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06-12-2002, 04:47 PM #26Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by YUPAPA
If I understand the concept, I wouldn't make this thread...
I meant it to be to the people who think there is no such thing as unlimited
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06-12-2002, 04:49 PM #27Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Host Ultra
I wasnt directing that question at you
I meant it to be to the people who think there is no such thing as unlimited
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06-12-2002, 04:53 PM #28Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Host Ultra
I meant it to be to the people who think there is no such thing as unlimited
That's it i'm pissed...
I'm signing up for a hosting account with you and I'm up loading seriously 10 GB of files...
The thing is you can't stop me because YOU'RE OFFERING UNLIMITED SPACE AND BW...
If you say you offer it you have to give to me... HAVE TO
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06-12-2002, 04:56 PM #29Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by 311
There isn't DAMMIT!
That's it i'm pissed...
I'm signing up for a hosting account with you and I'm up loading seriously 10 GB of files...
The thing is you can't stop me because YOU'RE OFFERING UNLIMITED SPACE AND BW...
If you say you offer it you have to give to me... HAVE TO
Just make sure you read the terms of service first
depending on what those "files" are html or images or downloads
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06-12-2002, 05:00 PM #30Aspiring Evangelist
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Unlimited Servers?
Its not physically possible to have unlimited of any material - sure that would defy the laws of physics - its a space thing you see!
But seriously... how will you afford unlimited servers? With a supply of unlimited money?Jim
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06-12-2002, 05:01 PM #31Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Host Ultra
Sure thats no problem
Just make sure you read the terms of service first
depending on what those "files" are html or images or downloads
But it's a static site, perfectly legal according to your terms, but it gets a few hits a month... (500 Gb of traffic in total)
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06-12-2002, 05:03 PM #32Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by acidHL
its a space thing you see!
Originally posted by acidHL
But seriously... how will you afford unlimited servers? With a supply of unlimited money?
Therefore with the profits from the other servers will pay for another one which will make more money to buy the next one etc...
I am already onto my second server
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06-12-2002, 05:06 PM #33Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by 311
I was exaggerating just a *bit*
But it's a static site, perfectly legal according to your terms, but it gets a few hits a month... (500 Gb of traffic in total)
but if you were serious you do know that not everyone that visits your site is going to download the entire site
even on a DSL or cable connection it would take your visitors a long time to download
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06-12-2002, 05:09 PM #34Web Hosting Master
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It's not mine It's a friends...
I'm totally serious, I just have to persaude him to switch from his dedicated. This could save him a lot of money you know...
It's 500 GB of trafic per month. Half a tera-byte. Few million hits per month...
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06-12-2002, 05:13 PM #35Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by 311
It's not mine It's a friends...
I'm totally serious, I just have to persaude him to switch from his dedicated. This could save him a lot of money you know...
It's 500 GB of trafic per month. Half a tera-byte. Few million hits per month...
If your switching from dedicated you know there is ADS on the free hosting
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06-12-2002, 05:33 PM #36Web Hosting Guru
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Anyone want to write me a shell script that will run wget for 10 consecutive days with no gap in between requests?
I would like to challenge the "unlimited" transfer gods.Chris Miller
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06-12-2002, 05:40 PM #37Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by GlideTech
Anyone want to write me a shell script that will run wget for 10 consecutive days with no gap in between requests?
I would like to challenge the "unlimited" transfer gods.
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06-12-2002, 05:48 PM #38Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Host Ultra
Something like that would just get your IP banned from the server and a report to your ISP
It's worth it
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06-12-2002, 07:07 PM #39Junior Guru Wannabe
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Why? How?
Ok i just worked out some calculations which i think are correct
Suppose he gets a site generating 400Gb trafic. He will have a lot of visitors and he would get enough money to buy another 400Gb and plenty of disk space. In this case a user will be able to consume as many resources as needed.
Trafic=>vistors=>ad views=>money=>2xTrafic
(unlimited loop )
Looks like a good story to me but I see a lot of posts against this. I use Opera (Reject pop-ups) and he will get no money from me but there are a lot of people not doing this. Can you tell me what is wrong with hostultra's calculations?
