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    Apple Notebooks

    Does anybody have any thoughts on the Apply G4 notebooks VS an IBM or a Dell or an HP etc? for performance, reliablity, and all that jazz?

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    We just bought g4 Titaniums for our staff and they are great! The performance, graphics, processing power kicks a**. I will never go back...plus apple are a little more user friendly for me as I prefer unix

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    I am really interested in apple from a conversion from a windows environment, how does it interface with wireless networks and also how about any conversions from a windows platform. I just had to send in a DELL P.O.S inspiron 8000 because the mouse buttons built it basically wore out, the numbers and letters wore off the keypad, the backspace button and the cntrl button stopped working as well. The battery and power cord have also been replaced. I might add that this particular laptop is less than 1 year old and has been handled and treated with tender respect, but has been used a lot with just normal use because of the industry this is in....every day.

    With that said, How do the apples hold out?

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    I have never likes Mac's as much... is there some reason, other than theior cheesy flashy looks that I should change that?

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    That is what i am searching for,

    Is the equipment/hardware head over heels better and more reliable?

    Is the operating system more reliable than windows (which shouldnt be too hard)

    Is the software powerful and widespread enough to make a switch justifiable by cost and execution...

    Apple has to justify itself somehow, but can they support it?

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    They've set up a good resource for people switching over. Take a look at <http://www.apple.com/switch/>
    Originally posted by goodness0001
    That is what i am searching for,

    Is the equipment/hardware head over heels better and more reliable?
    Yes. I very much enjoy it.
    Originally posted by goodness0001
    Is the operating system more reliable than windows (which shouldnt be too hard)
    It is *nix based. So yes, it is much more reliable.
    Originally posted by goodness0001
    Is the software powerful and widespread enough to make a switch justifiable by cost and execution...
    Yes. Many applications are available on both systems. Office:Mac is very nice and comes with a wonderful email client, better than Outlook.

    The Mac system is very nice. And it's easy. And it's pretty. And it's fun. And it's perfect.
    Colin

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    Well I've had my CHEESY tangerine iBook for over 2 years now and all the keys still work, the power cord has been replaced but only cuz I killed it viciously by accident LOL!!!!! nothing is rubbing off... no bad pixels in the screen... still working off my original battery and it still holds a charge as well as the first day... *shrug* and it's just a little G3/350 (or is it a G3/300?) and I am told that it can run OS X with just a memory upgrade.



    I do everything on my Macs. (I have three)

    Website Design:
    Dreamweaver MX (OS X-native) for site creation
    Photoshop 7 (OS X-native) for graphics
    Macromedia has come out with X-native versions of its apps like Fireworks, ColdFusion, Flash, etc. -- so everything runs natively there.

    Office/Accounting:
    Bookkeeping/Accounting: M.Y.O.B. or Quicken (MYOB can do business stuff) -- both OS X native
    Office:Mac includes Word, Excel, Powerpoint & Entourage for Mail. Entourage kicks major ass.
    INCLUDED: AppleWorks 6 (X-native) does word processing, spreadsheets, etc. etc.
    Palm Desktop: the classic, I'd be lost without it. Comes free w/ OS X.

    Internet:
    No fear! Everything is OS X native. Everything tastes great, less filling:
    Telnet/SSH client: use the built-in Terminal. you can also command-line your Mac from this in OS X.
    IE 5
    OmniWeb
    Mozilla
    AOL Instant Messenger client
    ICQ client
    "Fire" multi-service IM client, freeware
    "Proteus" multi-service IM client, freeware
    Network Tools: free as part of OS, includes whois, ping, traceroute, etc. etc.
    IRC: I use "JediKnight" a rather cheesy piece of freeware which works nicely, is lightweight.
    BBEdit Lite... no web designer/coder can survive without.

    Multimedia:
    Listen to internet radio with iTunes. Also create and keep your own playlists on your computer, and burn your own CDs with iTunes. Oh yeah, it's free, made by Apple for OS X.

    iPhoto kicks ass for photo storage. You'll still need Photoshop for manipulation, though.

