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  1. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by UH-Matt
    ... but if disk space and performance are the only two (very week) arguments they have managed to come up with then Ensim is a winner

    Actually it was Nick's third argument that seemed the most worrying, at least to a person not entirely knowledgeable on matters of Linux chroot

    Linux chroot() isn't secure anyways. Once you obtain root in the chroot you can easily get out anyways.

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    Yep - if your not knowledgeable and something worries you, you should read up on it or ask your host, rather than trust what someone who doesnt use the system says

  3. #108
    Good point, but sometimes it is better to leave such discussions to the experts and listen to their recommendations. I would certainly be happy to receive more input from the WHT community, preferably with some argumentation

    Based on vulnerability statistics, Ensim's security appears to be superior, but it is still not perfect. Didn't Ensim Pro have a privilege escalation vulnerability not that far ago? This is where I like the idea shared by many that when security is truly your #1 priority and you do not worry about disk storage, performance and higher costs in general, complete virtualization would seem like a less half-done solution.

  4. #109
    Just wanted to express my opinion on this interesting matter

    I've been using Cpanel for the longest time and Plesk recently.

    When it comes to security for control panels, I think all control panels are really "technically equilvalent". My reasoning behind that is, usually the most used software will be the one that is exploited and therefore causing security issues. There has been long discussions that Microsoft Windows is insecure versus Linux. I don't believe that is a valid comparison, look at the number of users of Windows vs Linux and then you will see why there are security flaws. Is because things are commonly used therefore people find ways to exploit openings. Just like Cpanel vs Plesk,Ensim,Helm, DAdmin, etc ,etc. Cpanel definitely is the most used control panel and probably has the most "known" security issues. But thats mainly because it is most used. If Plesk was the most used control panel out there, I am sure it would be rated the worst control panel for security as well. Same applies with the Windows vs Linux example. If the entire world was using Linux, I am sure more security exploits would be found over Windows.
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    That reminds me its kind of like virus scanning programs. Norton/mcafee vs. the unknown scanners....

  6. #111
    Just wanted to give my two cents.

    cPanel has been my favorite control panel for quite some time now. Haven't had the problems you've mentioned, so I'm reluctant to letting it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IT_Architect
    The licensing looks like a 1-time $4.50 per domain, and that is reusable for the next domain?

    What about parking domains, e-mail only domains, do they take a license?

    What about system-wide, server-wide, and domain-wide off-site backup and restore? How easy is that?

    How easy is it to do software upgrades like PHP and Apache without making problem for the control panel?

    Do they have anything like Installatron?
    1. Actually, it's 1 license = 1 customer. That customer (license) can hold an infinite ammount of domains under it (unless the plan dictates otherwise) and it is reusable should that customer cancel. You can also get cheaper pricing going through an authorized reseller of them.

    2. Unless they are in their own end-user account, no.

    3. Backups are very easy - you can set up an rsync (or other script of your choice) to automatically backup the data at whatever interval you would like. You can also use a commercial solution if you choose.

    4. Psoft generally won't support custom installs like that. However, it's not *too* difficult to custom compile PHP (just needs the installation of a few packages before hand).

    5. Yes - it's called EasyApps.
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    Thanks TONS! for those answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IT_Architect
    Thanks TONS! for those answers.
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    You can run H-Sphere on a single server without issue, however, you may not want to run it on a VPS - the CP service is a little too heavy for most VPS situations.
    However, from what I'm now reading, the control panel service runs on only one server instead of on each server, is that correct or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IT_Architect
    However, from what I'm now reading, the control panel service runs on only one server instead of on each server, is that correct or no?
    That is correct. However, the CP server itself can cluster if it has to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mripguru
    That is correct. However, the CP server itself can cluster if it has to.
    The control panel can be clustered meaning that it doesn't cost more than the additional install fee and it is automatic where you don't need to put in place your own measures to synchronize databases?

    If you cluster other servers, such as e-mail or simply hosting servers, you do pay additional license fees or not, since it is licensed per user?

    Please correct any mis perceptions:
    - H-Sphere is account based similar to ModernBill. For that reason, you won't be using it to sell domains apart from hosting accounts because of the cost.
    - To support the smooth scaling and roll-outs, you need to stick pretty much with the stock configuration.
    - It COULD work fine with VPSs, such as Virtuozzo, as long as they are not running the control panel process and they are running a compatible operating system. However, the problem with VPSs is if you allow people to install things that mess up H-Sphere's management of the server. If you don't allow them to do this, then it takes away the main advantage of a VPS.
    - I'm guessing that the accounts and billing are as automatic as packages such as AWBS or ModernBill.
    Last edited by IT_Architect; 10-03-2006 at 03:22 PM.

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