View Poll Results: Should the government get involved?

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  • Yes, the inexperienced need their help

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  1. #1
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    should the hosting industry be more regulated

    This is really more twoards american companies since I do not know the rules of other governments. Anyhow, I am really getting sick of seeing so much unlimited. Not just seeing the unlimited plans, but the prices being asked for. 3 dollars a month for just about unlimited everything.

    At the very least, I would like to see a rule were anytime you put something like unlimited, you must put a * by it. Wether it be in an advertisement or on their website. I am trying to think back to my buisness class I had in highschool some time ago. I thought legally you had to do something like it. For example credit card companies, dont they put * by all their rates they advertise because of how they can change.

    Any how your thoughts on if they should or what the government should do.

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    The government already has a rule about unlimited, its called false advertising. The only reason we don't see less of it, is because no one has tested the waters by sueing a company claming unlimited bandwidth, that day will come eventually i'm sure.

    But in short anything the govt tries to do to regulate US companies on the 'net will drive the companies out of the country.
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    Originally posted by DanielP
    The government already has a rule about unlimited, its called false advertising.
    well I'm not to sure about that, with all those clauses that we see I bet someone figured out the loop hole

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    They should first handle SPAMERS and than proceede to other hosting related "laws"

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    <rant>

    Arggg.... OK... I'm a Libertarian also majoring in Economics. So I'm very opinionated on this topic. To get it out of the was I am a Mises student of econmics (i.e. a slave to the market)...

    Speaking in the terms of unlimited I completely agree with you that it is an unfufillable promise made to the consumer but, if you are a customer that purchases an unlimited account and you soon realize that this is an unkeepable promise would you ever choose unlimited* again? I think not.

    Consumers who are either educated or confronted with the truth about a marketing ploy they will make their purchases more wisely in the future. In the long run this will cause those companies advertising unlimited* to stop making money and go out of business. Simply solution.

    The market fixes problems with companies that don't serve their customers and make false promises. They won't have anymore customers to make false promises to.

    OK... Regulation... The worst 10 letter word in the English language. So here's the short argument.
    Some reasons against how regulation can't stop unlimited.

    1) Precedent. If you create a law that regulates a certain market you create a precedent that your market is open to future regulations. Customers are now happy b/c you can't use the word *unlimited* but, what other crazy things are our friends in Washington going to think of? What about setting a maximium on what you can charge?.... Ya know, they same people you want to protect want good cheap webhosting too, why can't you lower your prices to fit them?.... Or how about you must provide certain services? The list goes on and on.

    2) There are other solutions. I've seen this thread come up a few times and would gladly lend my hand into helping create it. What about a Webhoster's Consumer Group, or a Webhosting Guild that could provide information to customers to help them understand what things go on in the webhosting market, like the myths of *unlimited and what each service provided is.

    3) A Fool and his money are soon parted. Maybe a little darwinistic here but, if you went to go by a car and the sales staff said that car would go unlimited miles would you buy it?.... You'd be a fool if you did.

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    This entire idea behind the evils of unlimited and how to get customers away from it and to your respective companies is all about education. Not all of your customers even understand what the term URL means (as seen by a stupid customer thread about a page ago). If you as business educated your customers you get better customers and will take business away from those who practice business in an unfaithful manner.

    Regulation is simply censorship of the free speak of the market
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    Last edited by Studio64; 06-11-2002 at 07:34 AM.

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    Originally posted by ADEhost


    well I'm not to sure about that, with all those clauses that we see I bet someone figured out the loop hole

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    Given enough resources I could prove without any word of a doubt thet the UK Prime Minister has been directly involved in the advertising of "unlimited bandwidth".

    He appeared on UK terestrial TV in 2000 at a datacenter, he was leaning over a monitor, the logo on the wall signified a widly advertised UK host that has already been looked at by trading standards. Although the footage shown had Mr Blair staring into a monitor and a nice big logo on the wall, I doubt very much that he had any idea about the false claims of that company, or did he?
    If he did, then he is guilty of condoning and supporting false advertising. If he did not, then someone is realy taking the piss out of him to the point of using him to advertise falsely. The result was the company getting prime time advertising condoned by the PM.

    I am not going to say the firms name, I aim to be alive next week if possible.

    But, I this is be 100% true, and can be proven without difficulty.

    This I think is the main reason there needs to be some sort of regulation.

    yes, they are at it!


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    Greetings:

    Regulation generally means government involvement.

    Whenever the goverment gets involved, costs tend to go up with no real benefit to consumers.
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    Originally posted by dynamicnet
    Greetings:

    Regulation generally means government involvement.

    Whenever the goverment gets involved, costs tend to go up with no real benefit to consumers.
    Please read my post about government involvement.