    Super-duper Utilities:
    MacJanitor... maintains your BSD-based filesystem, rotates logs, frees up unused and un-reniced memory, etc. Freeware I believe.

    rBrowser... graphical FTP, SSH, SFTP etc. client... say goodbye to command line for setting permissions and moving your files around. You can do it all from the comfort of your familiar environment. I LOVE THIS APP!!!! $40 or so. Of course you do all your command-line stuff through Terminal.

    VueScan... makes your Firewire scanner work -- drivers for OS X. hehe $40, well worth it. Stable product and works better than the native UMAX drivers that shipped with my scanner.

    VisualRoute... the classic. $40. X native.

    WeatherManX... puts the National Weather Service on your desktop. $10, worth about $50. Don't tell the developer.

    There are tons of apps for OS X. Go to VersionTracker and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I don't do a whole lot of work in the "big names" to be honest... most of the time I am using shareware/freeware to get my work done. I still run "Classic" mode (OS 9 running in emulation) because I have to upgrade my PageMaker to InDesign yet, and I have to upgrade from Photoshop 6 to 7. Both of these are OS X native. With those two, I will be able to reclaim my OS 9 partition and say goodbye to Classic for Good! Yippeeeeeee!

    Everytime I run in Windows I am absolutely shocked at how rough and codgy it looks and feels. It's just not very polished. There are also some apps that I have purchased for Windows that could have been better written and implemented in a simple Mac Excel spreadsheet, than what they were passing off as "program" for Windows. I mean, just awful.

    Wireless networking is a breeze. In fact, all networking is a breeze. Plug in the cable to the included ethernet port (no paying extra there, it's included by default) and open System Preferences. Click on Networking. Select Ethernet. Done. ha ha ha ha ha. It's so easy, it's rather embarrassing.

    I have not encountered any problems like you cite with your Dell, I am really sorry to hear that it didn't hold up very well. I don't have one of the TiBooks, but my Dad does, and he just loves it to pieces. He is burning CDs and **** on it all the time. I've gotten to play with it once or twice and it's pretty dang shweet. I just plug along on my little Tangerine iBook and she does everything I ask.

    I also have a G3/350 Revision B iMac which I use as a point-of-sale/cash register system at my gift shop. Finally I have a B&W G3/400 desktop tower (384 RAM) that I bought in '99. It continues to be everything I have asked for and I see absolutely no reason to upgrade this computer within the next 2 years. What a relief that computers have finally gotten to the point that I could find one that is "fast enough" and can be configured to "grow with" me as my needs change. If anything I might pop another 256 or 512 of RAM in it. This spring I stuck a 40 gig external FW HD on it, so my storage needs are set.

    hehe

    *shrug* Seriously if it couldn't be done in business, I wouldn't recommend running with a Mac, but I'm running 2 businesses and working an external job on all-Mac with no problems.

    I regularly send my Win co-workers Office docs & spreadsheets, there's no special formatting required, they are totally cross-platform. When viruses come through, I just click "Delete" because Macs are immune to all these Windows crap viruses. No need to worry about picking them up, or sending them out -- they just don't "run." Of course you'll have to say "goodbye" to those creative .exe attachments, but then you can always pick up a copy of VirtualPC 5 and run Windows on your Mac, and see those .exe's after all.

    Bailey

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    i see companies upgrading to new laptops, what do you guys do with the old ones? mind selling me one for cheap? i'm a student so expect much, donations are welcome

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    We usually ebay them or use them and stuff enough memory in them until they just cant take anymore, and then we ebay them.

    I might just have to put an apple in my menu next time around.

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    Cool Macs rock!

    I own and use both WinXP machines and Macs. I prefer Macs because they are easier to use, crash less often (rarely have to do a reboot), and they look a-heck-of-a-lot cooler...If it weren't for clients who all use Windows, I'd just use the Macs for everything...


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    Re: Macs rock!

    Originally posted by VoxKeysGtr
    I own and use both WinXP machines and Macs. I prefer Macs because they are easier to use, crash less often (rarely have to do a reboot), and they look a-heck-of-a-lot cooler...If it weren't for clients who all use Windows, I'd just use the Macs for everything...

    Amen

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    Ever since upgrading to apple notebooks (2 years ago) we have seen a big difference...

