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    Microsoft Owns 97% of Global OS Market

    Microsoft Owns 96.97% of Global OS Market

    OneStat.com, a provider of real-time intelligence web analytics has revealed via a press release that Microsoft's solutions are dominating the OS global market.

    Windows XP - 86.80%
    Windows 2000 - 6.09%
    Windows 98 - 2.68%
    MacIntosh - 2.32%
    Windows ME 1.09%
    Linux - 0.36%
    Windows NT - 0.24%

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    while i cant say i know better, those figures just dont look right to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethix
    while i cant say i know better, those figures just dont look right to me
    The figures didn't sound right to me either, but they did sample some 50,000 subscribers in over 100 countries. That's a pretty big sampling.

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    but who were or what were these ppl subscribed to? as that will effect the outcome, i will admitt i use Linux and i am biased(sp?) but those figures just dont look right to me

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    Adorno might be a big sample but it depends who they sampled. If they did business which I expect the numbers look right. If they did more tech savvy users I think the numbers would be a little off. I think the question they should have asked the users is what do you use for your server and see those numbers lol.

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    The # of tech savvy users versus the number of actual users is probably a smaller percentage then that.

    Quick sample of my family (Parents, Grandparents, Parents in law, Brothers, Sisters)

    14 computers. 14 windows machines - 0 linux.
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    Ahhh…. Sounds about RIGHT TO ME…

    Uh, no, not really. Anyone who has taken statistics knows to take that with a grain of salt. As others have already mentioned, it depends on whom you poll. Then again, if you visit a large tech community and poll those members, linux will show being used by a larger percentage, but would those numbers be right?

    I personally hope the numbers are not right and MS will not get lazy and wait another 5 years for a major upgrade to their OS. MS only gets in gear when competition is around.

    I think it is a very cleaver marketing ploy by OneStat.com…. My opinion anyway… take it with a grain of salt as well.
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    That means that 95% of 2 million visits to the sites using free counter from OneStat.com came from windows. Unless sites like yahoo / ebay / google / slashdot / digg use counter from OneStat there is a major gap between these stats and reality.

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    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.. pick your poison
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    The figures are wrong, simply becouse not everyone using a computer is online or browsing the internet, I don't know if anyone is using their colo or dedicated server to browes the internet, its just like sampling everyone on this forum if they ever use the internet and they get 100%.

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    Ok, lets face facts. Figures look right to me although when they say 96.97% OS MARKET they should say 96.97% DESKTOP OS MARKET. I have been into computer field since last 10 years and i have NEVER seen anyone using linux desktop as operating system here in india although we do install linux for study purpose but work on windows machines only. I have been worked with 100's of companies and all used Windows operating system. hey, one company i used to work for used novel netware way back in 1996 when people was using windows 3.1 (windows 95 was new at the time).

    Well, Microsoft is going on right track by not publishing new buggy version of windows every year. They should make windows rock soild secure and fast. I personally think most of user interface based changes made in windows xp are useless for me and i still use old style desktop (win 2k type) and themes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComplexDrive
    its just like sampling everyone on this forum if they ever use the internet and they get 100%.
    Gauging from some of the replies I see on this site, maybe 2 or 3 percent would pick either "no" or "I don't know."

    Still not 100%....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahinder
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    Well, Microsoft is going on right track by not publishing new buggy version of windows every year. They should make windows rock soild secure and fast. I personally think most of user interface based changes made in windows xp are useless for me and i still use old style desktop (win 2k type) and themes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahinder
    Ok, lets face facts. Figures look right to me although when they say 96.97% OS MARKET they should say 96.97% DESKTOP OS MARKET. I have been into computer field since last 10 years and i have NEVER seen anyone using linux desktop as operating system here in india although we do install linux for study purpose but work on windows machines only. I have been worked with 100's of companies and all used Windows operating system. hey, one company i used to work for used novel netware way back in 1996 when people was using windows 3.1 (windows 95 was new at the time).

    Well, Microsoft is going on right track by not publishing new buggy version of windows every year. They should make windows rock soild secure and fast. I personally think most of user interface based changes made in windows xp are useless for me and i still use old style desktop (win 2k type) and themes.
    i work for a large multinational as a sysadmin, and linux is the desktop os. i suspect im an exception rather than the rule though, even in our company..

    i suspect the only real gauge would be a site such as google or yahoo, who offer a service regardless of os, but are busy enough to get a large enough sample to be worth it..

