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    Arrow Dottable says east coast dedicated servers are slower?

    On the Dottable website the following claim is made;

    Why are Dotable's servers located in Los Angeles?

    Los Angeles was chosen as the location for the Dotable server fleet, because of it's close proximity to Asia and Australia, while still being blazing fast for Dotable USA clients. Los Angeles (America's west coast) represents a fantastic middle ground, when compared to datacenter locations on the East coast of America, where speeds are much slower when connecting from Asia, Europe and the Australia region.
    Can sombody tell me if these claims warrent any merit?

    While my boxes are located in Texas, I'm hopeing that this claim is false even though i live on the east coast. Texas is not considered East Coast but there are a number of Datacenter in New York, New Jersey, and in Pen. How are they slower to Australia, Asia etc? Wouldnt that be depending on the type of connection rather than anything else? I would image, that if this was true, we would be seeing more datacenters located on the West Coast rather than the south and and west.

    In that case, i would like my next box to be located in LA. Amyone know of a Datacenter that is offering Dual Operton servers for rental? Or somebody offering Colo with boxes that are ready to rent?

    Thank you.

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    Distance to LA from Asia/Australia is much shorter than to say NY, NJ or Atlanta. Hence, there's your problem.
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    It's just distance. Obviously Asia is closer to the west coast than the east coast....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ayksolutions
    Distance to LA from Asia/Australia is much shorter than to say NY, NJ or Atlanta. Hence, there's your problem.
    So then accomodating clients in those countries need to be placed on servers in LA? I have never had a complaint and we have hosting clients from all over the world but it does open my eyes.

    So how is it that East Coast -> West Coast is faster but not the other way around?
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    Might want to run some traceroutes at traceroute.org from the countries you are expecting your traffic to come from and judge for yourself the difference the DC location makes.

    I just tried one at random from Australia and the traceroute to softlayer.com in TX was around 60ms longer than to dotable.com (and to nac.net in NJ was 90ms longer). However, I picked one in Germany and nac.net was 108ms, softlayer.com was 143ms, and dotable.com was 265ms.
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    Speeds to Europe are definately faster from the US East Coast then the West Coast by 50-60ms normally.
    Speeds to Asia/Australia are definately faster from the US West Coast then the East Coast by 50-60ms normally.
    Those are generic statements though, as poor routing, or exceptions to the norm, can affect that...
    The US streches 3000 miles across...so of course that is going to make a difference whether you need to cross that or not.

    The claim is only 50% true, and obviusouly self-serving to their own needs.
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    Keep in mind also that the difference between 100ms and 140ms, is alot less noticeable than 10ms and 50ms.
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    Generally speaking a west coast location will serve the Asia Pacific regions better due to decreased latency. I presume this is what Dotable mean because Bob started off targeting the Australian market initially I believe.

    Likewise, an east coast location would probably result in lower latency for users hitting the server from say the United Kingdom or Europe. A central location such as Texas would probably be best for overall performance within the US itself.

    A lot of it also comes down to what upstreams a provider is using and how their routes are optimized as well. To be perfectly honest unless you are hosting a highly latency dependent application such as a game server then a small difference in ping is not going to matter for your normal website.

    I therefore don't think you should be too concerned about Asian Pacific clients hitting your east coast server or European Dotable clients hitting their west coast server. Providers very often choose a specific data center for other reasons than a marginal difference in latency.

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    Looks like the geography is slightly mixed up. East coast is faster for Europe than West coast. End of the day, it depends on your principle market. Asia has never been one as most countries do not use English as their first language or even the 2nd.
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    Rob is a salesman first. Who doesn't know that? If his server was at the north pole , it was planned like that for the better cooling. No offence intended Rob. You've done quite well.

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    Why are Dotable's servers located in Los Angeles?

    Los Angeles was chosen as the location for the Dotable server fleet, because of it's close proximity to Asia and Australia, while still being blazing fast for Dotable USA clients. Los Angeles (America's west coast) represents a fantastic middle ground, when compared to datacenter locations on the East coast of America, where speeds are much slower when connecting from Asia, Europe and the Australia region.
    Well, I am interested to know why they claim access from Europe to US is faster via west coast than to east coast. Which part of Europe?

    And I just checked, not all part of Asia will reach US from the West Coast. Just did quick test and routes from Pakistan, Turkey, etc seems to come to US via East Cost by way of Western Europe.
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    Which part of Europe?
    I don't see how any part of Europe can be faster to the west coast than the east coast....
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    Quote Originally Posted by layer0
    I don't see how any part of Europe can be faster to the west coast than the east coast....
    Not sure about the easter part of Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurstNET
    The claim is only 50% true, and obviusouly self-serving to their own needs.
    The claim is true, because I presented the information in the context of "proximity to Asia and Australia".

    However, I'll remove the "Europe" part. That was an oversight on my behalf.

    Bottom line is, from Australia, we get much better speeds to our LA colo than if we coloed on the east coast of America.

    BTW, it's Dotable.com and not Dottable.com, although both will get you to Dotable.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochen
    Generally speaking a west coast location will serve the Asia Pacific regions better due to decreased latency. I presume this is what Dotable mean because Bob started off targeting the Australian market initially I believe.
    Yes, we're Aussie based, and do have local advertising running, but we also get a lot of US based clients. So hence the LA location seemed the perfect middle ground. Fast for US clients, and great speeds for Asia/Australian clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by page-zone
    Rob is a salesman first. Who doesn't know that? If his server was at the north pole , it was planned like that for the better cooling. No offence intended Rob. You've done quite well.
    Rob = Bob?
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    My bad, I don't know why I keep calling him Rob. Bob - did you change your name?

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    I used to be Rob but then I evolved into a Bob. That's about the same time the hair started to thin out, and I got grey racing stripes above my ears.

    Rob or Bob is ok. Just don't call me late for dinner!
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    I didn't notice the switch. But I've been known to take a year or two off from here. I thought, either I've been calling him the wrong name for 6 years or when he sold the other company EVERYTHING went with it, including his name. So you retained the rights to Robert? Smart move
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    Quote Originally Posted by page-zone
    I didn't notice the switch. But I've been known to take a year or two off from here. I thought, either I've been calling him the wrong name for 6 years or when he sold the other company EVERYTHING went with it, including his name. So you retained the rights to Robert? Smart move
    I retained 'Aussie Bob'. That was never for sale.
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    [QUOTE=Mikie4648]I have never had a complaint and we have hosting clients from all over the world[QUOTE]
    Then it seems pretty foolish to worry yourself now.

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