    Crashing is almost non-existent

    Fast processing

    Increadible multi-taking unix environmnet

    etc..etc...etc

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    macs rule

    I am running 2 home businesses from my trusted ibook 500 that I have been using for 1.5 years. I also own an first generation imac (rev 6, G3 266) and I had a cube for 2 months (sold it for a $300.00 profit when they were discontinued).
    All of them had OS X and run great without a single problem. anything you can do on a PC, I can do on the mac (except ColdFusion....c'mon macromedia get it ported....pretty, pretty please...)

    the FreeBSD layer of MacOS X is just wonderfull and stable. the fact that I can test my website on apache/mysql/php on the road is priceless as well...

    all major apps are compatible or/and have been ported to the mac. I used them while getting my B.S in a full blown windows environment and the only time I had issues was when I needed to use MS access for class projects.

    you can't go wrong: once you go MAC you never go BACK

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    I am in the same position. I am deciding on whether to do some upgrades to my current computer, purchase a new one or get an Apple iBook. I can't decide.

    I've gone back and forth and can't decide. I steer towards the Apple for a couple of hours, then it's to the upgrades, then new computer and all forth. But after see-ing this I am definitley going to look into the iBook's. Who know's what we may see a MWNY.

    And yes, Apple's are very reliable, have great performance and all that other "jazz".

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    hey guys, im also planning to use an ibook, but was just curious that i will be using too much of the mouse pad (the finger-mouse thingy) and it might get spoiled. u think i can get a normal apple mouse and plug it to the ibook instead? cuz im gonna be designing web layouts and graphics on an ibook.

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    Take a look: http://www.raytracer25.btinternet.co...t/itoilet.html .
    Actually, Apple Computers are awesome. The new iMac is sweet. The Titaniums are also nice, light weight, and has a huge screen. If you can afford it, go for it, I would take a Titanium over any other PC laptop.

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    wats the difference (hardware wise) between the ibook and the powerbook?

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    Originally posted by NumLock
    wats the difference (hardware wise) between the ibook and the powerbook?
    I think the iBook runs on G3 and the powerbook runs on G4 and the screen size.

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    Here are the Apple PowerBook G4 Specs.

    And here are the Apple iBook Specs.

    Now go to the following and compare.

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    ok

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    Originally posted by NumLock
    hey guys, im also planning to use an ibook, but was just curious that i will be using too much of the mouse pad (the finger-mouse thingy) and it might get spoiled. u think i can get a normal apple mouse and plug it to the ibook instead? cuz im gonna be designing web layouts and graphics on an ibook.
    Of course you can buy a mouse and plug it into an iBook. They have usb ports, many usb mice will work. That said, the trackpad on the iBooks seems pretty sturdy. I've only had mine for a few months, but it's really not a part of the laptop that I'm concerned about wearing out. I do, however, like to plug external mice into my laptops when I'm going to be using them on a desk for an extended period of time.

    -Joe

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    IMHO:
    > The trackpads on the Ti-Book and iBook are complete crap. When you rest your hands on the keyboard, parts of your hand touch the trackpad, causing it to shoot across the screen.
    > The iBook has no PC Card slot which makes it expandable only via Firewire, USB, etc. It also has no Sound In port.
    > The screen on the Ti-Book is awesome, and the battery life on both of the laptops is good to excellent.\
    > Adding an Airport card is easy and makes for an incredible experience, considering the entire screen edge is the antenna.
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    Originally posted by filburt1
    IMHO:
    > The trackpads on the Ti-Book and iBook are complete crap. When you rest your hands on the keyboard, parts of your hand touch the trackpad, causing it to shoot across the screen.
    how can u say its 'crap', i think ders enough spcae to rest your hands on oth sides of the ibook (the new ibook, not those multi-coloured ones)

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    I know, the new iBook. I'm speaking from experience and Mac OS X rules so I've got nothing against them, but I would not buy an iBook.
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    Originally posted by Fiber
    Here are the Apple PowerBook G4 Specs.

    And here are the Apple iBook Specs.

    Now go to the following and compare.
    I think we all have enough knowledge to have figured that out.

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    Originally posted by iamdave
    I think we all have enough knowledge to have figured that out.
    I'm sure most of you do, but some people well....don't.

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    When I first got my tangerine iBook in August 2000, I had the same issue -- my thumb would touch the trackpad and I couldn't figure out why my computer was acting so ODD. LOL!