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    Have these people ever heard of MOE's (Margins of Errors) in statistical studies? If this study was scientifically conducted, it should show at least 2 MOE's:

    - to the mean: that is the sampling error added to the variation of the mean. An acceptable MOE should be around +/-2.5%, 95% of the time (or 19 times out of 20).

    - to the normal bias margin. Like hekwu said, somewhere between 1 and 5% of the sample give bogus responses, or the usual DNK (I don't know), in a normal distribution.

    - to the "single unit"definition. If I have 2 computers, one on XP and the other is on Linux, what do we should count? People or computers?

    Also, the results should be weighted to the total population. In this case, subscribers to website A or website B are not representative of the whole Internet users.

    Finally, as mahindu pointed out, results should be weighted according to Desktop OS users, and not to the overall OS market.

    Which leads me to believe, according to the article above, and most importantly, according to way more scientific studies, that MS OS users would represent slightly less than 90%, probably around 85% would be more accurate.

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    Numbers look ok to me, maybe the mac should be a couple percent more, but that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzFinder
    Have these people ever heard of MOE's (Margins of Errors) in statistical studies? If this study was scientifically conducted, it should show at least 2 MOE's:

    - to the mean: that is the sampling error added to the variation of the mean. An acceptable MOE should be around +/-2.5%, 95% of the time (or 19 times out of 20).
    I don't think the tallying of subscribers' preferences was intended to be presented as a poll. It was not a "preference" fot this or that or the other. It was a direct tallying of what the users of that site actually use. A tally is not the same as a poll with margins of error.

    It's like a poll conducted before people go out to buy a computer. You may ask them what they "might be buying" based on what they've heard about certain computers. That would be a poll. After the buyers have settled on a computer and bought it, it becomes a tally of what was actually bought with no margins for error.

    Same thing with political polls. Political polls have "margins of error" because the poll is measuring a sample of people with varying opinions before actual voting. But, after the actual election, there will be an actuall tally of the vote; no margin of error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adorno
    I don't think the tallying of subscribers' preferences was intended to be presented as a poll. It was not a "preference" fot this or that or the other. It was a direct tallying of what the users of that site actually use. A tally is not the same as a poll with margins of error.
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    Not sure why everyone thinks the numbers are off. They look right to me.

    As for this post, I think you'll find that this is a growing trend. I remember hearing that the German govt opted not to use Microsoft Windows and used Linux. Not sure if that's true but it was news a couple years ago.

    I think Linux is going to come into play even more as Vista comes out because of it's ridiculous price structure.

    MS Office is going to be the same way. What really looks to be happening (in my eyes) is MS knows office is on the way out, and they're raising prices to milk whatever else they can get before they make a huge change. How esle could you justify 400.00 for Office when open source stuff does very nice work and is free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slidey
    i work for a large multinational as a sysadmin, and linux is the desktop os. i suspect im an exception rather than the rule though, even in our company..

    i suspect the only real gauge would be a site such as google or yahoo, who offer a service regardless of os, but are busy enough to get a large enough sample to be worth it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-places
    Not sure why everyone thinks the numbers are off. They look right to me.

    As for this post, I think you'll find that this is a growing trend. I remember hearing that the German govt opted not to use Microsoft Windows and used Linux. Not sure if that's true but it was news a couple years ago.

    I think Linux is going to come into play even more as Vista comes out because of it's ridiculous price structure.

    MS Office is going to be the same way. What really looks to be happening (in my eyes) is MS knows office is on the way out, and they're raising prices to milk whatever else they can get before they make a huge change. How esle could you justify 400.00 for Office when open source stuff does very nice work and is free?
    I think you better clear your eyes....

    I had an app that used openoffice... I had so many complaints about the install (not installing correctly or they did not want to install) that I switched to M$ Office... no issues since the switch.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I like Office... the new Office is very nice....

    If anyone has a play or consumers, it would be apple, and not regular linux. Unless there is a major change that lets people work the way they currently do in windows, nothing will change. What to install that app? Need windows. It is a fact that apps are the factor in OS decisions... most are stable/reliable now, so no biggie.