No flames. No taliban (if it is unlimited is wrong).
Just math and business.
Thank you.
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06-12-2002, 11:02 PM #40WHT Addict
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Uhhh... hate to break it to you, but Host Ultra is actually correct: (He is still wrong, see below)
If I provide unlimited service, that means that I could continually provide services (at cost or no cost). There is no forseeable end to my service as long as you pay for services and if you go over your 'allowance' of 25 hours of service per month, you'd have to pay additional fees. Still, there is no limit as far as I am concerned.
This does not necessarily relate to hosting, unlimited can be used for anything. My service could be watering lawns for your business whenever they need watered.
Then there is infinite. Infinite being the opposite of finite, in this use, having boundaries, or ending. THerefore infinite is having no end, or boundary. I cannot provide infinite service as I am limited to the hours in a month and the water in my truck.
Sum it up:
Unlimited: Having no limitations, restrictions
Infinite: Having no boundary, no end
But wait, does this mean tha Host Ultra is correct?
No: Since he provides an unlimited amount of bandwidth, there would be no restrictions or limitations on HIS part. But, in reading his TOS, he haas created scertain limitations and restrictions that protect him against bandwidth overages.
The problem with Unlimited is the context it is used. In hosting, the bandwidth is always refering to bandwidth allowance. My host, Hosting Matters, provides a hosting allowance of something like 9000 MB per month. However, I can buy addtional allowances for a cost to me. Hosting Matters will continue to provided an unlimited number of allowance increases (or overage charges) as long as I can pay the cost. They cannot provide infinite bandwidth, as there is not enough ethernet hanging out of my box to let me have my 45,000 Terrabytes per month.
You see, the bandwidth allowance, the the prepaid bandwidth cannot be unlimited. THe ammount you can have can be. But the context is wrong, so the word unlimited should be avoided in this scenario.
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06-12-2002, 11:20 PM #41Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by gnorthey00
The problem with Unlimited is the context it is used. In hosting, the bandwidth is always refering to bandwidth allowance. My host, Hosting Matters, provides a hosting allowance of something like 9000 MB per month. However, I can buy addtional allowances for a cost to me. Hosting Matters will continue to provided an unlimited number of allowance increases (or overage charges) as long as I can pay the cost. They cannot provide infinite bandwidth, as there is not enough ethernet hanging out of my box to let me have my 45,000 Terrabytes per month.
You see, the bandwidth allowance, the the prepaid bandwidth cannot be unlimited. THe ammount you can have can be. But the context is wrong, so the word unlimited should be avoided in this scenario.
If you were offering paid hosting with unlimited then you are selling something unlimited for a fixed price
But for free hosting i am giving unlimited in exchange for advertising
the more hits your site gets the more money i make from advertising as explained in the calculations in my previous posts
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06-12-2002, 11:25 PM #42Web Hosting Master
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Let's take a look at this business model:
Originally posted by Host Ultra
Ok i just worked out some calculations which i think are correct
I have a rackshack server which costs me $120 per month for 400GB bandwidth
so thats
1 gig of bandwidth costs me $0.30
I get a $5 CPM with my advertiser for popup ads on hosted sites
that works out at approx
60 unique hits = $0.30 = 1GB bandwidth
thats about 16.66MB per visitor
so each visitor to my hosted sites pays (by way of getting a popup) $0.005 which buys them 16.66MB of bandwidth
The Gigabyte to megabyte conversion is correct, although it buys them 16.66MB of data transfer, not bandwidth.
Now MOST people who visit a site just view the first page and see its not what they were looking for and leaves
so lets say 1 in 10 actually go on to view the site
that pumps it up to 166.66MB bandwidth per visitor that actually browses though the site
Remember for every unique vistor that uses under 16.66MB then i make a PROFIT!
Here is where your idea falls shorts: Advertisers do not have unlimited money. Free sites (Geocities, Tripod, etc) have a very low rate of return, and churn advertisers pretty fast. What happens when you get 50 servers, but can only sell enough advertising space to cover the cost of 25? A lot of free hosting networks have crashed in this manner, and this is where your model fails as well.
