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    Question SATA / IDE...both?

    Time for me to build a new system here (buzzing, noisy Dell is driving me nuts!), and I'm not up on SATA, processors and good mobos. Been years since I built one, and could use some advice.

    I have 2 IDE drives in my current system, and would like to at least get the data to the new drives, but would prefer to install 2 new SATA's and these as well in the same box (primarily using the SATAs for daily work and the others as storage and backups). This would mean I'd have 2 SATA, 2 IDE and 2 optical drives (on the secondary IDE channel). Is this feasable, or even possible? Perhaps the IDEs could be added as additional SATAs by using adapters I've been seeing? Mobo has maybe 2 connectors for SATA...but isn't SATA able to have more than one on a cable (serial)? Isn't that what the "S" in SATA means?
    How to get the SATA drive to be seen as the boot drive?
    *bleh*...confused....

    Second:
    Mobos. Can't decide what a good one is any more, but I've always had luck with ASUS. I need ATX form factor (12x9), must have an AGP slot for my graphics card, and as many PCI (not express) as possible (since I have all PCI cards, and they don't fit in PCI-E slots, or so I'm told). Was looking at this one, since it's listed as compatible with the processor I was eyeing:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131023

    Third:
    Processors. Can't decide, but want something fast, probably dual core would be a good idea at this point. Been looking at this one from NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116255
    Thoughts?

    Case:
    Sonata II. Have one of these for a previous build, and like it pretty much. Quiet is the best part of it, and it's currently on sale for like $90. Anything good and *really* quiet in that range that you like? Is this a decent case?

    If anyone has input on this, it would be appreciated. With my current choices (and 2GB DDR RAM), I'm at about $500. Adding two SATA drives would only add about $100 or so, and that's about the end of the budget for this job...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bear
    Time for me to build a new system here (buzzing, noisy Dell is driving me nuts!), and I'm not up on SATA, processors and good mobos. Been years since I built one, and could use some advice.

    I have 2 IDE drives in my current system, and would like to at least get the data to the new drives, but would prefer to install 2 new SATA's and these as well in the same box (primarily using the SATAs for daily work and the others as storage and backups). This would mean I'd have 2 SATA, 2 IDE and 2 optical drives (on the secondary IDE channel). Is this feasable, or even possible? Perhaps the IDEs could be added as additional SATAs by using adapters I've been seeing? Mobo has maybe 2 connectors for SATA...but isn't SATA able to have more than one on a cable (serial)? Isn't that what the "S" in SATA means?
    How to get the SATA drive to be seen as the boot drive?
    *bleh*...confused....

    Second:
    Mobos. Can't decide what a good one is any more, but I've always had luck with ASUS. I need ATX form factor (12x9), must have an AGP slot for my graphics card, and as many PCI (not express) as possible (since I have all PCI cards, and they don't fit in PCI-E slots, or so I'm told). Was looking at this one, since it's listed as compatible with the processor I was eyeing:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131023

    Third:
    Processors. Can't decide, but want something fast, probably dual core would be a good idea at this point. Been looking at this one from NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116255
    Thoughts?

    Case:
    Sonata II. Have one of these for a previous build, and like it pretty much. Quiet is the best part of it, and it's currently on sale for like $90. Anything good and *really* quiet in that range that you like? Is this a decent case?

    If anyone has input on this, it would be appreciated. With my current choices (and 2GB DDR RAM), I'm at about $500. Adding two SATA drives would only add about $100 or so, and that's about the end of the budget for this job...
    The S = Serial I do believe.

    Anyway, this will seem odd, but I used this site to help with my build... http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/. It is in the UK, but the stuff is all the same, plus, they "recommend" builds based on the current technology. I used them and the ratings at newegg to build a great system.... no issues with my last build, built in May of this year (AMD X2 4200, 2 GB ram, SATA 320 GB HD, TV tuner/recorder, etc, etc...)

    My mobo will hold all the drives you mentioned, so it is possible. My mobo came with a mix of IDE and SATA connections. Make sure you have a good power supply.

    If you are bent on going with an old processor technology, I would go for the AMD X2 4200 for a couple of dollars more. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103547

    Drop it into my mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131517 There is also a higher end asus on the market, but I went with this, it is also recommended....

    You will not be unhappy with the results.

    The case I got was the coolmaster... it is a tool-less design... I was really surprised at how easy it was to install stuff. It does not have all those wonderful lights people seem to like now... I'm not into that... This one has plenty of space, it comes with great fans, and easily hooks for front jacks (usb, music, etc). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119068

    Power supply... don't go cheap. One reason I don't think I have any issues with this build is I have more than enough power.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103937

    I will say that I don't know what happened... but I had 1 IDE HD and 1 SATA HD. The sata was the main... the ide became corrupt... I took it out and put it in an external drive and it works fine. I'm sure it was wonderful windows XP and because I was using it to put my TV recordings on it... but I wonder if it was because I mixed IDE and sata together... no biggie, I just wonder that.

    If you have not put a computer together in a while, I think you will be surprised at how much technology has changed. On my build it took no time to build an entire computer... maybe 30 to 45 minutes for the build... that includes reading stuff. Everything went together like it all came from the same factory... it was way better than the old days.

    Good luck...
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 2.2GHz
    Never have got the hang of AMD nomenclature, but isn't 2.2Ghz much slower than the Intel I listed (3.4 Ghz)? As for the mobo, unfortunately, it doesn't have an AGP slot, something I really need ATM to fit my existing graphics card (dual head Matrox).

    I do appreciate the input, though, thanks for that.
    Oh, and I don't need lights either...this is for working. So far, with a few changes to my shopping list, I'm now up to $600+...not good. Add to that the OS in the old Dell is an OEM, and unlikely to activate with the changes to the config (well, the entire system except for a few parts)...that adds a bit more as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bear
    Never have got the hang of AMD nomenclature, but isn't 2.2Ghz much slower than the Intel I listed (3.4 Ghz)? As for the mobo, unfortunately, it doesn't have an AGP slot, something I really need ATM to fit my existing graphics card (dual head Matrox).
    AGP... I could not recommend a mobo then... maybe the guys on the forum link I sent could.

    http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2795&p=8

    The above links compare the two chips (along with a bunch of others). They are close, but the 4200 edges it out in most results... well at least on paper. Would you notice the performance gap in "real life", I don't think so... but then, I've never used the intel chip in question. Back then AMD were taking Intels lunch... there were also some power issues with the Intel chips... but I don't know if it related to these chips or not....

    I can only tell you that I'm happy with my AMD... I'll be happy in Nov/Dec when intel lauch Quad... I'll move to that if it works well, and has a reasonable cost. I might wait until after vista is launched though. AMD is well worth the money.
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    The last one I built was AMD, so I'm there with you...typically a fine chip. As for AGP, I use a dual head to drive two displays, and a PCI card to run a third, so it's kind of important to me, and adding in a new graphics card would surely bust the budget on me. I don't need bleeding edge for this system, but like the one before it, I'd like to have it be fast and useful for a few years, anyway.

    Thanks for the links, I'll do some reading on that site and see what I can come up with.

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