    If an industry needs to be regulated due to too much false advertising, then of course the Gov should step in. They should organise an independant investigation or call for one.

    Unfortunately the Government has already been involved (UK) but not at a regulatory level, they have been involved by commiting the very fraudulent acts that we talk about regulating, they are the very culprits who should be regulated, and the least likely to be looked at for having outside interests in the hosting business.

    Either the UK government is just totaly corrupt, along with the PM, or someone has tricked the PM.
    He has been involvement with a high profile campain that did advertise unlimited bandwidth.

    BTW, I have nothing against any countries, nations, religions, sex, or anything else I can think of that floats between my ears.

    This is a clear case of Government level involvment in Fraud.

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    Maybe you could add another option :

    "The gov wont do anything cause they LOVE unlimited."

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    Greetings:

    "If an industry needs to be regulated due to too much false advertising, then of course the Gov should step in."

    What about self-regulation?

    Government involvement in private sectors generally cause more damage than good.

    While I do support our goverment, they have a terrible track record of regulating industries.
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    Originally posted by Studio64


    Speaking in the terms of unlimited I completely agree with you that it is an unfufillable promise made to the consumer but, if you are a customer that purchases an unlimited account and you soon realize that this is an unkeepable promise would you ever choose unlimited* again? I think not.
    Amen brother! The last thing the industry needs is gov involvement. The consumer needs to be educated. Point them to unlimband.com or something similar, the problem will take care of itself in the long run.
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    There are times that the government does good when they regulate.
    This is a stupid example but it works.

    Did you know that if you are sent something in the mail you can not be charged for it in any way unless you signed something. And if you dont pay it is the companies responsibility to come up with a way to get the item back. Lets say a magazine company starts sending you some free trial issues of a magazine, then the free trial ends and they start sending you the magazines along with bills for them. You legally do not have to pay and legally if they want the stuff back, they have to have someone pick it up, or pay for it to be sent back.

    Now magazines are a bad example, but this type of thing does happen. And it is government regulation that helps it stay in order.

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    Greetings David:

    "Now magazines are a bad example, but this type of thing does happen. And it is government regulation that helps it stay in order."

    What's a good example?

    Furthermore, if current laws where enforced what is left unenforced on the Internet?

    Sometimes it is a matter of enforcing existing laws as opposed to making new ones.

    Governments rarely innovate, they rarely give anything back, etc.

    When everyone lacks self control, then everyone cries let the government take care of it. Then we all spend time complaining about how lousy a job the government does at taking care of it.

    Why let it get that far on the Net?

    Customer's need education as does everyone else impacted.

    Existing laws need to be enforced.

    And businesses need to act professional.

    There's no need for government involvement.
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    NO WAY, there is too much government regulation all ready.

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    Greetings:

    " Not just seeing the unlimited plans, but the prices being asked for. 3 dollars a month for just about unlimited everything."

    1. Some one already stated there existing laws about false advertising. There also exists existing laws dealing with fraud.

    2. Customer education works better than government regulation.

    Thank you.
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    I have a friend who in the mail started reciving these small cardboard sheets. On the sheets were pictures of Air Force planes along with information, im sure some of you have seen these type of things, smaller then a 8x11 peaice of paper. Anyhow he got a couple in the mail, then a little while later he got acuall bills for the ones he had recived. As a result he was just able to keep them, and got no more sent to him, along with not paying.



    "Existing laws need to be enforced.

    And businesses need to act professional.

    There's no need for government involvement. "

    How can laws be enforced with out government involvement

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    What we need is not for more regulations, but for consumers who have been ripped off to stop taking it on the chin and call the Attorney General in their state. They exist for a number of purposes, including consumer protection.

    If a business makes you promises in their advertising and fails to keep them, call the Attorney General's office and file a complaint. Do not just vent your spleen on a forum and find another provider. Even reporting a company to the BBB isn't enough, they don't have any jurisdiction, the AG does.

    There was talk about forming a trade association last year, but our industry is still a little fragmented and immature for that, whether a grassroots effort by the legitimate small hosts or an elite organization formed by only the large companies.

    The decision of whether or not to be honest is considered an ethical one, still. And as long as companies get away with false advertising because the customers don't complain to the right people, this will go on.

    We don't need more laws, we just need the customers to take advantage of the resources provided by the existing ones.
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    dynamicnet is right. "existing laws need to be enforced." Adding new regulations is useless if they're still not willing to enforce the basic business laws they already have in place.

    I personally feel that free, community based resources such as WHT are great, because they inform consumers without necessarily "policing" bad businesses.

    But, if a consumer is lied to or ripped off, they should be compensated... whether its a hosting company or a restaurant.
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