    Once I became aware of it, it self-corrected, and I have not had a problem since. *shrug*

    Annoying, yes, but we old dogs can adjust.


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    I took the plunge last week. I got one of the new iMacs with the superdrive. Today I set it up and started using it and I absolutely love it so far. It looks like it may be replacing my Dell as my primary system.
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    Originally posted by Fiber
    I'm sure most of you do, but some people well....don't.
    if your reffering to me, well i'm fully aware of those sites. i just wanted to ask people who hav experience using both the powerbook and the ibook.

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    If you switch you will never go back.

    I own a Powerbook 667, as well as a dual 1 ghz tower. Both machines are amazing.

    I have experience with windows and i think macs are far superior. The uptimes are incredible. I get 20+ days uptime on my powerbook...running an alpha version of os x 10.2....

    We got a P4 1.3 or something last year and sold it 5 months latter. My powerbook is much faster from a user point of view.

    I manage a small windows network and have no problem connecting to it from my powerbook. If there is any need to run one of the few apps that are windows only, you can get virtual pc.

    The new powerbook 667 and 800 are faster than mine, so speed wise you won't be disapinted at all.

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    I too bought my first mac 2 months ago, same model as the one you picked up Timothy. It's an amazing machine (and OS) and my desk is so clear and concise now. I have pretty much shelved my PC's as I found replacements for everything I truely needed. The only annoyance with the whole deal is web browsin is too slow - no matter which of the 5 differnet browsers I might use. I seriously doubt I will/want ever go back to a x86 PC.

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    Som tech things about macs!

    There is and fast to fix there hdd can format in like 4 mins flat!
    Something stops working shift key while rebooting will not load extentions find your prob and off you go working again.

    There easy to fix and the extentions are a beautiful way to have everthing working as you can trash and add as you wish!

    They dont crash as much but at the same time using an older version of mac os you have to specify what rams usgae goes to what program.

    I still have an ibook that i dont use anymore and yes its true the track pad is crappy!

    You would think that they would of thought of something alittle smarter like my new sony vaio they have an excellent track pad system.

    You can double tab the pad and it double clicks etc.

    The ibook also has only one USD port ( at least the one i have ) and i can only fit in the usb mouse in there but not my digital camera

    Its all good anyway happy with the Sony Vaio at the moment for me and Elena has a G4 titanium which she is more scared about getting the thing scratched than putting some work through it.

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    I still have an ibook that i dont use anymore and yes its true the track pad is crappy!
    I still don't get this. The trackpad is fine. I have used both Dell and Gateway notebooks through the course of work, and the trackpad on them is no different.

    Pick up your fingers. Pay attention to what you are doing. This is not rocket science.


    You would think that they would of thought of something alittle smarter like my new sony vaio they have an excellent track pad system.

    You can double tab the pad and it double clicks etc.
    Ummmm, you can do this on an Apple notebook too. Turn it on in your Control Panel.


    The ibook also has only one USD port ( at least the one i have ) and i can only fit in the usb mouse in there but not my digital camera
    Easy solution: I bought a $5 USB hub and I can plug four things into my iBook now. FWIW, the new iBooks have more than one USB port, I believe someone supplied the links to the specs earlier in the thread. Not really fair to judge the new iBooks on a 2-year-old feature set of a computer that's no longer made.


    Something stops working shift key while rebooting will not load extentions find your prob and off you go working again.

    There easy to fix and the extentions are a beautiful way to have everthing working as you can trash and add as you wish!
    This is all true for the "old" OS 9. However it's all nonexistant in OS X. The OS is FreeBSD based, and essentially maintains itself. Uptime and stability continues to be superb. Anyway... no need to hold down the shift key at boot-up with OS X, as there are no extensions to load and hence, conflict.