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06-12-2002, 11:37 PM #43Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by uuallan
Not sure where you got the 60 from..care to explain?
$5 / 1000 = $0.005
means i get $0.005 for every one unique hit
$0.30 (price per GB) / $0.005 = 60
Originally posted by uuallan
The Gigabyte to megabyte conversion is correct, although it buys them 16.66MB of data transfer, not bandwidth.
Originally posted by uuallan
Here is where your idea falls shorts: Advertisers do not have unlimited money. Free sites (Geocities, Tripod, etc) have a very low rate of return, and churn advertisers pretty fast. What happens when you get 50 servers, but can only sell enough advertising space to cover the cost of 25? A lot of free hosting networks have crashed in this manner, and this is where your model fails as well.
Who says there is an unlimited number of accounts either?
I could stop accepting new accounts before i even reach 50 servers and probably will
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06-12-2002, 11:42 PM #44Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Host Ultra
OK some call it data transfer and some call it bandwidth but its all the same really.
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06-12-2002, 11:47 PM #45Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by YUPAPA
Of course not! Bandwidth is the speed (792KB/s) and data transfer is the files' sizes that have transferred (in bytes).
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06-12-2002, 11:50 PM #46Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Host Ultra
Yes i know your right but alot of people refer to data transfer as bandwidth
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06-12-2002, 11:52 PM #47WHT Addict
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Bandwidth (keyword WIDTH), the amount of data transfer per given time period (think of it as velocity) Bandwidth has been measured in bps, Kbps, Mbps, Gbps, traditionally. I have never seen it measured over minutes, hours, or days, etc.
Data transfer refers to amount of data per extended period of time. Note that this is in MB per month (not Mb) or GB per month (not Gb)
As for all free hosts, they set data transfer limits. I.e., GeoCities, 3 GB/month.
Why don't you do this: Data transfer limit: THe limit shall vary based on your proitablity for us. You shall be allowed up to 3 GB transfer per month, however, you will not be filled for additional usage (overage) if your site generates advertising revenues for the company.
This would stop anyone who chooses to run some sort of bandwidth eater-chat script, unless, your ad is able to appear and rotate in their script. THey will therefore cover the cost if they do not generate revenues, or generate revs through ads.
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06-12-2002, 11:53 PM #48WHT Addict
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Originally posted by YUPAPA
Yes you know I am right, but that doesn't mean listenning to others' thoughts is correct.
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06-12-2002, 11:59 PM #49Junior Guru Wannabe
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No: Since he provides an unlimited amount of bandwidth, there would be no restrictions or limitations on HIS part. But, in reading his TOS, he haas created scertain limitations and restrictions that protect him against bandwidth overages.
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It is true that you can generate a lot of trafic using bots or something else. Because of this kind of people there is a TOS. If everybody is keeping his part of the deal nobody is removed from the site. The ideea is to get trafic, not to keep it low. Your 45,000 Terrabytes per month can be generated only by sites like Yahoo. They don't need free hosting. And if they will ever need I think everybody will give them that to put their ads.
Free hosting is for small websites dreaming of having 10-15Gb. In this case "unlimited" is short for "as much as you need".
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06-13-2002, 12:05 AM #50Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by gnorthey00
Why don't you do this: Data transfer limit: THe limit shall vary based on your proitablity for us. You shall be allowed up to 3 GB transfer per month, however, you will not be filled for additional usage (overage) if your site generates advertising revenues for the company.
People like to think that they can use as much as they want without trying to restrict the size of their sites
Alot of people using free hosting are newbies that wouldnt understand that stuff
Originally posted by gnorthey00
This would stop anyone who chooses to run some sort of bandwidth eater-chat script, unless, your ad is able to appear and rotate in their script. THey will therefore cover the cost if they do not generate revenues, or generate revs through ads.
It is not possible to run any server side scripts on hostultra (php, cgi for example)
Additionally there is very high leech protection
NO FILE (file is everything that is not a html) can be downloaded off the server unless the http referer comes from a hostultra url
You can only enter a site through a html file