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09-17-2006, 09:42 PM #1Junior Guru Wannabe
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Bought a site but the owner doesn't actually own it...
Hi guys I got kinda ripped off. I bought a site for $500 and it turns out that the guy I bought it from doesn't actually own the domain (although he runs the site). His partner that I had no idea about owns the domain. I talked to his partner and he didn't know the site was sold. So basically this guy tried to rip off his partner and ripped me off. Now this guy is a Verified Non-Us paypal member.
After his partner talked to him he agreed to send the money back minus $50. So he wants a $50 fee for ripping us off.
Now my question is should I try getting all the money through paypal disputes or should I cut my losses and take the deal? Has anyone ever dealt with paypal disputes? Can they work in your favor?
Thanks
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09-17-2006, 09:44 PM #2Disabled
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Did you pay with an existing PayPal balance or did you pay with a credit card?
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09-17-2006, 09:54 PM #3Junior Guru Wannabe
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paypal balance or bank transfer, but not credit card
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09-17-2006, 09:58 PM #4
Was that sale here at WHT?
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09-17-2006, 10:04 PM #5Junior Guru Wannabe
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no it was at namepros.com
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09-17-2006, 10:06 PM #6Dennis Johnson
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I'd "take the deal" and then open a dispute for the balance. (AFTER I received the $450)
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09-17-2006, 10:09 PM #7Junior Guru Wannabe
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So open a dispute for $50?
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09-17-2006, 10:15 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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it is possible that there is no partner, maybe just one guy playing, and the partner story is an excuse
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09-17-2006, 10:26 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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Yeah that very well could be.
Maybe he got a better offer and wanted a way to back out of your deal.
either way I'd do what SWR suggested.
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09-18-2006, 06:12 AM #10Web Hosting Master
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did you pay for the website? or pay for the website AND domain name? big difference. ive always had good luck at namepros.
if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!
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09-18-2006, 07:27 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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Even better, agree to the $450 deal and let him send you the payment. Then file a dispute for the entire amount of $500 and if you win he will be losing an other 500 out of his paypal, paypal won't realize he's already refunded you.
I'd be careful not to use the additional 450 because he'll probably file a dispute but it will teach him a lesson.Jean-Pierre Abboud / I'm the TekGURU
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09-18-2006, 10:22 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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j-p im surprised at your suggestion!
that is not right nor ethical!if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!
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09-18-2006, 10:47 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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Well it goes to show you how little consideration there is for honesty.
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09-18-2006, 10:50 AM #14antitheistic atheist
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Even better, agree to the $450 deal and let him send you the payment. Then file a dispute for the entire amount of $500 and if you win he will be losing an other 500 out of his paypal, paypal won't realize he's already refunded you.
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09-18-2006, 01:07 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by e-places
Originally Posted by noceboLast edited by GoTek-JP; 09-18-2006 at 01:11 PM.
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09-18-2006, 02:14 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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I thought PayPal only accepted disputes over tangible shipped items. Not ebooks, downloadable software or domain names.
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09-18-2006, 02:17 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Lauren Stephens
I'd do the dispute, just because the $50 is your money, not his.Web Handyman - Website and Internet Marketing Service
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09-18-2006, 02:22 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...-buyer-outside
Buyer Complaint Process Requirements
In order for a transaction to be eligible for Buyer Complaint Process review:
* You must have used PayPal to pay for your purchase.
* You must not have received the item that you purchased.
* You must file a claim within 45 days of payment.
* Your purchase must be a tangible item. Services and intangible items, such as emailed recipes and e-books, are not covered.
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09-18-2006, 02:39 PM #19Cloud Surfer
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Beat me too it. All he has to say to the dispute process is that it is an intangible good and he will lose it. Accept the $450 and then try a dispute and see what happens. Maybe he doesn't know about that. PayPal won't pick up on it, just leave out the .com.
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09-20-2006, 12:21 PM #20Web Hosting Master
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after the $450 refund, offer an "out of public domain" settlement that will stop you from naming and shaming him if he pays $100. Then you make $50 and he becomes a better person. Everyone is a winner and depending on how you word it, you will not get accused of blackmail :-D
I can resist everything but temptation - Oscar Wilde
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man - Dr. Johnson
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09-20-2006, 01:30 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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what is the big deal here? he bought a website. he paid for it and he got it.
if you haven't considered chapter 7 bankruptcy, maybe you should.
eliminate your debt, keep the property you want, most people qualify.
contrary to popular belief - no attorney is necessary!
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09-20-2006, 01:40 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by J-P
If the story was not right , and that guy was really a ripper , i do still doubt its the case , because he is not trying to rip the whole 500$ instead he is repaying the ammount minus paypal fees.
That looks kind of logic to me , yet , if he still opened a dispute after that only to regain his 500$ , and then the other guy will be able (or try) to return his 450$ , the whole situation will look suspecious to paypal verify department and it will be more like a gamble for him !
Shortly i say , take the deal , 50$ is a cheap amount to learn a lesson !POINTLeb Hosting Lebanese Hosting for the Middle East
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09-20-2006, 01:48 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Lauren Stephens
Having said that, it could cause a lot of hassle.
I can resist everything but temptation - Oscar Wilde
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man - Dr. Johnson
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09-20-2006, 01:50 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Lebanon
I can resist everything but temptation - Oscar Wilde
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man - Dr. Johnson
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09-20-2006, 02:44 PM #25Web Hosting Master
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well as a start , verifyin the owner ship of the seller ...
second going thru an escrow service to buy domains over 500$
And lastly ( i dont know if he ever mentioned ) but if he already got the domain owner ship after he paid then he can simply just refuse to give it back, If he didnt then thats the first lesson that he should have done it thu escrow service to guarantee he keeps the domain for his money.
Well sorry if am not pathetic i did a worst mistake in the past and lost 3000$ for such a mistake and i dont regret it , thats just money lost and i learned from it , it was my fault because i was unaware of how such things go back then, and yes i still say 50$ are nothing much for a called loss !POINTLeb Hosting Lebanese Hosting for the Middle East
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