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    crapple

    i was pretty much forced to use a mac at my job , from the constant crashing (nothing better then a error message with a picture of a bomb) , to the one button mouse , i see nothing "better" about an apple computer . Its not in the price , or the design , the speed of the cpu or even the os . The only thing i will give apple is that they have a wonderful marketing department ......

    p.s. , when motorola stops making chips for apple , who will pick apple up , i forsee intel processors in apple machines within the next 6 years

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    from the constant crashing (nothing better then a error message with a picture of a bomb)
    ...as if a blank blue screen is a whole lot more to go on...



    to the one button mouse
    what kind of cave were you working in??? My mouse has four buttons, a trackball and a scroll wheel. I haven't used a one-button mouse in a good five years.



    i see nothing "better" about an apple computer... not... even [in] the os.
    With the advent of OS X, this is a very narrow-minded comment, even by admission of leading PC magazine editors. To say this is to say that there is nothing better about *nix than Windows. Because OS X is a flavor of *nix with a pretty GUI. Windows is....


    *shrug* Hey I run Windows for a couple of programs that don't come Mac. I use Wintel machines at work too. So long as we have differing opinions and preferences, there will be a wide flavor of platforms.

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    well...

    maybe the mouse does suck , but its what came with the computer out of the box and what my employer provided. Care to buy me a new one ? . As far as the blue screen , thats true , but that only applys to win users . And there are plenty of os's you can run a "pc" . i just find my mac has more errors and isnt half as fast online as my pc . I did find it funny though that there were no comments on price or cpu . =]

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    Re: crapple

    Originally posted by case


    p.s. , when motorola stops making chips for apple , who will pick apple up , i forsee intel processors in apple machines within the next 6 years
    Heh, you can be assured it won't be intel, as both apple and ibm having been using the powerpc chip by motorola they having been making a behind the scenes switch to AMD, in fact the new sledgehammer chip was in devlopment long before the pc based announcement for the powerpc platform

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    OK, OK, I'll bite.



    Price> Yes. They are more expensive. *shrug* So? Gotta realize that Apple's business strategy is not just based on software boxes. Yes, they sell the OS, but the OS will only run on their proprietary hardware. With a small supply and Apple having 100% control over supply and pricing, yes, it's gonna be higher. Remember the old Motorola StarMax licensed line? They were discontinued largely in part because of the damage done to the financial business model. (At least IMHO)

    So yes, it's more expensive, and that's simply the cost of doing business with Apple. If you want an Apple, you will pay more. It's a given. If you don't want Apple, you don't care, because you are buying a PC and will run a different OS anyway. *shrug* I, for one, have no interest in a cheap, crappy production-line Dell or Gateway. Sorry, I've seen too many problems just among my friends... I pop the box on my new Apple hardware, and without fail it's been 100%. The one thing that did crop up was fixed for free by Apple, via overnight express.


    CPUs> are on par and often outperform Wintel machines. This too is conceded by PC mags. *shrug* So?


    One button mice> a person has to pay to "upgrade" their mouse on a PC too. To complain because Apple ships a sucky mouse with their computer is no more constructive than complaining that Dell ships a sucky mouse with their base-line system, too. Anybody can upgrade their mouse on any computer, OS notwithstanding.

    Some people actually prefer a one-button mouse. My mother, for instance, adores that wretched hockey-puck mouse. More power to her. I have upgraded my Apple with a nice ergo keyboard, nice mouse, external HD, extra-big monitor, nice HK speakers... but I can't rightly sit here and say "Apple sucks" because they didn't provide these things out of the box. No mfr. does, regardless of company, without a pay-out in some form. I just think it's only fair to critique the performance of the computer, not the stuff you choose to (or choose not to) plug into it.

    Even the one-button mouse still has plenty of functionality, simply use control-click to get your contextual menus. Although it must be said, there simply isn't as much stuff to screw up with a Mac. So many folks think they are "missing" something because they can't seem to "find" the myriad of contextual menus and back doors like they can with Win. Alas, they are missing nothing. Mac is just simpler. Easier. More streamlined.


    Finally, if your Mac isn't stable, there is a reason, just like there would be a reason if you were running Linux or Windows and there were stability issues. There is really no need for it though. If you are running OS 9, it's most likely an extension or system software issue. Trouble-shoot your extensions and/or reinstall your system software. (It's not a big deal on the latter, unlike Windows) If you are running OS X, which I suspect you are not simply go through the system logs to find the problem. Don't forget to rule out hardware issues: fragmented drive(s), improperly terminated peripherals, old drivers, failing parts, broken or loose cables, firmware issues, and the biggest of all... too little memory!

    If you are running OS 9, run, don't walk, to OS X. The difference is like night and day. :


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