    Linux also needs to be made user friendly... right now it is still a "nerd toy" not ready for prime-time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hekwu
    Linux also needs to be made user friendly... right now it is still a "nerd toy" not ready for prime-time.
    i would disagree with that i have 2 8 year olds and 1 10 year old and as soon as i get off my computer they fight over who gets to use Linux.

    The only reason they dont have Linux on their own computers is i am a bit worried because their school only has Windows so i dont want them getting to used to Linux then having problems with Windows at school.

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    I'm a statistician, not a liar.

    Stats don't lie, people do. Out of a sample of 50,000 users, not a single Windows 95 user?

    Apple.com website will be skewed toward MacOS. Slashdot skewed toward linux. Microsoft.com will be skewed toward Windows.

    I would trust sites like Amazon.com more. For web analytics, I would trust the figures from webtrends or google analytics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud
    I'm a statistician, not a liar.

    Stats don't lie, people do. Out of a sample of 50,000 users, not a single Windows 95 user?
    Though the article doesn't mention Windows 95, it's possible that there were 1 or more of those users. But, probably not enough to even register as 0.01%.

    But, what browser would even work anymore with Windows 95? And what loser would still be using Windows 95? In fact, what software would still work in Windows 95 except those programs from that same era?

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    I highly doubt they'd qualify win95. it's EOL has come and gone and I can't imagine they'd be calculating the percent of usage on an O/S that isn't even supported anymore. Course, didn't they EOL 98 too?



    Quote Originally Posted by hekwu
    I think you better clear your eyes....

    I had an app that used openoffice... I had so many complaints about the install (not installing correctly or they did not want to install) that I switched to M$ Office... no issues since the switch.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I like Office... the new Office is very nice....

    If anyone has a play or consumers, it would be apple, and not regular linux. Unless there is a major change that lets people work the way they currently do in windows, nothing will change. What to install that app? Need windows. It is a fact that apps are the factor in OS decisions... most are stable/reliable now, so no biggie.

    Linux also needs to be made user friendly... right now it is still a "nerd toy" not ready for prime-time.
    Not sure how to say this nicely, so I won't bother.

    Your lack of ability to manage the installation of an application is hardly a premise to use deciding the usability of the product. Furthermore. Any company of any size doesn't just 'switch' major applications. They have network teams, and a security team, and testers, and it takes a LONG time to get a change like that 'blessed'. So my guess is it's a pretty small amount of users.

    Open office is WIDELY used, and people aren't just dumping it because they can't install it

    My point is that there should be an open mind. I use office and ONLY office and I don't like Openoffice. But I'm smart enough to know that doens't make the product bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud
    google analytics.
    My guess is they'd be just as biased as anyone else. Especially since they're developing their own free office online apps. But you're right in what you're saying I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-places
    My guess is they'd be just as biased as anyone else. Especially since they're developing their own free office online apps. But you're right in what you're saying I think
    Eh... it's google analytics as a collective. Data from thousands and thousands of sites using google analytics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adorno
    Though the article doesn't mention Windows 95, it's possible that there were 1 or more of those users. But, probably not enough to even register as 0.01%.

    But, what browser would even work anymore with Windows 95? And what loser would still be using Windows 95? In fact, what software would still work in Windows 95 except those programs from that same era?
    What loser still uses Windows NT, Windows 98, or Windows ME?

    My sample size is over 50,000. For Windows, it's ranked:

    Windows XP - 86.93%
    Windows 98
    Windows Server 2000
    Windows ME
    Windows Server 2003
    Windows NT
    Windows 95

    Windows NT and Windows 95 combine is less than 1%, but there's still people using it. Not going to give you the percentages for the rest. XP just kicks every OS's ***. My XP percentages are a little higher because that's just percentages among Windows OS. Funny though, Windows from my stats represented 97.16% of OSes. Damn, nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-places
    Your lack of ability to manage the installation of an application is hardly a premise to use deciding the usability of the product. Furthermore. Any company of any size doesn't just 'switch' major applications. They have network teams, and a security team, and testers, and it takes a LONG time to get a change like that 'blessed'. So my guess is it's a pretty small amount of users.

    Open office is WIDELY used, and people aren't just dumping it because they can't install it

    My point is that there should be an open mind. I use office and ONLY office and I don't like Openoffice. But I'm smart enough to know that doens't make the product bad.
    I do not remember saying how long the app has been out or how long it took us to switch. Nor did I indicate the size of the company. Hmm... ok...

