on that offer they would put me on a lightly loaded server while I tested it and load it up later.

If you think that a VPS is a step-up from a reseller you should think again. At the most it's a very small step forward and 2 steps back on support.

Dedicated server time for me.

Thanks all for your replies.

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Old 10-02-2006, 02:16 AM
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I would say you just wound up with a bad provider or with a provider that is offering everything for nothing. Not all VPS providers are bad. Over time we have used several VPS providers for test installations and modifications prior to taking changes to the live servers. I can honestly say we used:
PowerVPS
Spry
GoDaddy
TekTonic
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It took us a long time to find someone who wasn't limiting us to the point of causing the load to sit at 5+ just serving simple pages. Out of all of those, the only provider we were happy with in the performance sense was Spry and TekTonic. I won't go so far to say we were happy with TekTonic's support but they provided exactly what they offered. I don't think any of the experiences we went through I actually regret. At least now I know what it feels like to be on the crappy end of a VPS setup. We hope we can keep our customers from experiencing that pain. I would suggest not completely ruling out VPS' because if you find one that fits, it will provide you with excellent service and is the closest thing to dedicated you will get.

Be it OpenVZ or Xen -- Both are excellent in my opinion. It is true that you can't oversell Xen so that maybe a safer bet with you. Although, most established providers that care about their customers will take the time to notice that you are definitely not getting what you are paying for. Have you submitted a trouble ticket with the company and asked why the specs are different than what you ordered?


Funny I tried that LT test IP from my box at ThePlanet:
root@ns1 [~]# ping 72.232.124.122
PING 72.232.124.122 (72.232.124.122) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=2.21 ms
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=2.07 ms
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=2.21 ms
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=2.35 ms
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=2.14 ms
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=2.16 ms
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=6 ttl=53 time=2.19 ms
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=7 ttl=53 time=2.09 ms
64 bytes from 72.232.124.122: icmp_seq=8 ttl=53 time=2.24 ms

Must be the same datacenter.

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Old 10-02-2006, 03:10 AM
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Yeah, he had emailed me some other results as well, this has been the only time the LT Databank network has been stated to be slow since ive been using it.

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Old 10-02-2006, 03:21 AM
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Good advice

Hey, they moved me to a new server..

I guess the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I'll run some CPU/RAM/Bandwidth tests and see how it goes.

RB

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