    My guess is you took notice of the use of "I" and decided the president of a “big” company would not be on WHT posting. (In other words, you don't know the amount of users, nor did I post provide any numbers for you to make a guess.... )

    My point was that openoffice had some issues that we did not see after moving to Office. It was also a much smoother on the integration level and Office opened other features not available with openoffice.

    Personally, I have installed openoffice on many computers and never had an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud
    My sample size is over 50,000. For Windows, it's ranked:

    Windows XP - 86.93%
    Windows 98
    Windows Server 2000
    Windows ME
    Windows Server 2003
    Windows NT
    Windows 95
    I have a non-tech site (maybe a handful of tech people visit my site) with more than 50,000 and I get around the same numbers (this is aw stats... close as I can come to any real stats..):


    Windows XP 81.50%

    Windows NT 0.30%

    Windows Me 1.90%

    Windows Codename Longhorn 0%

    Windows CE 0%

    Windows 98 1.80%

    Windows 95 0%

    Windows 2003 0.20%

    Windows 2000 8.70%

    Mac OS X 2.50%

    Mac OS 0.30%
    2.30%

    Unknown 1.90%

    Linux 0.30%

    WebTV 0%

    Symbian OS 0%


    If I had a tech site, I'm sure the linux numbers would be more....
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    it is good for all windows supporters around the globe like me.

    Microsoft wins the race

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    im a unix sysadmin (as mentioned previously), but for me its a matter of horses for courses - although i use linux on my desktop and it works pretty well, i personally have windows on my desktop at home. why? because it does everything i need it to do.

    on the server its a different matter - i cant imagine why people would have a windows server, but i know theres quite a few out there so they must be good for something...

    i dont see how you can be a 'windows supporter' any more than you can be a 'linux supporter' - each tool should be assessed for the job in hand - if you dismiss anything out of hand, then you're more likely to miss out on the best solution

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    I am sure Mr. Gates and company..... would trade it all, for just a little bit more.

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    Go Microsoft!

    Linux and apple are not that popular around the world as windoz is. I have never seen anybody using linux or apple outside of the America. Where i am from all the computers are windoz.

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    I say let microsoft buy one linux flavor and after some tweaking rename it to windows server.
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    it looks like some mistake and if it is real then Mr.Bill keep it up .
    is solaris is even not at .00000001

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohamoud
    Go Microsoft!

    Linux and apple are not that popular around the world as windoz is. I have never seen anybody using linux or apple outside of the America. Where i am from all the computers are windoz.

    Are u mad ? I live in the UK And theres a lot of graphic designers who use Apple Macs

    At my college there is about 40% Apple Macs 60% Windows XP machines and Netware Servers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osteoarthitis
    it looks like some mistake and if it is real then Mr.Bill keep it up .
    is solaris is even not at .00000001
    id be surprised if solaris (and maybe aix/hpux too) dont hold quite a large % of the server/enterprise market. not necessarily at the levels that the people in here work at (small business/webhosting etc), but so many large server farms use solaris and sun sparc hardware - the mating between hardware and software is so much better than x86 that its a massive benefit to have these when things go wrong...

    coming from a linux background, solaris has continuously surprised me with how easy it is to work with, especially when things go wrong (which incidentally is less often than x86 + linux)

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspired05
    Are u mad ? I live in the UK And theres a lot of graphic designers who use Apple Macs

    At my college there is about 40% Apple Macs 60% Windows XP machines and Netware Servers.
    In my design school everyone uses 100% apple. I questioned this and apparently it's for the color accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slidey
    id be surprised if solaris (and maybe aix/hpux too) dont hold quite a large % of the server/enterprise market. not necessarily at the levels that the people in here work at (small business/webhosting etc), but so many large server farms use solaris and sun sparc hardware - the mating between hardware and software is so much better than x86 that its a massive benefit to have these when things go wrong...

    coming from a linux background, solaris has continuously surprised me with how easy it is to work with, especially when things go wrong (which incidentally is less often than x86 + linux)
    It depends on what demographic you're looking at. but if you're talking big business it's not even close. Microsoft IIS beats Apache 2 to 1 and apache is second place. so you have to go below 23% to get to number 3.

    This is regarding the top 1000 corporations. But the result is, it's not a contest at all.

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    but how many companies run webservers on every machine?

    what about the rest of the machines...?

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